No Free Speech on American College Campuses

Glad I went to college in the 1990s where there was a diversity of viewpoints and opinions.  Speakers with controversial viewpoints were a common occurrence as well. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNEyUsDprPY
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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    This has become all too common. Rather than disagreeing with the "controversial speaker" (it's usually just some ho-hum conservative like the woman in the video you posted), or holding a counter-event, they try to block the speaker from even speaking. 
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1

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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,068
    i turned it off as soon as john stossel started talking. 

    so you are upset your conservative rabble rouser kent state gun girl got run off of the campus. cry me a river. 


    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    edited March 2020
    i turned it off as soon as john stossel started talking. 
    There was no way this was not going to be a response in this thread. 
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,068
    do we really have to re-hash that "people are free to speak but they are also free to suffer consequences of that speech" again?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    funny how the trumpsters cheer when their leader forcibly removes someone from his rallies because they are shouting something he doesn't like, all the while spouting disappointment at not being allowed to beat the shit out of them, yet they get all snowflakey about not being able to speak on college campuses. 
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  • shadowcast
    shadowcast Posts: 2,336
    do we really have to re-hash that "people are free to speak but they are also free to suffer consequences of that speech" again?Like ANIFA consequences like beat the living shit out of you? 
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    obligatory


    Free Speech
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    CM189191 said:
    obligatory


    Free Speech
    the amount of people using "free speech" as their shield, while simultaneously not understanding what it means, is ASTOUNDING
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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    CM189191 said:
    obligatory


    Free Speech
    the amount of people using "free speech" as their shield, while simultaneously not understanding what it means, is ASTOUNDING


    I imagine the venn diagram would overlap significantly with those who don't understand what well-regulated means, too
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,589
    Like this doesn’t happen on the other side! Both sides do it get over it this is the divided America created by yrs of partisanship..and the number one instigator is the orange Baffoon!
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  • lindamarie73
    lindamarie73 Posts: 491
    edited March 2020
    Glad I went to college in the 1990s where there was a diversity of viewpoints and opinions.  Speakers with controversial viewpoints were a common occurrence as well. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNEyUsDprPY
    You can say that again about going to college in the 90’s....That clip was spot on about most college campuses, thanks 4 sharing it.   I spend way too much time around these rotten brain college nit wits who all seem to feel they are oppressed or owed something.  They are all on the Bernie “free shit” train so at least they are doing their part in Keeping America Great.  
    Post edited by lindamarie73 on
  • Glad I went to college in the 1990s where there was a diversity of viewpoints and opinions.  Speakers with controversial viewpoints were a common occurrence as well. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNEyUsDprPY
    You can say that again about going to college in the 90’s....That clip was spot on about most college campuses, thanks 4 sharing it.   I spend way too much time around these rotten brain college nit wits who all seem to feel they are oppressed or owed something.  They are all on the Bernie “free shit” train so at least they are doing their part in Keeping America Great.  

  • what dreams
    what dreams Posts: 1,761
    i turned it off as soon as john stossel started talking. 

    so you are upset your conservative rabble rouser kent state gun girl got run off of the campus. cry me a river. 


    I think it's really unfortunate that you wouldn't even give yourself the opportunity  to play it through and consider an alternative point of view. The professor being interviewed -- I've read one of her books several years ago when the country was reeling over the Baltimore riot. I don't necessarily agree that she should subtitle her campus talk "Why Police Are the Real Victims" (she's just asking for push-back with a title like that, in my view), but she does make a good point that people living in crime ridden neighborhoods deserve to be protected and live free from fear in their own homes. I also agree with her in this video that our current generation of young people do suffer from a victim-hood syndrome -- these kids, she says, live incredibly privileged lives on campuses with everything at their fingertips and somehow think of themselves as "oppressed" when they are among the most fortunate people who have ever lived in human history. I agree with those points. I don't think they are particularly difficult ideas to agree with. I'm pretty sick of the elite slice of this current generation coming up with their sense of entitlement, in general. I understand there are some hard-working young people out there, and 2/3 of high school grads don't go to college and have the luxury of protesting a speaker they don't agree with. Two-thirds of high school grads will never have what these young elites will have when they finish their degree that they don't want to pay for.  It really is disturbing, in my view, their obliviousness to their own privilege while they point figures at everyone else about their "oppression."  That's what I call "cry me a river."

  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    Stossel is a nutter and has well earned rep over decades to ignore.
  • what dreams
    what dreams Posts: 1,761
    And this ^^^^ is why I wonder how people expect this democracy to survive. You're basically making the argument easy for "the nutters" to win. When you dismiss people instead of attacking the argument, you lose.  When you refuse to show up with the power of your ideas, you lose. Don't turn Stossel, et. al., off. Confront them face on and actually win an argument. 

  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    And this ^^^^ is why I wonder how people expect this democracy to survive. You're basically making the argument easy for "the nutters" to win. When you dismiss people instead of attacking the argument, you lose.  When you refuse to show up with the power of your ideas, you lose. Don't turn Stossel, et. al., off. Confront them face on and actually win an argument. 

    It's not worth the effort.  You don't argue with crazy/stupid, crazy/stupid doesn't lose.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    Glad I went to college in the 1990s where there was a diversity of viewpoints and opinions.  Speakers with controversial viewpoints were a common occurrence as well. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNEyUsDprPY
    You can say that again about going to college in the 90’s....That clip was spot on about most college campuses, thanks 4 sharing it.   I spend way too much time around these rotten brain college nit wits who all seem to feel they are oppressed or owed something.  They are all on the Bernie “free shit” train so at least they are doing their part in Keep America Great.  
    Is anyone of them signal boosting made up bullshit that Greta Thunberg is part of ANTIFA ?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    rgambs said:
    And this ^^^^ is why I wonder how people expect this democracy to survive. You're basically making the argument easy for "the nutters" to win. When you dismiss people instead of attacking the argument, you lose.  When you refuse to show up with the power of your ideas, you lose. Don't turn Stossel, et. al., off. Confront them face on and actually win an argument. 

    It's not worth the effort.  You don't argue with crazy/stupid, crazy/stupid doesn't lose.
    Does the force of argument matter to flat earthers, birthers, or orange girthers?
    Nope.
    ^this

  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,068
    i turned it off as soon as john stossel started talking. 

    so you are upset your conservative rabble rouser kent state gun girl got run off of the campus. cry me a river. 


    I think it's really unfortunate that you wouldn't even give yourself the opportunity  to play it through and consider an alternative point of view. The professor being interviewed -- I've read one of her books several years ago when the country was reeling over the Baltimore riot. I don't necessarily agree that she should subtitle her campus talk "Why Police Are the Real Victims" (she's just asking for push-back with a title like that, in my view), but she does make a good point that people living in crime ridden neighborhoods deserve to be protected and live free from fear in their own homes. I also agree with her in this video that our current generation of young people do suffer from a victim-hood syndrome -- these kids, she says, live incredibly privileged lives on campuses with everything at their fingertips and somehow think of themselves as "oppressed" when they are among the most fortunate people who have ever lived in human history. I agree with those points. I don't think they are particularly difficult ideas to agree with. I'm pretty sick of the elite slice of this current generation coming up with their sense of entitlement, in general. I understand there are some hard-working young people out there, and 2/3 of high school grads don't go to college and have the luxury of protesting a speaker they don't agree with. Two-thirds of high school grads will never have what these young elites will have when they finish their degree that they don't want to pay for.  It really is disturbing, in my view, their obliviousness to their own privilege while they point figures at everyone else about their "oppression."  That's what I call "cry me a river."

    no, i think it is pretty fortunate that i turned if off. thanks though.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."