CM: "success in life is a lottery. the family, money and means you are born into socioeconomic mobility in the United States is not as great as we are told to believe it's actually pretty terrible and getting worse." From an economic standpoint, sure, we agree 100%. I have this same conversation with people all the time. But I just don't happen to believe that my success and my happiness is measured by how much money or things I have. I don't begrudge anybody else who was born into privilege, any more than I'm angry or bitter that I'm cash-strapped month to month. For some reason, you have cast me as a bitter person, and yet based on your outbursts in this thread, I actually think I may be way happier than you are with what little I have in life.
"I'm a happy tree! Why should I care about the rest of the forest?"
Seriously though, income disparity creates a lot of problems in our society. Maybe look past the nose on your face.
Quit. Just quit. Dude, I work Every. Single. Day. in a Title I school where 65% of my students live below the poverty line, 90% speak Spanish as their first language, and most are recently arrived from El Salvador and Honduras, and they live in absolute squalor. In the past week alone, I have: 1. Referred a student to an actual licensed counselor who was then admitted to a residential treatment center on suicide watch 2. Counseled on my own a young girl who was molested as a younger child by her mother's boyfriend, because she doesn't want to go to a counselor 3. Comforted a girl whose father (still living in El Salvador) has had his arm cut off with a machete 4. Comforted another girl whose aunt died of cancer 5. Tutored a boy after school where the conversation changed from learning how to read English to understanding the deportation of his father who was pulled over for a DUI 6. Distributed three personally purchased $10.00 Chick-Fil-A cards to the raffle winners who earned a 70 or above on their unit test. Bought five more candy bars to bribe them next week. 7. Handed out pencils, paper, tissues, water bottles to countless kids who perpetually come to class with nothing 8. Contracted ringworm on my face in the process, for fuck's sake So quit with your g-damn preachy, "you don't know anything about income disparity, look past your own nose" bullshit. Please tell me: what exactly have you done to confront poverty this week? If you can match what I've seen three feet from my nose, then maybe you have a leg to stand on. Somehow I doubt it.
CM: "success in life is a lottery. the family, money and means you are born into socioeconomic mobility in the United States is not as great as we are told to believe it's actually pretty terrible and getting worse." From an economic standpoint, sure, we agree 100%. I have this same conversation with people all the time. But I just don't happen to believe that my success and my happiness is measured by how much money or things I have. I don't begrudge anybody else who was born into privilege, any more than I'm angry or bitter that I'm cash-strapped month to month. For some reason, you have cast me as a bitter person, and yet based on your outbursts in this thread, I actually think I may be way happier than you are with what little I have in life.
"I'm a happy tree! Why should I care about the rest of the forest?"
Seriously though, income disparity creates a lot of problems in our society. Maybe look past the nose on your face.
Quit. Just quit. Dude, I work Every. Single. Day. in a Title I school where 65% of my students live below the poverty line, 90% speak Spanish as their first language, and most are recently arrived from El Salvador and Honduras, and they live in absolute squalor. In the past week alone, I have: 1. Referred a student to an actual licensed counselor who was then admitted to a residential treatment center on suicide watch 2. Counseled on my own a young girl who was molested as a younger child by her mother's boyfriend, because she doesn't want to go to a counselor 3. Comforted a girl whose father (still living in El Salvador) has had his arm cut off with a machete 4. Comforted another girl whose aunt died of cancer 5. Tutored a boy after school where the conversation changed from learning how to read English to understanding the deportation of his father who was pulled over for a DUI 6. Distributed three personally purchased $10.00 Chick-Fil-A cards to the raffle winners who earned a 70 or above on their unit test. Bought five more candy bars to bribe them next week. 7. Handed out pencils, paper, tissues, water bottles to countless kids who perpetually come to class with nothing 8. Contracted ringworm on my face in the process, for fuck's sake So quit with your g-damn preachy, "you don't know anything about income disparity, look past your own nose" bullshit. Please tell me: what exactly have you done to confront poverty this week? If you can match what I've seen three feet from my nose, then maybe you have a leg to stand on. Somehow I doubt it.
I stand corrected
Income disparity hasn't made you angry or bitter at all
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CM: "success in life is a lottery. the family, money and means you are born into socioeconomic mobility in the United States is not as great as we are told to believe it's actually pretty terrible and getting worse." From an economic standpoint, sure, we agree 100%. I have this same conversation with people all the time. But I just don't happen to believe that my success and my happiness is measured by how much money or things I have. I don't begrudge anybody else who was born into privilege, any more than I'm angry or bitter that I'm cash-strapped month to month. For some reason, you have cast me as a bitter person, and yet based on your outbursts in this thread, I actually think I may be way happier than you are with what little I have in life.
