The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    i can't wait till nov when that orange bitch and all his idiot supporters start crying endlessly about a conspiracy to get him out of office. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    My guess is Biden is having a pretty good day at the fundraising office, with or without Bloomberg. 
    Probably. And couple that WITH Bloomberg's contributions and Trump should just start packing his things now. It's over. 
    Assuming a “free and fair” election. Get ready for Putin on the ritz to make a push, the repub senate to gin up the investigation machine, Team Trump Treason to stand on the White House lawn, pull a piece of paper out of his jacket pocket, wave it around and claim that He has direct evidence that Biden took billions from the Ukraine and charges will be filed by CYA Barr soon and the republican establishment in red states to suppress voters by closing polling places and having too few machines, resulting in long waits, in majority dem and minority voting districts and wards. Team Trump Treason and Putin on the ritz will steal this election. Watch.
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    My guess is Biden is having a pretty good day at the fundraising office, with or without Bloomberg. 
    Probably. And couple that WITH Bloomberg's contributions and Trump should just start packing his things now. It's over. 
    Assuming a “free and fair” election. Get ready for Putin on the ritz to make a push, the repub senate to gin up the investigation machine, Team Trump Treason to stand on the White House lawn, pull a piece of paper out of his jacket pocket, wave it around and claim that He has direct evidence that Biden took billions from the Ukraine and charges will be filed by CYA Barr soon and the republican establishment in red states to suppress voters by closing polling places and having too few machines, resulting in long waits, in majority dem and minority voting districts and wards. Team Trump Treason and Putin on the ritz will steal this election. Watch.
    I wasn't being serious. I don't think Bloomberg's billions guarantee Biden anything. I still think Triple-T is the favorite to win. But I like the direction Biden is trending in for sure. 
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  • mrussel1
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    My guess is Biden is having a pretty good day at the fundraising office, with or without Bloomberg. 
    Probably. And couple that WITH Bloomberg's contributions and Trump should just start packing his things now. It's over. 
    Assuming a “free and fair” election. Get ready for Putin on the ritz to make a push, the repub senate to gin up the investigation machine, Team Trump Treason to stand on the White House lawn, pull a piece of paper out of his jacket pocket, wave it around and claim that He has direct evidence that Biden took billions from the Ukraine and charges will be filed by CYA Barr soon and the republican establishment in red states to suppress voters by closing polling places and having too few machines, resulting in long waits, in majority dem and minority voting districts and wards. Team Trump Treason and Putin on the ritz will steal this election. Watch.
    Ron Johnson of WI is already trying to subpoena someone from Burisma.  The senate will do the dirty work on the 'investigation' to try and tar Biden.  I've always said the benefit of the impeachment was to make the general public aware of the Trump campaign to damage Biden.  At least now the Democrats can keep pointing to that as a defense of Biden.  
    BTW - I loved the speech last night from Joe.  I thought he killed it.  We need much more of that, and with the field clearing, I'm hopeful that the narrative and coverage will change. 
  • dankind
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    My guess is Biden is having a pretty good day at the fundraising office, with or without Bloomberg. 
    Probably. And couple that WITH Bloomberg's contributions and Trump should just start packing his things now. It's over. 
    Assuming a “free and fair” election. Get ready for Putin on the ritz to make a push, the repub senate to gin up the investigation machine, Team Trump Treason to stand on the White House lawn, pull a piece of paper out of his jacket pocket, wave it around and claim that He has direct evidence that Biden took billions from the Ukraine and charges will be filed by CYA Barr soon and the republican establishment in red states to suppress voters by closing polling places and having too few machines, resulting in long waits, in majority dem and minority voting districts and wards. Team Trump Treason and Putin on the ritz will steal this election. Watch.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    My guess is Biden is having a pretty good day at the fundraising office, with or without Bloomberg. 
    Probably. And couple that WITH Bloomberg's contributions and Trump should just start packing his things now. It's over. 
    Assuming a “free and fair” election. Get ready for Putin on the ritz to make a push, the repub senate to gin up the investigation machine, Team Trump Treason to stand on the White House lawn, pull a piece of paper out of his jacket pocket, wave it around and claim that He has direct evidence that Biden took billions from the Ukraine and charges will be filed by CYA Barr soon and the republican establishment in red states to suppress voters by closing polling places and having too few machines, resulting in long waits, in majority dem and minority voting districts and wards. Team Trump Treason and Putin on the ritz will steal this election. Watch.
    I wasn't being serious. I don't think Bloomberg's billions guarantee Biden anything. I still think Triple-T is the favorite to win. But I like the direction Biden is trending in for sure. 
    In a “free and fair” election or in the scenario I described?
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    CM189191 said:

    Haha
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  • Lerxst1992
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    F Me In The Brain said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    if it works, it wasn't a waste. 
    Hes not done spending. He has promised to keep his offices open to organize the dump trump effort. Something that the challenger party is usually not able to do.

    That's an enormous distinction from past elections fighting a wealthy incumbent 

    And his message is a pro moderate message. Exactly what is needed to bake trump.

    Did he promise that today, or previous to his ducking out on the campaign?
    Only ask this because he also promised he would not quit even if he had a bad day on Tuesday.


    (I am glad he quit and I hope he spends money fighting Trump...just think it is worth asking to understand if he really will do  it.)

    Nobody saw this coming as recent as friday.

    On Saturday night I saw the signs but Biden still had 3 moderates to fight off.

    Then on sunday, obama moved oceans for the party.


    Back to Bloomberg 

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/bloomberg-fund-sizable-campaign-effort-through-november-even-if-he-n1113421

    Thanks - so he made that commitment in January.
    Hope he keeps it, takes some nastiness to fight nastiness.  (And, to fight Russia)

    He mentioned it as recently as last week. He is really a democrat. The only reason he switched was the NYC dems wouldn't allow him to run for mayor.
  • Lerxst1992
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    My guess is Biden is having a pretty good day at the fundraising office, with or without Bloomberg. 
    Probably. And couple that WITH Bloomberg's contributions and Trump should just start packing his things now. It's over. 
    Assuming a “free and fair” election. Get ready for Putin on the ritz to make a push, the repub senate to gin up the investigation machine, Team Trump Treason to stand on the White House lawn, pull a piece of paper out of his jacket pocket, wave it around and claim that He has direct evidence that Biden took billions from the Ukraine and charges will be filed by CYA Barr soon and the republican establishment in red states to suppress voters by closing polling places and having too few machines, resulting in long waits, in majority dem and minority voting districts and wards. Team Trump Treason and Putin on the ritz will steal this election. Watch.
    I wasn't being serious. I don't think Bloomberg's billions guarantee Biden anything. I still think Triple-T is the favorite to win. But I like the direction Biden is trending in for sure. 

    I'm going to keep hammering away at it.

    The base turned out in Obama style numbers. To vote Biden. I believe in all the states that have enough demographic base voters to influence a democratic primary.
  • Lerxst1992
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    if it works, it wasn't a waste. 
    I'm not saying his throwing money behind the cause of getting rid of Trump is a waste. His actual campaign for president was. In fact, I think he'd have been better off bankrolling Biden from the get-go, keeping a low public profile, and then emerging as Biden's running-mate. 

    The way Biden came back from the dead, literally and figuratively, is the perfect comeback kid story for the fall.

    Biden took down Bernie with no "on the ground" resources and no TV ads.

    I dont think we have ever seen a Lazarus story like this one.

