No Free Speech on American College Campuses

dmaradona10

Glad I went to college in the 1990s where there was a diversity of viewpoints and opinions.  Speakers with controversial viewpoints were a common occurrence as well. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNEyUsDprPY

Ledbetterman10

This has become all too common. Rather than disagreeing with the "controversial speaker" (it's usually just some ho-hum conservative like the woman in the video you posted), or holding a counter-event, they try to block the speaker from even speaking. 

gimmesometruth27

i turned it off as soon as john stossel started talking. 

so you are upset your conservative rabble rouser kent state gun girl got run off of the campus. cry me a river. 

Ledbetterman10

gimmesometruth27 said:

i turned it off as soon as john stossel started talking. 

There was no way this was not going to be a response in this thread. 

gimmesometruth27

do we really have to re-hash that "people are free to speak but they are also free to suffer consequences of that speech" again?

Spiritual_Chaos

HughFreakingDillon

funny how the trumpsters cheer when their leader forcibly removes someone from his rallies because they are shouting something he doesn't like, all the while spouting disappointment at not being allowed to beat the shit out of them, yet they get all snowflakey about not being able to speak on college campuses. 

shadowcast

gimmesometruth27 said:

do we really have to re-hash that "people are free to speak but they are also free to suffer consequences of that speech" again?Like ANIFA consequences like beat the living shit out of you? 

CM189191

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HughFreakingDillon

CM189191 said:

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the amount of people using "free speech" as their shield, while simultaneously not understanding what it means, is ASTOUNDING

CM189191

HughFreakingDillon said:

CM189191 said:

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the amount of people using "free speech" as their shield, while simultaneously not understanding what it means, is ASTOUNDING

I imagine the venn diagram would overlap significantly with those who don't understand what well-regulated means, too

josevolution

Like this doesn’t happen on the other side! Both sides do it get over it this is the divided America created by yrs of partisanship..and the number one instigator is the orange Baffoon!

lindamarie73

dmaradona10 said:

Glad I went to college in the 1990s where there was a diversity of viewpoints and opinions.  Speakers with controversial viewpoints were a common occurrence as well. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNEyUsDprPY

You can say that again about going to college in the 90’s....That clip was spot on about most college campuses, thanks 4 sharing it.   I spend way too much time around these rotten brain college nit wits who all seem to feel they are oppressed or owed something.  They are all on the Bernie “free shit” train so at least they are doing their part in Keeping America Great.  

lindamarie73

lindamarie73 said:

dmaradona10 said:

Glad I went to college in the 1990s where there was a diversity of viewpoints and opinions.  Speakers with controversial viewpoints were a common occurrence as well. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNEyUsDprPY

You can say that again about going to college in the 90’s....That clip was spot on about most college campuses, thanks 4 sharing it.   I spend way too much time around these rotten brain college nit wits who all seem to feel they are oppressed or owed something.  They are all on the Bernie “free shit” train so at least they are doing their part in Keeping America Great.  

what dreams

gimmesometruth27 said:

i turned it off as soon as john stossel started talking. 

so you are upset your conservative rabble rouser kent state gun girl got run off of the campus. cry me a river. 

I think it's really unfortunate that you wouldn't even give yourself the opportunity  to play it through and consider an alternative point of view. The professor being interviewed -- I've read one of her books several years ago when the country was reeling over the Baltimore riot. I don't necessarily agree that she should subtitle her campus talk "Why Police Are the Real Victims" (she's just asking for push-back with a title like that, in my view), but she does make a good point that people living in crime ridden neighborhoods deserve to be protected and live free from fear in their own homes. I also agree with her in this video that our current generation of young people do suffer from a victim-hood syndrome -- these kids, she says, live incredibly privileged lives on campuses with everything at their fingertips and somehow think of themselves as "oppressed" when they are among the most fortunate people who have ever lived in human history. I agree with those points. I don't think they are particularly difficult ideas to agree with. I'm pretty sick of the elite slice of this current generation coming up with their sense of entitlement, in general. I understand there are some hard-working young people out there, and 2/3 of high school grads don't go to college and have the luxury of protesting a speaker they don't agree with. Two-thirds of high school grads will never have what these young elites will have when they finish their degree that they don't want to pay for.  It really is disturbing, in my view, their obliviousness to their own privilege while they point figures at everyone else about their "oppression."  That's what I call "cry me a river."

