The Democratic Presidential Debates

JimmyV said:

Lerxst1992 said:

JimmyV said:

Sad. She was the best choice and would have taken Trump apart on the mythical debate stage. Now it will just be two (too?) old men yelling at each other and very easy for people to pretend they are same. 

I am very thankful voters and poll respondents and Massachusetts residents responded to her in the way that they did. I'll stop there as today is not the day to pile on.

You can pile on. If you guys are wrong about Biden I will never, ever let you forget it, so fair is fair.

Wrong about what?

CM189191 said:

sounds about right....

JimmyV said:

mrussel1 said:

JimmyV said:

Lerxst1992 said:

JimmyV said:

Sad. She was the best choice and would have taken Trump apart on the mythical debate stage. Now it will just be two (too?) old men yelling at each other and very easy for people to pretend they are same. 

I am very thankful voters and poll respondents and Massachusetts residents responded to her in the way that they did. I'll stop there as today is not the day to pile on.

You can pile on. If you guys are wrong about Biden I will never, ever let you forget it, so fair is fair.

Wrong about what?

That he is the best option to beat Trump, that what happened after South Carolina was good, that the Party isn't making a mistake, etc. 

Losing to Trump in the fall doesn't mean Sanders would win.  At the end of the day, you count the votes and the primary voices matter.  We now have empirical evidence that the youth did not turn out for Sanders but the middle and older voters did.  That's been the case for decades and no reason to think that would change in the fall either.  While losing in Nov scares the crap out of me, the real nightmare would be to lose the House with it.  And I think that is very REAL danger that Sanders poses.  

This was on Hannity so take it with a grain of salt, but he said that Trump (running unopposed) got more votes in the Texas republican primary on Tuesday than Sanders, Biden, and Warren got combined in the democratic primary in Texas. And I've seen some other good numbers for Trump in the pre-Super Tuesday primaries. Seems to be a lot of enthusiasm for Republican voters to get out vote for him.

mrussel1 said:

JimmyV said:

mrussel1 said:

JimmyV said:

mrussel1 said:

JimmyV said:

Lerxst1992 said:

JimmyV said:

Sad. She was the best choice and would have taken Trump apart on the mythical debate stage. Now it will just be two (too?) old men yelling at each other and very easy for people to pretend they are same. 

I am very thankful voters and poll respondents and Massachusetts residents responded to her in the way that they did. I'll stop there as today is not the day to pile on.

You can pile on. If you guys are wrong about Biden I will never, ever let you forget it, so fair is fair.

Wrong about what?

That he is the best option to beat Trump, that what happened after South Carolina was good, that the Party isn't making a mistake, etc. 

Losing to Trump in the fall doesn't mean Sanders would win.  At the end of the day, you count the votes and the primary voices matter.  We now have empirical evidence that the youth did not turn out for Sanders but the middle and older voters did.  That's been the case for decades and no reason to think that would change in the fall either.  While losing in Nov scares the crap out of me, the real nightmare would be to lose the House with it.  And I think that is very REAL danger that Sanders poses.  

I'm not a Sanders guy. My exchange with Lerx was about Warren. 

Fair, but I don't think Biden was standing in the way of Warren.  She lost to him.  The other candidates lost to Biden.  It's astonishing that she came in third in MA, and Biden won.  It really shows where the party truly is.  

more to the point it shows where the party isnt....

Ledbetterman10 said:

This was on Hannity so take it with a grain of salt, but he said that Trump (running unopposed) got more votes in the Texas republican primary on Tuesday than Sanders, Biden, and Warren got combined in the democratic primary in Texas. And I've seen some other good numbers for Trump in the pre-Super Tuesday primaries. Seems to be a lot of enthusiasm for Republican voters to get out vote for him.

He's going to get 63 million votes, same as 2016. Fox News will spend the next 8 months destroying Biden and the vast majority of Republicans will pull the lever for Trump.

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

This was on Hannity so take it with a grain of salt, but he said that Trump (running unopposed) got more votes in the Texas republican primary on Tuesday than Sanders, Biden, and Warren got combined in the democratic primary in Texas. And I've seen some other good numbers for Trump in the pre-Super Tuesday primaries. Seems to be a lot of enthusiasm for Republican voters to get out vote for him.

I saw this talking point as well.. but it conveniently leaves out that Bloomberg finished 3rd, not Warren.  If you add up all the D's, they exceed 2MM whereas Trump is 1.8MM.  I believe there were other issues on the ballot as well.  Either way, I don't think D's win TX so it's not particularly meaningful.  It's just a R talking point.   

I noticed it leaves Bloomberg out purposely in order to make the point they're trying to make. And call it a republican talking-point if you want, but I didn't perceive it like that. What's the point of Hannity bringing it up? To pat Republican voters on the back for voting in an unopposed primary? Or to praise Trump? Knowing Hannity, those probably ARE the reasons to bring it up so it's reasonable for you to dismiss it as a republican talking point. But I still find it to be an interesting factoid that's worth being aware of. At least for me.