    He energized the base and the party saw what happened in SC and rallied to be at his side.
  • Ledbetterman10
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    My guess is Biden is having a pretty good day at the fundraising office, with or without Bloomberg. 
    Probably. And couple that WITH Bloomberg's contributions and Trump should just start packing his things now. It's over. 
    Assuming a “free and fair” election. Get ready for Putin on the ritz to make a push, the repub senate to gin up the investigation machine, Team Trump Treason to stand on the White House lawn, pull a piece of paper out of his jacket pocket, wave it around and claim that He has direct evidence that Biden took billions from the Ukraine and charges will be filed by CYA Barr soon and the republican establishment in red states to suppress voters by closing polling places and having too few machines, resulting in long waits, in majority dem and minority voting districts and wards. Team Trump Treason and Putin on the ritz will steal this election. Watch.
    I wasn't being serious. I don't think Bloomberg's billions guarantee Biden anything. I still think Triple-T is the favorite to win. But I like the direction Biden is trending in for sure. 
    In a “free and fair” election or in the scenario I described?
    Both...for now. Certainly I like Biden's chances against Sanders much more now than I did a week ago though. But I still think he's a somewhat weak candidate. I understand that Obamas (exciting candidates) don't just grow on trees. But in this, the most important election ever (or so I've been told), the election that will rid us of the diabolical Team Trump Treason, it's unfortunate that the Dems have to settle on Biden, who first ran for President THIRTY years ago. 

    But on the other hand, good for Biden. He's put in his time in that Democratic Party. And all these years later, he's still standing. I respect that. And he has my vote. So go get 'em, Joe. 
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  • Lerxst1992
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    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:

    Haha... yeah, so now Bernie loves Obama.  Isn't that convenient.  Oh wait, Sanders never waivers right?  

    Here's something that will shock no one on the boards.. old people vote, young people don't. 

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/04/politics/youth-vote-sanders-biden-super-tuesday/index.html

    That is why the base and moderates were 100% skeptical of bernie all along.

    There's been alot of chatter that the millenial vote was down. It was in percentage but not in raw vote totals. The reason the percentage was down? Vanna?

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  • mrussel1
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    Lerxst1992 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    if it works, it wasn't a waste. 
    I'm not saying his throwing money behind the cause of getting rid of Trump is a waste. His actual campaign for president was. In fact, I think he'd have been better off bankrolling Biden from the get-go, keeping a low public profile, and then emerging as Biden's running-mate. 

    The way Biden came back from the dead, literally and figuratively, is the perfect comeback kid story for the fall.

    Biden took down Bernie with no "on the ground" resources and no TV ads.

    I dont think we have ever seen a Lazarus story like this one.

    He energized the base and the party saw what happened in SC and rallied to be at his side.
    It's really amazing.. there's no parallel in modern political history.  Now he has to close the deal.  
  • Ledbetterman10
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    Lerxst1992 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:

    Haha... yeah, so now Bernie loves Obama.  Isn't that convenient.  Oh wait, Sanders never waivers right?  

    Here's something that will shock no one on the boards.. old people vote, young people don't. 

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/04/politics/youth-vote-sanders-biden-super-tuesday/index.html

    That is why the base and moderates were 100% skeptical of bernie all along.

    There's been alot of chatter that the millenial vote was down. It was in percentage but not in raw vote totals. The reason the percentage was down? Vanna?

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mrussel1 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    if it works, it wasn't a waste. 
    I'm not saying his throwing money behind the cause of getting rid of Trump is a waste. His actual campaign for president was. In fact, I think he'd have been better off bankrolling Biden from the get-go, keeping a low public profile, and then emerging as Biden's running-mate. 

    The way Biden came back from the dead, literally and figuratively, is the perfect comeback kid story for the fall.

    Biden took down Bernie with no "on the ground" resources and no TV ads.

    I dont think we have ever seen a Lazarus story like this one.

    He energized the base and the party saw what happened in SC and rallied to be at his side.
    It's really amazing.. there's no parallel in modern political history.  Now he has to close the deal.  
    Bill Clinton is the original “come back kid” during the primary and then against an opponent from the opposing party who enjoyed  90%+ approval rating.
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  • Lerxst1992
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    mrussel1 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    if it works, it wasn't a waste. 
    I'm not saying his throwing money behind the cause of getting rid of Trump is a waste. His actual campaign for president was. In fact, I think he'd have been better off bankrolling Biden from the get-go, keeping a low public profile, and then emerging as Biden's running-mate. 

    The way Biden came back from the dead, literally and figuratively, is the perfect comeback kid story for the fall.

