The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    cincybearcat said:
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    https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/09/us/nypd-bronx-shooting/index.html

    Wonder what good old Mr Davis JR has to say about this. We talk about how words matter with trump. I wonder if words matter when others constantly harp on racism within the police force as a whole.
    Why the fuck would it matter what a city-councilperson in South Bend, Indiana thinks about a shooting in the Bronx?
    The the fuck does it matter what you say about anything? Or what a Swede says about the Us election? What a weird comment to make.
    I have good ears--heard a dog whistle. 
  • what dreams
    what dreams Posts: 1,761
    Two articles from Blue Virginia, a widely read blog in a still purple state. Even though Democrats took over the entire state legislator in 2019 with "Black-Face" Northam still in office (a major accomplishment in this state, believe me it's huge), it is still a tremendously fragile claim on power. Over-reach could be detrimental if Democrats are not careful in their first legislative session, which has yet to wrap up.

    This article stops one-sentence short of a Sanders endorsement, in my view, and it's surprising in this state.   https://bluevirginia.us/2020/02/stop-asking-who-can-beat-trump

    This article reports on Bloomberg's mobilization in the state. https://bluevirginia.us/2020/01/bloomberg-campaign-announces-virginia-leadership-team
    Bloomberg has been advertising heavily in the Northern Virginia area (and I would imagine in other Democratic areas of the state). A friend of mine asked me about Bloomberg last week, and I told her to be cautious. We are both teachers, and his record on education in NYC is abysmal. We are finally making gains against the tyranny of corporate interests inherent in NCLB (now called ESSA). Bloomberg will not be a friend of public education anywhere.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    what dreams said:
    Two articles from Blue Virginia, a widely read blog in a still purple state. Even though Democrats took over the entire state legislator in 2019 with "Black-Face" Northam still in office (a major accomplishment in this state, believe me it's huge), it is still a tremendously fragile claim on power. Over-reach could be detrimental if Democrats are not careful in their first legislative session, which has yet to wrap up.

    This article stops one-sentence short of a Sanders endorsement, in my view, and it's surprising in this state.   https://bluevirginia.us/2020/02/stop-asking-who-can-beat-trump

    This article reports on Bloomberg's mobilization in the state. https://bluevirginia.us/2020/01/bloomberg-campaign-announces-virginia-leadership-team
    Bloomberg has been advertising heavily in the Northern Virginia area (and I would imagine in other Democratic areas of the state). A friend of mine asked me about Bloomberg last week, and I told her to be cautious. We are both teachers, and his record on education in NYC is abysmal. We are finally making gains against the tyranny of corporate interests inherent in NCLB (now called ESSA). Bloomberg will not be a friend of public education anywhere.
    I think the session has gone well, although I would have liked to seen some movement on legalization.  The moves on guns were ballot issues so there was an expectation of movement, and the moves are meaningful but not radical.  I think the Democrats grip on the executive wing and the two senators is firm.  Certainly the delegates could flip again but the trend has been so clear since 2012. I think that's the last time a Republican won a statewide election.  The rally on MLK was driven by out of state agitators.  
    I've seen a fair amount of Bloomberg ads in Richmond.  I haven't seen ads for anyone else yet, but that doesn't surprise me.  They'll be here soon. 
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,830
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:





    https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/09/us/nypd-bronx-shooting/index.html

    Wonder what good old Mr Davis JR has to say about this. We talk about how words matter with trump. I wonder if words matter when others constantly harp on racism within the police force as a whole.
    Why the fuck would it matter what a city-councilperson in South Bend, Indiana thinks about a shooting in the Bronx?
    The the fuck does it matter what you say about anything? Or what a Swede says about the Us election? What a weird comment to make.
    I have good ears--heard a dog whistle. 
    Honestly you got shit. You are a human dog whistle.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    what dreams said:
    Two articles from Blue Virginia, a widely read blog in a still purple state. Even though Democrats took over the entire state legislator in 2019 with "Black-Face" Northam still in office (a major accomplishment in this state, believe me it's huge), it is still a tremendously fragile claim on power. Over-reach could be detrimental if Democrats are not careful in their first legislative session, which has yet to wrap up.

    This article stops one-sentence short of a Sanders endorsement, in my view, and it's surprising in this state.   https://bluevirginia.us/2020/02/stop-asking-who-can-beat-trump

    This article reports on Bloomberg's mobilization in the state. https://bluevirginia.us/2020/01/bloomberg-campaign-announces-virginia-leadership-team
    Bloomberg has been advertising heavily in the Northern Virginia area (and I would imagine in other Democratic areas of the state). A friend of mine asked me about Bloomberg last week, and I told her to be cautious. We are both teachers, and his record on education in NYC is abysmal. We are finally making gains against the tyranny of corporate interests inherent in NCLB (now called ESSA). Bloomberg will not be a friend of public education anywhere.
    Oh and it's always been interesting to me that Northam has remained very popular with the AA community in VA throughout that whole ordeal.  It reaffirms what I've always believed, that the community is focused on actual results and Northam living up to his commitments, not focusing on shit from 35 years ago in a different time and place.  
  • what dreams
    what dreams Posts: 1,761
    edited February 2020
    mrussel1 said:
    what dreams said:
    Two articles from Blue Virginia, a widely read blog in a still purple state. Even though Democrats took over the entire state legislator in 2019 with "Black-Face" Northam still in office (a major accomplishment in this state, believe me it's huge), it is still a tremendously fragile claim on power. Over-reach could be detrimental if Democrats are not careful in their first legislative session, which has yet to wrap up.

