The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,236
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    what dreams said:
    JimmyV said:
    Democrats ran an old, white, straight woman in 2016 and lost. They are now going to run an old(er), straight, white man in 2020. Both are the clear choice of the most moderate elements of the party. Maybe the result will be different this time. I really hope it will. But we have been here before. 
    No. We have not been here before.

    We weren't electing Clinton after a Trump. We were electing Clinton after an Obama, where everyone either got lazy/apathetic (didn't vote), or they got insatiable for more than what Obama accomplished (supported Bernie), or they felt so much antipathy toward Clinton that they voted for Trump in the general.

    Clinton didn't lose to Trump because she was a horrible candidate. She lost because not enough people could imagine how horrible a Trump presidency would be, even with all the evidence right in front of them. I don't think the voters will allow it to happen again. That's why they are drifting to Biden, and that's why turnout is way up. They know they can't stay home (turnout), they know gluttony leads to disease (Sanders losses), and they know Joe Biden is basically a good guy, notwithstanding his sniffs and hugs and dentures and all that either makes us laugh or groan.

    Nah, she was pretty horrible as a candidate.

    Saying the other guy is unqualified is a horrible campaign strategy. At a minimum its offensive to voters as its their main job to figure out who is qualified.

    Never went WI? 

    Even when she went to swing states it was in deep blue areas like Philly?

    "Dont tell us how to run a campaign. We are winning."

    Dukakis level bad.
    Most qualified presidential candidate ever.
    Lol

    Prove me wrong
    George H Bush (we've had this conversation before)
    Comparatively, not more though, I would argue.  I also assume you mean HW.  

    The only thing Hillary is really missing on her resume is military experience.  HW had it, although not as a senior officer.  Ike had a good resume too. HIllary has Senator, SOS and an active first lady is pretty impressive.  
    He wasn't a senior officer but he was in charge of the CIA. 
    Yes and ambassador to the UN, and congressman.  I don’t know that it’s possible to say “most” or more but there’s no doubt that aHillary was highly qualified.  And considering she was sec of state during the H1N1 outbreak, she’d be doing better than Trump is at this point and certainly would have engaged with the WHO and Germany to get test kits 45 days ago.
    Highly qualified?  absolutely.  The most qualified ever?  Incorrect.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,674
    The US need to rid themselves of the perception that their leader needs to have a military background.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,008
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    The US need to rid themselves of the perception that their leader needs to have a military background.
    No president since Bush 1 has had real military experience so I’m not sure that thought exists. However being Supreme Leader of the Allied Forces is pretty impressive and a uniquely high pressure and important job.  I feel confident I will not be able to put that on my Linked profile.
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927


  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,233
    When has being a qualified candidate ever had anything to do with electability?
    Scio me nihil scire

    There are no kings inside the gates of eden
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,008
    static111 said:
    When has being a qualified candidate ever had anything to do with electability?
    Likewise, electability is no harbinger of competence.  We're seeing that first hand as this administration stumbles through the only crisis he has faced that wasn't completely of his own manufacturing.  
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,236
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    When has being a qualified candidate ever had anything to do with electability?
    Likewise, electability is no harbinger of competence.  We're seeing that first hand as this administration stumbles through the only crisis he has faced that wasn't completely of his own manufacturing.  
    I've read that this could be his Hurricane katrina.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,218
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    When has being a qualified candidate ever had anything to do with electability?
    Likewise, electability is no harbinger of competence.  We're seeing that first hand as this administration stumbles through the only crisis he has faced that wasn't completely of his own manufacturing.  
    I've read that this could be his Hurricane katrina.
    Maria comes to mind specially Puerto Rico!

    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,008
    josevolution said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    When has being a qualified candidate ever had anything to do with electability?
    Likewise, electability is no harbinger of competence.  We're seeing that first hand as this administration stumbles through the only crisis he has faced that wasn't completely of his own manufacturing.  
    I've read that this could be his Hurricane katrina.
    Maria comes to mind specially Puerto Rico!