    Biden took down Bernie with no "on the ground" resources and no TV ads.

    I dont think we have ever seen a Lazarus story like this one.

    He energized the base and the party saw what happened in SC and rallied to be at his side.
    It's really amazing.. there's no parallel in modern political history.  Now he has to close the deal.  

    I think those a little skeptical should look at Texas. 

    If my math is correct, tx turnout, with votes still to be counted, was up 520,000 - almost  TRIPLE Ted Cruz' margin of victory in 2018. ( well more than double for sure)

    If I were on team trump treason, I'd pay attention to that.

    Yesterday,  out of freaking nowhere, was a historic day for Democrats. 
  • mrussel1
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    if it works, it wasn't a waste. 
    I'm not saying his throwing money behind the cause of getting rid of Trump is a waste. His actual campaign for president was. In fact, I think he'd have been better off bankrolling Biden from the get-go, keeping a low public profile, and then emerging as Biden's running-mate. 

    The way Biden came back from the dead, literally and figuratively, is the perfect comeback kid story for the fall.

    Biden took down Bernie with no "on the ground" resources and no TV ads.

    I dont think we have ever seen a Lazarus story like this one.

    He energized the base and the party saw what happened in SC and rallied to be at his side.
    It's really amazing.. there's no parallel in modern political history.  Now he has to close the deal.  
    Bill Clinton is the original “come back kid” during the primary and then against an opponent from the opposing party who enjoyed  90%+ approval rating.
    He was the original, you're right, but I don't think he came back from such poor showings in the first rounds.  He was battling all sorts of personal demons of course... such was life with WJC.
  • Jason P
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    Bloomberg wanted to be POTUS.  He isn't going to be a chump piggybank for anyone.
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  • ikiT
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    if it works, it wasn't a waste. 
    I'm not saying his throwing money behind the cause of getting rid of Trump is a waste. His actual campaign for president was. In fact, I think he'd have been better off bankrolling Biden from the get-go, keeping a low public profile, and then emerging as Biden's running-mate. 
    Reread the article. He got in when Biden was faltering and a lot of us thought he might be done. I don't blame him for throwing his hat in the ring. His best case scenario didn't work out. Next best is still removing Trump. Don't think the hundreds of millions he has spent in advertising didn't have an effect on people realizing that beating Trump is the most important factor this year either. Look how much that moved the needle in a short time. Then extract that over the next 8 months. 

    Bloomberg at this point is still one of the most important people in this race.
    I think you, Bloomberg, and every other devoted Democrat has made it loud and clear that beating Trump is the most important factor this year. And of course you don't blame him for throwing his hat in the ring. As you said, when Biden looked to be floundering, Bloomberg was your supposed savior. Basically it was a coordinated Democrat effort that 538 feels was a good idea. So OF COURSE you're going to be into it, Juggler. The only thing that would make it even more up your ally is if the Philly Phanatic was one of Bloomberg's advisors. 

    I agree he's still important in all this. Certainly more important than Warren who's "still in the race." And likely more important than Sanders following the convention. I just think Biden wasn't faltering as much as people think. Yeah he struggled in early states, but as he himself said, wait until South Carolina. And he was right. So Bloomberg sweeping in as a plan B to save the day might not have even been necessary. Just start bankrolling Biden the moment you feel he's struggling (maybe after New Hampshire). All of Bloomberg's money and experience doesn't mean a whole lot when he lacks a base of support, a personality, and an ability to connect with people outside of NYC, which are three things that Biden has going for him. 

    If the Dems (Warren and Pete in particular) had a lot of democratic voters convinced that Bloomberg was trying to buy the election, Trump will surly get that talking-point (that he's now trying to buy it for Biden) over with his crowd, and maybe with undecided voters as well. I dunno, I just think he'd have been better off behind the scenes of all this. 


    Gritty would be preferable. 


    Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 06132018
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    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    Joe spent ZERO DOLLARS in Virginia.

    I felt a tangible paradigm shift Monday night during the Amy/Beto endorsement rally.  


    Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 06132018
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