"I'm a happy tree! Why should I care about the rest of the forest?"
Seriously though, income disparity creates a lot of problems in our society. Maybe look past the nose on your face.
Quit. Just quit. Dude, I work Every. Single. Day. in a Title I school where 65% of my students live below the poverty line, 90% speak Spanish as their first language, and most are recently arrived from El Salvador and Honduras, and they live in absolute squalor. In the past week alone, I have: 1. Referred a student to an actual licensed counselor who was then admitted to a residential treatment center on suicide watch 2. Counseled on my own a young girl who was molested as a younger child by her mother's boyfriend, because she doesn't want to go to a counselor 3. Comforted a girl whose father (still living in El Salvador) has had his arm cut off with a machete 4. Comforted another girl whose aunt died of cancer 5. Tutored a boy after school where the conversation changed from learning how to read English to understanding the deportation of his father who was pulled over for a DUI 6. Distributed three personally purchased $10.00 Chick-Fil-A cards to the raffle winners who earned a 70 or above on their unit test. Bought five more candy bars to bribe them next week. 7. Handed out pencils, paper, tissues, water bottles to countless kids who perpetually come to class with nothing 8. Contracted ringworm on my face in the process, for fuck's sake So quit with your g-damn preachy, "you don't know anything about income disparity, look past your own nose" bullshit. Please tell me: what exactly have you done to confront poverty this week? If you can match what I've seen three feet from my nose, then maybe you have a leg to stand on. Somehow I doubt it.
I stand corrected
Income disparity hasn't made you angry or bitter at all
Yeah, that's all you've got. Another shot at me. That's what I thought.
CM: "success in life is a lottery. the family, money and means you are born into socioeconomic mobility in the United States is not as great as we are told to believe it's actually pretty terrible and getting worse." From an economic standpoint, sure, we agree 100%. I have this same conversation with people all the time. But I just don't happen to believe that my success and my happiness is measured by how much money or things I have. I don't begrudge anybody else who was born into privilege, any more than I'm angry or bitter that I'm cash-strapped month to month. For some reason, you have cast me as a bitter person, and yet based on your outbursts in this thread, I actually think I may be way happier than you are with what little I have in life.
"I'm a happy tree! Why should I care about the rest of the forest?"
Seriously though, income disparity creates a lot of problems in our society. Maybe look past the nose on your face.
Is everyone the same intelligence?
Is everyone the same artistically?
i could go on but you still wouldn’t get it. You don’t get that just spreading wealth around not only never ever has worked ever in a place called reality but that it is a killer to the economy. Nobody is afraid of socialist BS. We are just amazed people are so fucking stupid to think that it will actually work when it never has. Ever.
Some institutions do a thing called AIS (I think) loans where the student signs up for 8% of their income for 8-9 years. After that if anything is left it is forgiven. That is so ething I could get on board with.
what dreamsstatic:"I would also like to add my theory on the cry babies that don’t want others to have free or low cost education. It is because they are butt hurt they had to pay for theirs and think it would be unfair for others to have the benefit of a free education that they didn’t." No, not true at all in my case. Over the almost 30 years it took me to pay off my loans, my student loan was the only bill I ever paid that I didn't mind paying. I've hated rent payments, car payment, you name the payment -- I hated it. But I have never once regretted a single dime I spent on my education. I believe I said that clearly in telling my story above. My objection to free college tuition has nothing to do with me personally. It's because it singles out a group of people who will experience a tremendous economic advantage/benefit when they are done. Instead of making college free for an elite group, we would do better to make living in general more affordable. Affordable housing. Public transportation networks that people can actually use. A sustainable and affordable food supply. I'm not even against a wealth tax, or a billionaire tax, estate tax, capital gain tax, or any other kind of tax that brings in revenue for the public welfare --
When was it ever discussed only to provide free education for an elite group. Isn’t the whole argument, free education at public schools and universities For All? I’m still not quite following why you are against this concept, is it free trade schools/university in general or just that you think the money and effort for this type of project would take away from something else? Like I said I worked 3 jobs and took out loans just to go to trade school. That is ridiculous. I think it would be great if people could get through their educational years without worrying about tuition.
