The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,643

    :-)

    When I saw the great state of VA get put in Bidens column right at 7, I had a strong feeling Bernie was on the ropes.

    Then the hundreds of thousands of additional voters who did not show up in 2016... to stop Sanders? 

    The campaign has been a battle between the base and the millenials as we know. One group wants some sort of Euro fantasy utopia.  The other wants to beat trump. Period.No socialist American fantasies. Like I've been saying to Chaos for months.  Is he off today?

    SC was a huge hint that the base is energized. We can only hope Shelby v. Holder isnt strong  enough to stop the entire base from voting in PA MI & WI this November 

    I believe we are seeing the absence of an anti-Hillary vote
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,380
    if it works, it wasn't a waste. 
    Hes not done spending. He has promised to keep his offices open to organize the dump trump effort. Something that the challenger party is usually not able to do.

    That's an enormous distinction from past elections fighting a wealthy incumbent 

    And his message is a pro moderate message. Exactly what is needed to bake trump.
  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,502
    I believe we are seeing the absence of an anti-Hillary vote
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  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,706
    Hes not done spending. He has promised to keep his offices open to organize the dump trump effort. Something that the challenger party is usually not able to do.

    That's an enormous distinction from past elections fighting a wealthy incumbent 

    And his message is a pro moderate message. Exactly what is needed to bake trump.

    Did he promise that today, or previous to his ducking out on the campaign?
    Only ask this because he also promised he would not quit even if he had a bad day on Tuesday.


    (I am glad he quit and I hope he spends money fighting Trump...just think it is worth asking to understand if he really will do  it.)
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,380
    dignin said:
    Not to mention she was a lot of voters second choice according to polls.

    Its all moot now 

    Those second choice polls looked like Politics 101.

    The media never learns.

    4 words that put Biden in the drivers seat:

    Turn out the base.
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,380
    A short video I'd like to dedicate to Team Bernie, in support of party unity 

    http://youtu.be/_Xlkla4Jrbk
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,380

    Did he promise that today, or previous to his ducking out on the campaign?
    Only ask this because he also promised he would not quit even if he had a bad day on Tuesday.


    (I am glad he quit and I hope he spends money fighting Trump...just think it is worth asking to understand if he really will do  it.)

    Nobody saw this coming as recent as friday.

    On Saturday night I saw the signs but Biden still had 3 moderates to fight off.

    Then on sunday, obama moved oceans for the party.


    Back to Bloomberg 

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/bloomberg-fund-sizable-campaign-effort-through-november-even-if-he-n1113421
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,706

    Nobody saw this coming as recent as friday.

    On Saturday night I saw the signs but Biden still had 3 moderates to fight off.

    Then on sunday, obama moved oceans for the party.


    Back to Bloomberg 

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/bloomberg-fund-sizable-campaign-effort-through-november-even-if-he-n1113421

    Thanks - so he made that commitment in January.
    Hope he keeps it, takes some nastiness to fight nastiness.  (And, to fight Russia)
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,964
    if it works, it wasn't a waste. 
    I'm not saying his throwing money behind the cause of getting rid of Trump is a waste. His actual campaign for president was. In fact, I think he'd have been better off bankrolling Biden from the get-go, keeping a low public profile, and then emerging as Biden's running-mate. 
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  • ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    A short video I'd like to dedicate to Team Bernie, in support of party unity 

    http://youtu.be/_Xlkla4Jrbk
    word the efff up

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  • ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    Stop yelling at me and coalesce into a fighting unit already.   