Smellyman

Stossel is a nutter and has well earned rep over decades to ignore.

what dreams

And this ^^^^ is why I wonder how people expect this democracy to survive. You're basically making the argument easy for "the nutters" to win. When you dismiss people instead of attacking the argument, you lose.  When you refuse to show up with the power of your ideas, you lose. Don't turn Stossel, et. al., off. Confront them face on and actually win an argument. 

rgambs

what dreams said:

And this ^^^^ is why I wonder how people expect this democracy to survive. You're basically making the argument easy for "the nutters" to win. When you dismiss people instead of attacking the argument, you lose.  When you refuse to show up with the power of your ideas, you lose. Don't turn Stossel, et. al., off. Confront them face on and actually win an argument. 

It's not worth the effort.  You don't argue with crazy/stupid, crazy/stupid doesn't lose.
Does the force of argument matter to flat earthers, birthers, or orange girthers?
Nope.

Spiritual_Chaos

lindamarie73 said:

dmaradona10 said:

Glad I went to college in the 1990s where there was a diversity of viewpoints and opinions.  Speakers with controversial viewpoints were a common occurrence as well. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNEyUsDprPY

You can say that again about going to college in the 90’s....That clip was spot on about most college campuses, thanks 4 sharing it.   I spend way too much time around these rotten brain college nit wits who all seem to feel they are oppressed or owed something.  They are all on the Bernie “free shit” train so at least they are doing their part in Keep America Great.  

Is anyone of them signal boosting made up bullshit that Greta Thunberg is part of ANTIFA ?

CM189191

rgambs said:

what dreams said:

And this ^^^^ is why I wonder how people expect this democracy to survive. You're basically making the argument easy for "the nutters" to win. When you dismiss people instead of attacking the argument, you lose.  When you refuse to show up with the power of your ideas, you lose. Don't turn Stossel, et. al., off. Confront them face on and actually win an argument. 

It's not worth the effort.  You don't argue with crazy/stupid, crazy/stupid doesn't lose.
Does the force of argument matter to flat earthers, birthers, or orange girthers?
Nope.

^this

gimmesometruth27

what dreams said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

i turned it off as soon as john stossel started talking. 

so you are upset your conservative rabble rouser kent state gun girl got run off of the campus. cry me a river. 

I think it's really unfortunate that you wouldn't even give yourself the opportunity  to play it through and consider an alternative point of view. The professor being interviewed -- I've read one of her books several years ago when the country was reeling over the Baltimore riot. I don't necessarily agree that she should subtitle her campus talk "Why Police Are the Real Victims" (she's just asking for push-back with a title like that, in my view), but she does make a good point that people living in crime ridden neighborhoods deserve to be protected and live free from fear in their own homes. I also agree with her in this video that our current generation of young people do suffer from a victim-hood syndrome -- these kids, she says, live incredibly privileged lives on campuses with everything at their fingertips and somehow think of themselves as "oppressed" when they are among the most fortunate people who have ever lived in human history. I agree with those points. I don't think they are particularly difficult ideas to agree with. I'm pretty sick of the elite slice of this current generation coming up with their sense of entitlement, in general. I understand there are some hard-working young people out there, and 2/3 of high school grads don't go to college and have the luxury of protesting a speaker they don't agree with. Two-thirds of high school grads will never have what these young elites will have when they finish their degree that they don't want to pay for.  It really is disturbing, in my view, their obliviousness to their own privilege while they point figures at everyone else about their "oppression."  That's what I call "cry me a river."

no, i think it is pretty fortunate that i turned if off. thanks though.