    This article stops one-sentence short of a Sanders endorsement, in my view, and it's surprising in this state.   https://bluevirginia.us/2020/02/stop-asking-who-can-beat-trump

    This article reports on Bloomberg's mobilization in the state. https://bluevirginia.us/2020/01/bloomberg-campaign-announces-virginia-leadership-team
    Bloomberg has been advertising heavily in the Northern Virginia area (and I would imagine in other Democratic areas of the state). A friend of mine asked me about Bloomberg last week, and I told her to be cautious. We are both teachers, and his record on education in NYC is abysmal. We are finally making gains against the tyranny of corporate interests inherent in NCLB (now called ESSA). Bloomberg will not be a friend of public education anywhere.
    I think the session has gone well, although I would have liked to seen some movement on legalization.  The moves on guns were ballot issues so there was an expectation of movement, and the moves are meaningful but not radical.  I think the Democrats grip on the executive wing and the two senators is firm.  Certainly the delegates could flip again but the trend has been so clear since 2012. I think that's the last time a Republican won a statewide election.  The rally on MLK was driven by out of state agitators.  
    I've seen a fair amount of Bloomberg ads in Richmond.  I haven't seen ads for anyone else yet, but that doesn't surprise me.  They'll be here soon. 
    As far as presidential politics goes, yes, VA will NOT go to Trump in the general, for sure. But as far as the primaries go, I still think we're all over the map on who will win the VA primary delegates. Even in NOVA, which is generally blue, there is a lot of military, as there also is in Hampton Roads. The very friend I mentioned above has a military husband. He voted for Trump and I have no doubt he will again.

    In the current session, I've been mostly following education issues (funding and testing, in particular) and the collective bargaining rights issues. There have been compromises made in committee, and I'm disappointed by all of them -- cutting funding for counselors and English language teachers, for example, while making it more difficult for unions to negotiate across the state. The compromised bill coming from the Senate kicks it down to localities to decide, which in effect will make it impossible for poorer, rural school districts to do anything to improve conditions for students and teachers.
    I can't speak for the rest of the state, only what I see coming from my district which is still pretty conservative in spite of electing Danica Roem, our transgender heroine. Our local Board of Supervisor slot went to a Cory Stewart backed Hispanic female. Yes it's crazy but true -- our district elected both Danica Roem and Yesli Vega https://yestoyesli.com/. Roem won twice on transportation, not on being transgendered. We have one stretch of highway that could win hands-down the award for worst traffic in the entire NOVA area. So far, she has yet to make any progress on the roads and public transit, while developers still run amok with our local BOS. She's in the national spotlight for being transgendered, fine. But that's bringing in the nutcases from the rest of the country and now with Dems in charge in Richmond, diverting attention away from what she ran on. I have read that she has not handled well her committee chairperson-ship on transportation, that there has been confusion and rule-breaking (which I can see because she's a bit of a flake in the way she communicates and organizes). She could be defeated in a backlash, as could any of the delegates and senators from Prince William County where I live, if the Republicans put forth a good candidate against her.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    ^ I see you added the NOT.. when I first read that, I thought you lost your mind.  I know it's always possible, but if we show up, it's Blue.  I admit to not watching education issues as closely as I do guns, legalization, and transportation, so your information is good for me.  I live in Henrico and we elected Spanberger who I really, really like.  I was proud to vote for her.  I don't watch NOVA as it has been solidly blue for a bit now, but I watch Henrico, Midlothian down to Hampton Roads and I feel great about the voting pattern.  But VA is essentially a moderate, business friendly state.  It needs to stay that way or there will be a backlash from the substantial educated, white collar voters who are dominant in the state.  
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,465
    edited February 2020
    Elizabeth Warren (paraphrasing from the recent ABC interview): I'm a capitalist. There are places where markets don't work - like in healthcare, and in education. But there are alot of areas where markets do work. But markets need rules.

    Yeah, you're a social democrat m8. Just own up to it Elizabeth. 

    Welcome to the sound middleground that with no problems gives women a legal right to stay home and heal up after giving birth, workers the legal right to rest up and have vacation and unions not being something to fear.