    I still need a Balto GA ticket.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,577
    So in summation, he wasted millions of dollars but he's so rich that it's no big deal that he did. And he might spend over a billion dollars between his pathetic campaign and backing Biden to TRY and get Trump out of the Oval Office. Got ya. 
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,577
    I believe we are seeing the absence of an anti-Hillary vote
    YES
    YES
    YES

    A million times yes. Joe Biden is NOT Hillary 2.0. 
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,577
    edited March 2020
    I'm not saying his throwing money behind the cause of getting rid of Trump is a waste. His actual campaign for president was. In fact, I think he'd have been better off bankrolling Biden from the get-go, keeping a low public profile, and then emerging as Biden's running-mate. 
    Reread the article. He got in when Biden was faltering and a lot of us thought he might be done. I don't blame him for throwing his hat in the ring. His best case scenario didn't work out. Next best is still removing Trump. Don't think the hundreds of millions he has spent in advertising didn't have an effect on people realizing that beating Trump is the most important factor this year either. Look how much that moved the needle in a short time. Then extract that over the next 8 months. 

    Bloomberg at this point is still one of the most important people in this race.
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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    JimmyV said:
    It is partly due to my location and my circle, no doubt, but I know at least a dozen women who are devastated by Warren's showing yesterday.

  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,597
    CM189191 said:
    Haha... yeah, so now Bernie loves Obama.  Isn't that convenient.  Oh wait, Sanders never waivers right?  

    Here's something that will shock no one on the boards.. old people vote, young people don't. 

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/04/politics/youth-vote-sanders-biden-super-tuesday/index.html
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,964
    edited March 2020
    Reread the article. He got in when Biden was faltering and a lot of us thought he might be done. I don't blame him for throwing his hat in the ring. His best case scenario didn't work out. Next best is still removing Trump. Don't think the hundreds of millions he has spent in advertising didn't have an effect on people realizing that beating Trump is the most important factor this year either. Look how much that moved the needle in a short time. Then extract that over the next 8 months. 

    Bloomberg at this point is still one of the most important people in this race.
    I think you, Bloomberg, and every other devoted Democrat has made it loud and clear that beating Trump is the most important factor this year. And of course you don't blame him for throwing his hat in the ring. As you said, when Biden looked to be floundering, Bloomberg was your supposed savior. Basically it was a coordinated Democrat effort that 538 feels was a good idea. So OF COURSE you're going to be into it, Juggler. The only thing that would make it even more up your ally is if the Philly Phanatic was one of Bloomberg's advisors. 

    I agree he's still important in all this. Certainly more important than Warren who's "still in the race." And likely more important than Sanders following the convention. I just think Biden wasn't faltering as much as people think. Yeah he struggled in early states, but as he himself said, wait until South Carolina. And he was right. So Bloomberg sweeping in as a plan B to save the day might not have even been necessary. Just start bankrolling Biden the moment you feel he's struggling (maybe after New Hampshire). All of Bloomberg's money and experience doesn't mean a whole lot when he lacks a base of support, a personality, and an ability to connect with people outside of NYC, which are three things that Biden has going for him. 

    If the Dems (Warren and Pete in particular) had a lot of democratic voters convinced that Bloomberg was trying to buy the election, Trump will surly get that talking-point (that he's now trying to buy it for Biden) over with his crowd, and maybe with undecided voters as well. I dunno, I just think he'd have been better off behind the scenes of all this. 