CM: "success in life is a lottery. the family, money and means you are born into socioeconomic mobility in the United States is not as great as we are told to believe it's actually pretty terrible and getting worse." From an economic standpoint, sure, we agree 100%. I have this same conversation with people all the time. But I just don't happen to believe that my success and my happiness is measured by how much money or things I have. I don't begrudge anybody else who was born into privilege, any more than I'm angry or bitter that I'm cash-strapped month to month. For some reason, you have cast me as a bitter person, and yet based on your outbursts in this thread, I actually think I may be way happier than you are with what little I have in life.
"I'm a happy tree! Why should I care about the rest of the forest?"
Seriously though, income disparity creates a lot of problems in our society. Maybe look past the nose on your face.
Quit. Just quit. Dude, I work Every. Single. Day. in a Title I school where 65% of my students live below the poverty line, 90% speak Spanish as their first language, and most are recently arrived from El Salvador and Honduras, and they live in absolute squalor. In the past week alone, I have: 1. Referred a student to an actual licensed counselor who was then admitted to a residential treatment center on suicide watch 2. Counseled on my own a young girl who was molested as a younger child by her mother's boyfriend, because she doesn't want to go to a counselor 3. Comforted a girl whose father (still living in El Salvador) has had his arm cut off with a machete 4. Comforted another girl whose aunt died of cancer 5. Tutored a boy after school where the conversation changed from learning how to read English to understanding the deportation of his father who was pulled over for a DUI 6. Distributed three personally purchased $10.00 Chick-Fil-A cards to the raffle winners who earned a 70 or above on their unit test. Bought five more candy bars to bribe them next week. 7. Handed out pencils, paper, tissues, water bottles to countless kids who perpetually come to class with nothing 8. Contracted ringworm on my face in the process, for fuck's sake So quit with your g-damn preachy, "you don't know anything about income disparity, look past your own nose" bullshit. Please tell me: what exactly have you done to confront poverty this week? If you can match what I've seen three feet from my nose, then maybe you have a leg to stand on. Somehow I doubt it.
I stand corrected
Income disparity hasn't made you angry or bitter at all
Yeah, that's all you've got. Another shot at me. That's what I thought.
You sound overworked and underpaid
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CM: "success in life is a lottery. the family, money and means you are born into socioeconomic mobility in the United States is not as great as we are told to believe it's actually pretty terrible and getting worse." From an economic standpoint, sure, we agree 100%. I have this same conversation with people all the time. But I just don't happen to believe that my success and my happiness is measured by how much money or things I have. I don't begrudge anybody else who was born into privilege, any more than I'm angry or bitter that I'm cash-strapped month to month. For some reason, you have cast me as a bitter person, and yet based on your outbursts in this thread, I actually think I may be way happier than you are with what little I have in life.
"I'm a happy tree! Why should I care about the rest of the forest?"
Seriously though, income disparity creates a lot of problems in our society. Maybe look past the nose on your face.
Is everyone the same intelligence?
Is everyone the same artistically?
i could go on but you still wouldn’t get it. You don’t get that just spreading wealth around not only never ever has worked ever in a place called reality but that it is a killer to the economy. Nobody is afraid of socialist BS. We are just amazed people are so fucking stupid to think that it will actually work when it never has. Ever.
Some institutions do a thing called AIS (I think) loans where the student signs up for 8% of their income for 8-9 years. After that if anything is left it is forgiven. That is so ething I could get on board with.
No but everyone should be afforded the opportunities.
There's a whole population of people out there who haven't been able to live up to their potential.
It's not an efficient allocation of resources. And our country is falling behind because of it.
But apparently there is a shortage of ditch diggers that I am unaware of.
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Someone explains, quite civilly, their stances.
Response? Potshot.
Rinse a fuckload, repeat.
So much for the sharing and processing of ideas with some semblance of an open mind.
So much for the sharing and processing of ideas with some semblance of an open mind.
Oh don't worry about me, I'll get over it
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CM: "success in life is a lottery. the family, money and means you are born into socioeconomic mobility in the United States is not as great as we are told to believe it's actually pretty terrible and getting worse." From an economic standpoint, sure, we agree 100%. I have this same conversation with people all the time. But I just don't happen to believe that my success and my happiness is measured by how much money or things I have. I don't begrudge anybody else who was born into privilege, any more than I'm angry or bitter that I'm cash-strapped month to month. For some reason, you have cast me as a bitter person, and yet based on your outbursts in this thread, I actually think I may be way happier than you are with what little I have in life.