It's to show the Republican audience that R voters are just as/more enthusiastic than D's.  I saw a similar stat yesterday talking about Colorado, but only counting the top three.  When you counted all the candidates, the D vote was almost double. Remember, it's literally propaganda television. 

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

This was on Hannity so take it with a grain of salt, but he said that Trump (running unopposed) got more votes in the Texas republican primary on Tuesday than Sanders, Biden, and Warren got combined in the democratic primary in Texas. And I've seen some other good numbers for Trump in the pre-Super Tuesday primaries. Seems to be a lot of enthusiasm for Republican voters to get out vote for him.

I saw this talking point as well.. but it conveniently leaves out that Bloomberg finished 3rd, not Warren.  If you add up all the D's, they exceed 2MM whereas Trump is 1.8MM.  I believe there were other issues on the ballot as well.  Either way, I don't think D's win TX so it's not particularly meaningful.  It's just a R talking point.   

I noticed it leaves Bloomberg out purposely in order to make the point they're trying to make. And call it a republican talking-point if you want, but I didn't perceive it like that. What's the point of Hannity bringing it up? To pat Republican voters on the back for voting in an unopposed primary? Or to praise Trump? Knowing Hannity, those probably ARE the reasons to bring it up so it's reasonable for you to dismiss it as a republican talking point. But I still find it to be an interesting factoid that's worth being aware of. At least for me.

It's to show the Republican audience that R voters are just as/more enthusiastic than D's.  I saw a similar stat yesterday talking about Colorado, but only counting the top three.  When you counted all the candidates, the D vote was almost double. Remember, it's literally propaganda television. 

Well I think it's a given that the D's should have way more votes overall because their primary is a hotly contested. But I still think Trump getting that many votes unopposed is "something." And maybe I'm just a simpleton that's tricked by propaganda television, but the R's DO seem more enthusiastic than the D's. From voting in uncontested primaries to attending Trump's Orwellian rallies. For whatever reason, they love that guy. I don't see much love from Dems for Biden. His great Super Tuesday came off (to me anyway) as the electorate saying "Well, I guess we'll go with Biden." And I'm the same way. "Whatever, I'll vote for Biden in November."

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

This was on Hannity so take it with a grain of salt, but he said that Trump (running unopposed) got more votes in the Texas republican primary on Tuesday than Sanders, Biden, and Warren got combined in the democratic primary in Texas. And I've seen some other good numbers for Trump in the pre-Super Tuesday primaries. Seems to be a lot of enthusiasm for Republican voters to get out vote for him.

I saw this talking point as well.. but it conveniently leaves out that Bloomberg finished 3rd, not Warren.  If you add up all the D's, they exceed 2MM whereas Trump is 1.8MM.  I believe there were other issues on the ballot as well.  Either way, I don't think D's win TX so it's not particularly meaningful.  It's just a R talking point.   

I noticed it leaves Bloomberg out purposely in order to make the point they're trying to make. And call it a republican talking-point if you want, but I didn't perceive it like that. What's the point of Hannity bringing it up? To pat Republican voters on the back for voting in an unopposed primary? Or to praise Trump? Knowing Hannity, those probably ARE the reasons to bring it up so it's reasonable for you to dismiss it as a republican talking point. But I still find it to be an interesting factoid that's worth being aware of. At least for me.

It's to show the Republican audience that R voters are just as/more enthusiastic than D's.  I saw a similar stat yesterday talking about Colorado, but only counting the top three.  When you counted all the candidates, the D vote was almost double. Remember, it's literally propaganda television. 

Well I think it's a given that the D's should have way more votes overall because there's is a contested primary. But I still think Trump getting that many votes unopposed is "something." And maybe I'm just a simpleton that's tricked by propaganda television, but the R's DO seem more enthusiastic than the D's. From voting in uncontested primaries to attending Trump's Orwellian rallies. For whatever reason, they love that guy. I don't see much love from Dems for Biden. His great Super Tuesday came off (to me anyway) as the electorate saying "Well, I guess we'll go with Biden." And I'm the same way. "Whatever, I'll vote for Biden in November."

One needs to look at the midterms from 18 for a guide on enthusiasm.  

Biden = referendum on Trump
Sanders = referendum on socialistic policies

I know what I want the election to be about.  

Good point on the ‘18 midterms. But I think Biden needs more than “Trump’s awful, I’ll be better than Trump.” Not that I disagree with that notion. But that seemed to be the main point of Hillary’s campaign. 

Kat said:

Now, if we can encourage the 7,804,213 voters who voted 3rd party and are in swing states to join in to remove soul-eater from office, it'll be a really good day. More people voted against soul-eater than voted for him and I don't feel like he's gained new voters.

"According to the independent, non-partisan Cook Political Report, Clinton’s final tally came in at 65,844,610, compared to Donald Trump’s 62,979,636, with a difference of 2,864,974. The total number of votes for other candidates was 7,804,213."

Agree totally with the bolded, Kat. 63 million is his ceiling.