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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,597
    My guess is Biden is having a pretty good day at the fundraising office, with or without Bloomberg. 
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,964
    mrussel1 said:
    My guess is Biden is having a pretty good day at the fundraising office, with or without Bloomberg. 
    Probably. And couple that WITH Bloomberg's contributions and Trump should just start packing his things now. It's over. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,135
    i can't wait till nov when that orange bitch and all his idiot supporters start crying endlessly about a conspiracy to get him out of office. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,944
    Probably. And couple that WITH Bloomberg's contributions and Trump should just start packing his things now. It's over. 
    Assuming a “free and fair” election. Get ready for Putin on the ritz to make a push, the repub senate to gin up the investigation machine, Team Trump Treason to stand on the White House lawn, pull a piece of paper out of his jacket pocket, wave it around and claim that He has direct evidence that Biden took billions from the Ukraine and charges will be filed by CYA Barr soon and the republican establishment in red states to suppress voters by closing polling places and having too few machines, resulting in long waits, in majority dem and minority voting districts and wards. Team Trump Treason and Putin on the ritz will steal this election. Watch.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,964
    Assuming a “free and fair” election. Get ready for Putin on the ritz to make a push, the repub senate to gin up the investigation machine, Team Trump Treason to stand on the White House lawn, pull a piece of paper out of his jacket pocket, wave it around and claim that He has direct evidence that Biden took billions from the Ukraine and charges will be filed by CYA Barr soon and the republican establishment in red states to suppress voters by closing polling places and having too few machines, resulting in long waits, in majority dem and minority voting districts and wards. Team Trump Treason and Putin on the ritz will steal this election. Watch.
    I wasn't being serious. I don't think Bloomberg's billions guarantee Biden anything. I still think Triple-T is the favorite to win. But I like the direction Biden is trending in for sure. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,597
    Assuming a “free and fair” election. Get ready for Putin on the ritz to make a push, the repub senate to gin up the investigation machine, Team Trump Treason to stand on the White House lawn, pull a piece of paper out of his jacket pocket, wave it around and claim that He has direct evidence that Biden took billions from the Ukraine and charges will be filed by CYA Barr soon and the republican establishment in red states to suppress voters by closing polling places and having too few machines, resulting in long waits, in majority dem and minority voting districts and wards. Team Trump Treason and Putin on the ritz will steal this election. Watch.
    Ron Johnson of WI is already trying to subpoena someone from Burisma.  The senate will do the dirty work on the 'investigation' to try and tar Biden.  I've always said the benefit of the impeachment was to make the general public aware of the Trump campaign to damage Biden.  At least now the Democrats can keep pointing to that as a defense of Biden.  
    BTW - I loved the speech last night from Joe.  I thought he killed it.  We need much more of that, and with the field clearing, I'm hopeful that the narrative and coverage will change. 
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    Assuming a “free and fair” election. Get ready for Putin on the ritz to make a push, the repub senate to gin up the investigation machine, Team Trump Treason to stand on the White House lawn, pull a piece of paper out of his jacket pocket, wave it around and claim that He has direct evidence that Biden took billions from the Ukraine and charges will be filed by CYA Barr soon and the republican establishment in red states to suppress voters by closing polling places and having too few machines, resulting in long waits, in majority dem and minority voting districts and wards. Team Trump Treason and Putin on the ritz will steal this election. Watch.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,944
    I wasn't being serious. I don't think Bloomberg's billions guarantee Biden anything. I still think Triple-T is the favorite to win. But I like the direction Biden is trending in for sure. 
    In a “free and fair” election or in the scenario I described?
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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,380

    Thanks - so he made that commitment in January.
    Hope he keeps it, takes some nastiness to fight nastiness.  (And, to fight Russia)

    He mentioned it as recently as last week. He is really a democrat. The only reason he switched was the NYC dems wouldn't allow him to run for mayor.
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,380
    I wasn't being serious. I don't think Bloomberg's billions guarantee Biden anything. I still think Triple-T is the favorite to win. But I like the direction Biden is trending in for sure. 

    I'm going to keep hammering away at it.

    The base turned out in Obama style numbers. To vote Biden. I believe in all the states that have enough demographic base voters to influence a democratic primary.
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,380
    I'm not saying his throwing money behind the cause of getting rid of Trump is a waste. His actual campaign for president was. In fact, I think he'd have been better off bankrolling Biden from the get-go, keeping a low public profile, and then emerging as Biden's running-mate. 

    The way Biden came back from the dead, literally and figuratively, is the perfect comeback kid story for the fall.

    Biden took down Bernie with no "on the ground" resources and no TV ads.

    I dont think we have ever seen a Lazarus story like this one.

    He energized the base and the party saw what happened in SC and rallied to be at his side.
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