"I'm a happy tree! Why should I care about the rest of the forest?"
Seriously though, income disparity creates a lot of problems in our society. Maybe look past the nose on your face.
Is everyone the same intelligence?
Is everyone the same artistically?
i could go on but you still wouldn’t get it. You don’t get that just spreading wealth around not only never ever has worked ever in a place called reality but that it is a killer to the economy. Nobody is afraid of socialist BS. We are just amazed people are so fucking stupid to think that it will actually work when it never has. Ever.
Some institutions do a thing called AIS (I think) loans where the student signs up for 8% of their income for 8-9 years. After that if anything is left it is forgiven. That is so ething I could get on board with.
No but everyone should be afforded the opportunities.
There's a whole population of people out there who haven't been able to live up to their potential.
It's not an efficient allocation of resources. And our country is falling behind because of it.
But apparently there is a shortage of ditch diggers that I am unaware of.
Not living up to potential is just not free college. It is the family or lack thereof guiding a child, the public school they go to, economic advantage which is not strictly rich. Lower income kids have more opportunity for scholarships, etc than a middle class kid. The middle class feels the squeeze quite a bit.
There are programs like ABC which I contribute to and was a board member of in a city I used to live in. That is great program lifting kids out of poverty that need an opportunity. On our city over 90% graduated college. But it is more than free as the kids have deliverables. These type of programs should be expanded on to help low income kids get a chance. Because often they just don’t know how because of family situation.
The falling behind is being based more on testing teaching rather than actually teaching. As well as schools losing their way in how to prepare kids for life rather that worry about social this and that which won’t get you a paycheck. Need a better balance. It took a generation or two of bad guidance to fuck it up.....not going to happen overnight.
Student loan issues are far different now than in the 80s.
Exactly.
Yes -- interest rates are higher. Tuition is completely out of control. Fix that. Then come back and talk to me. Maybe I'll stop reading after the first sentence.
Interest rates were 8% back in 88. Much higher than now. So....I am here to talk to you about whatever it is you wanted to talk about. Like how my tuition was lower but my starting salary was 1/3 of what yours probably is now in the same profession.
Tired of hearing how ‘hard’ you have it quite honestly. I was poor with nothing and made a bit of a life. But then I didn’t ask for free shit, I worked hard, did my job well, and made connections.
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1. Referred a student to an actual licensed counselor who was then admitted to a residential treatment center on suicide watch
2. Counseled on my own a young girl who was molested as a younger child by her mother's boyfriend, because she doesn't want to go to a counselor
3. Comforted a girl whose father (still living in El Salvador) has had his arm cut off with a machete
4. Comforted another girl whose aunt died of cancer
5. Tutored a boy after school where the conversation changed from learning how to read English to understanding the deportation of his father who was pulled over for a DUI
6. Distributed three personally purchased $10.00 Chick-Fil-A cards to the raffle winners who earned a 70 or above on their unit test. Bought five more candy bars to bribe them next week.
7. Handed out pencils, paper, tissues, water bottles to countless kids who perpetually come to class with nothing
8. Contracted ringworm on my face in the process, for fuck's sake
So quit with your g-damn preachy, "you don't know anything about income disparity, look past your own nose" bullshit. Please tell me: what exactly have you done to confront poverty this week? If you can match what I've seen three feet from my nose, then maybe you have a leg to stand on. Somehow I doubt it.
Income disparity hasn't made you angry or bitter at all
Is everyone the same artistically?
i could go on but you still wouldn’t get it. You don’t get that just spreading wealth around not only never ever has worked ever in a place called reality but that it is a killer to the economy. Nobody is afraid of socialist BS. We are just amazed people are so fucking stupid to think that it will actually work when it never has. Ever.
ething I could get on board with.
Lots Lots Lots of shows.....
2018 - Seattle 2/Missoula
There are no kings inside the gates of eden
There's a whole population of people out there who haven't been able to live up to their potential.
It's not an efficient allocation of resources. And our country is falling behind because of it.
But apparently there is a shortage of ditch diggers that I am unaware of.
Response? Potshot.
Rinse a fuckload, repeat.
So much for the sharing and processing of ideas with some semblance of an open mind.
Lots Lots Lots of shows.....
2018 - Seattle 2/Missoula