    It should, but Trump knew that Puerto Rican struggles would not be covered the same way as coverage on disasters in the mainland.  He took great care to play up and overdo it in FL, TX and other places that have had issues.  
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,351
    grocery shopping at my go to spot. Use the bathroom before shopping.  on the inside of the door was a small Bernie 2020 sticker.


    Couple thoughts...

    Umm who is really going to be influenced by something in the bathroom?

    second, its placement near the toilet seemed appropriate.

    finally, it reminds me of those religious tracts left in similar places. I always throw those away, because its lazy imo leaving that around believing someone will come to jesus that way.

    _____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________

    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,351
    Kamala endorsed Biden..
    _____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________

    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,692
    mickeyrat said:
    Kamala endorsed Biden..
    Is that more or less persuasive than the bathroom sticker?
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,351
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Kamala endorsed Biden..
    Is that more or less persuasive than the bathroom sticker?
    depends on if stickerbro washed his hands after but before placing the sticker
    _____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________

    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,692
    mickeyrat said:
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Kamala endorsed Biden..
    Is that more or less persuasive than the bathroom sticker?
    depends on if stickerbro washed his hands after but before placing the sticker
    Berniebronavirus on that thing for sure
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,351
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Kamala endorsed Biden..
    Is that more or less persuasive than the bathroom sticker?
    depends on if stickerbro washed his hands after but before placing the sticker
    Berniebronavirus on that thing for sure
    which is why I left it. ...
    _____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________

    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,813
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Kamala endorsed Biden..
    Is that more or less persuasive than the bathroom sticker?
    depends on if stickerbro washed his hands after but before placing the sticker
    Berniebronavirus on that thing for sure

    I'd rather have Berniebrovirus than Thrumpronavirus any day.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,692
    brianlux said:
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Kamala endorsed Biden..
    Is that more or less persuasive than the bathroom sticker?
    depends on if stickerbro washed his hands after but before placing the sticker
    Berniebronavirus on that thing for sure

    I'd rather have Berniebrovirus than Thrumpronavirus any day.
    All I'm saying is let's keep our hands off all bathroom stickers, political or otherwise. 

    Unless it happens to be a rare PJ sticker, in which case you only live once.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,008
    pjl44 said:
    brianlux said:
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Kamala endorsed Biden..
    Is that more or less persuasive than the bathroom sticker?
    depends on if stickerbro washed his hands after but before placing the sticker
    Berniebronavirus on that thing for sure

    I'd rather have Berniebrovirus than Thrumpronavirus any day.
    All I'm saying is let's keep our hands off all bathroom stickers, political or otherwise. 

    Unless it happens to be a rare PJ sticker, in which case you only live once.
    Someone traded me their Faile Chicago 16 subway poster (which went quickly) for a Raleigh 16 sticker.  Never understood it, but I was happy since 10C sent two to any ticket holder that asked. 
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,813
    pjl44 said:
    brianlux said:
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Kamala endorsed Biden..
    Is that more or less persuasive than the bathroom sticker?
    depends on if stickerbro washed his hands after but before placing the sticker
    Berniebronavirus on that thing for sure

    I'd rather have Berniebrovirus than Thrumpronavirus any day.
    All I'm saying is let's keep our hands off all bathroom stickers, political or otherwise. 

    Unless it happens to be a rare PJ sticker, in which case you only live once.

    If it's on ANY bathroom wall other than my own, no matter what it is, I ain't touchin' it!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 8,537
    mrussel1 said:
    josevolution said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    When has being a qualified candidate ever had anything to do with electability?
    Likewise, electability is no harbinger of competence.  We're seeing that first hand as this administration stumbles through the only crisis he has faced that wasn't completely of his own manufacturing.  
    I've read that this could be his Hurricane katrina.
    Maria comes to mind specially Puerto Rico!

    It should, but Trump knew that Puerto Rican struggles would not be covered the same way as coverage on disasters in the mainland.  He took great care to play up and overdo it in FL, TX and other places that have had issues.  

    As far as "worst candidate" I should specify I'm referring to ability to run an effective campaign.  Trump, as someone with no official political experience, was a much more effective campaigner. 
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