    EDIT:

    (I felt for Liz when she admitted that she can't afford pushing ads because of lack of funds and had to pull them back)
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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,465

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • what dreams
    what dreams Posts: 1,761
    mrussel1 said:
    ^ I see you added the NOT.. when I first read that, I thought you lost your mind.  I know it's always possible, but if we show up, it's Blue.  I admit to not watching education issues as closely as I do guns, legalization, and transportation, so your information is good for me.  I live in Henrico and we elected Spanberger who I really, really like.  I was proud to vote for her.  I don't watch NOVA as it has been solidly blue for a bit now, but I watch Henrico, Midlothian down to Hampton Roads and I feel great about the voting pattern.  But VA is essentially a moderate, business friendly state.  It needs to stay that way or there will be a backlash from the substantial educated, white collar voters who are dominant in the state.  
    Haaha! Yes, as soon as I saw that, I thought, "I better change that or he'll think I've lost my mind!"  I agree with your assessment of VA in spite of my disappointment on education and collective bargaining. I uderstand the compromise, though I don't think now is the time to cut funding on counseling. Too many of our students are in crisis. I think money could be found. It's good for business.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    what dreams said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ^ I see you added the NOT.. when I first read that, I thought you lost your mind.  I know it's always possible, but if we show up, it's Blue.  I admit to not watching education issues as closely as I do guns, legalization, and transportation, so your information is good for me.  I live in Henrico and we elected Spanberger who I really, really like.  I was proud to vote for her.  I don't watch NOVA as it has been solidly blue for a bit now, but I watch Henrico, Midlothian down to Hampton Roads and I feel great about the voting pattern.  But VA is essentially a moderate, business friendly state.  It needs to stay that way or there will be a backlash from the substantial educated, white collar voters who are dominant in the state.  
    Haaha! Yes, as soon as I saw that, I thought, "I better change that or he'll think I've lost my mind!"  I agree with your assessment of VA in spite of my disappointment on education and collective bargaining. I uderstand the compromise, though I don't think now is the time to cut funding on counseling. Too many of our students are in crisis. I think money could be found. It's good for business.
    100% agree, and I think we need to allocate more funds for student wellness.  I think it's a winning issue, as long as it doesn't get framed by the R's as a "union giveaway" or however they would frame it.  
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,830
    As I watch the Dems falling apart and attacking each other... I keep struggling with what to do if it’s Trump v Bernie.... man this sucks not having a party that represent you. 
    hippiemom = goodness
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,465


    What does this even mean? Haha. what is a dog faced pony soldier?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    cincybearcat said:
    As I watch the Dems falling apart and attacking each other... I keep struggling with what to do if it’s Trump v Bernie.... man this sucks not having a party that represent you. 
    If you are struggling on that issue, you have already lost.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    cincybearcat said:
    As I watch the Dems falling apart and attacking each other... I keep struggling with what to do if it’s Trump v Bernie.... man this sucks not having a party that represent you. 
    Aren’t you an upper-middle-class white guy?
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,830
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    As I watch the Dems falling apart and attacking each other... I keep struggling with what to do if it’s Trump v Bernie.... man this sucks not having a party that represent you. 
    If you are struggling on that issue, you have already lost.
    Yeah I know, I lose either way in different ways.  That’s the point. 
    hippiemom = goodness
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,830
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    As I watch the Dems falling apart and attacking each other... I keep struggling with what to do if it’s Trump v Bernie.... man this sucks not having a party that represent you. 
    Aren’t you an upper-middle-class white guy?
    Mr Brady labeled maker has arrived!!! Go away. I’m done with your labeling bullshit 
    hippiemom = goodness
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    As I watch the Dems falling apart and attacking each other... I keep struggling with what to do if it’s Trump v Bernie.... man this sucks not having a party that represent you. 
    Aren’t you an upper-middle-class white guy?
    Aren't you?  Median household income is 63k.  Two PhD's in the family and all...
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,465
    edited February 2020
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    As I watch the Dems falling apart and attacking each other... I keep struggling with what to do if it’s Trump v Bernie.... man this sucks not having a party that represent you. 
    If you are struggling on that issue, you have already lost.
    Yeah I know, I lose either way in different ways.  That’s the point. 
    No, the point is --  if a man that has double digit rape accusations against him (one from a 13 year old), have no problems to in blackmailing a foreign nation with people in that country dying as a result and (still) wants to hang 5 kids because they are black (even after being found innocent) even is considered an option for you, then something 

    https://youtu.be/GdvYHgE_ols

    It should not be able to be an option. I don't know how it could.

    But for some reason people are falling over to Trump in here, one by one. Like an Agatha Christie novel.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    As I watch the Dems falling apart and attacking each other... I keep struggling with what to do if it’s Trump v Bernie.... man this sucks not having a party that represent you. 
    Aren’t you an upper-middle-class white guy?
    Aren't you?  Median household income is 63k.  Two PhD's in the family and all...
    Yes, I am. And both parties represent my demographic (way more than I want them to). It would be absurd to say otherwise. 
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