***DONALD J TRUMP HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN IMPEACHED***

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  • "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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  • "MSDNC" is kind of funny
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,057
    2018
    1 hour in
    Never thought  I'd hear Carter Page before Hunter Biden.   They need better visuals. 



    Let me be clear.....
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,523
    Didn’t answer the question. You know her voting record outside of the decisions she’s made?
    You know Roberts record?  I don't care about the voting record.  We're discussing jurisprudence.   You're so team oriented that you can't process the same arguments from the other side.  
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,523
    How profound. But not unexpected. What are you afraid of?
    I'm afraid you're going to be mean to me with your outstanding arguments.  I couldn't possibly be expected to counter them in any way.  I mean, look how dynamite they've been so far in this exchange.  
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 10,162
    mrussel1 said:
    You know Roberts record?  I don't care about the voting record.  We're discussing jurisprudence.   You're so team oriented that you can't process the same arguments from the other side.  
    I thought for sure you answered that question right. I can only imagine what road "Roberts" would have brought us down.
  • ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,057
    2018
    there he is, Joe Biden and the Whistleblower.
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,188
    edited January 2020
    ikiT said:
    by the way 

    jcornyn (or someone on his staff) is the one US Senator that follows my own meager personal instagram feed. 
    He literally posts pictures of his cat, and office visits from his constituents.





    Do you enjoy him or I following you the most? 
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,468
    "THE FIELD"
    Serious question:  Assuming Trump is on tape saying he wants the ambassador out...so? Isn’t it his prerogative as President?
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  • mrussel1 said:
    You know Roberts record?  I don't care about the voting record.  We're discussing jurisprudence.   You're so team oriented that you can't process the same arguments from the other side.  
    Do you? You seem to believe that Roberts is some unbiased arbitar of truth, justice and the American way rather than a partisan. Fancy that.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,149
    OnWis97 said:
    Serious question:  Assuming Trump is on tape saying he wants the ambassador out...so? Isn’t it his prerogative as President?
    yes it is. its the way it was  done. so for not even knowing where his authority actually is and where/how he acts where its limited or doesnt exist is reason enough to remove.....
    he isnt a fucking mafia don

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  • mrussel1 said:
    I'm afraid you're going to be mean to me with your outstanding arguments.  I couldn't possibly be expected to counter them in any way.  I mean, look how dynamite they've been so far in this exchange.  
    Avoiding direct answers is not a good look. You complained about “Trump/Bernie bitching” and what are you doing? “Bitching.”
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,523
    Avoiding direct answers is not a good look. You complained about “Trump/Bernie bitching” and what are you doing? “Bitching.”
    Oh sorry if it's not a good look in your opinion.  You still asked me a stupid question which only deserves a stupid answer.  I gave it the seriousness commensurate with the question. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,523
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    Do you? You seem to believe that Roberts is some unbiased arbitar of truth, justice and the American way rather than a partisan. Fancy that.
    Nope.. read the thread again.   R.I.F.  Nowhere did I say that.  Your cartoonish bias disables you from processing rational arguments. 
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  • mrussel1 said:
    Nope.. read the thread again.   R.I.F.  Nowhere did I say that.  Your cartoonish bias disables you from processing rational arguments. 
    Then what did you mean by “overt partisan hack?” We deconstructed it to “partisan” and it seems you believe otherwise. I’m assuming on his case voting record. I disagree with you. And you characterized the concern of Roberts and his potential judgements to be nothing but “Trump/Bernie bitching.” And when asked who you trusted more, Roberts or Sotomayor, you didnt answer.

    My “cartoonish” bias? I wish I could draw. Thanks for the laugh.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,523
    Then what did you mean by “overt partisan hack?” We deconstructed it to “partisan” and it seems you believe otherwise. I’m assuming on his case voting record. I disagree with you. And you characterized the concern of Roberts and his potential judgements to be nothing but “Trump/Bernie bitching.” And when asked who you trusted more, Roberts or Sotomayor, you didnt answer.

    My “cartoonish” bias? I wish I could draw. Thanks for the laugh.
    I said it was premature to call the proceedings rigged based on Roberts being the justice, and there was nothing in his justice record that could lead one to call him an overt partisan hack.  You also asked if I knew Roberts voting record, I assume you mean election, not judicial and of course I don't, like neither of us knows Sotomayor..at least I don't.  
    The point I made and continue to make, is that it's silly to act like the trial is rigged because Roberts presides.  He has done zero to lead one to that conclusion.  Save the bitching for when something happens.  Otherwise it's like Sanders and Trump supporters who claim everything that doesn't go their way is "rigged". 

  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 10,162
    OnWis97 said:
    Serious question:  Assuming Trump is on tape saying he wants the ambassador out...so? Isn’t it his prerogative as President?
    Yes, but the bizarre part is that he's talking about whatever he's talking about over dinner with these Ukrainian dudes and whomever else. If someone had taped him having this discussion with a couple cabinet members in the oval office it would be "ok...so what?"
  • ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,057
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    Do you enjoy him or I following you the most? 
    I don't follow him, so...
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    ikiT said:
    I don't follow him, so...
    hes asking which stalker you like better following YOU.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,776
    2018
    mrussel1 said:
    I said it was premature to call the proceedings rigged based on Roberts being the justice, and there was nothing in his justice record that could lead one to call him an overt partisan hack.  You also asked if I knew Roberts voting record, I assume you mean election, not judicial and of course I don't, like neither of us knows Sotomayor..at least I don't.  
    The point I made and continue to make, is that it's silly to act like the trial is rigged because Roberts presides.  He has done zero to lead one to that conclusion.  Save the bitching for when something happens.  Otherwise it's like Sanders and Trump supporters who claim everything that doesn't go their way is "rigged". 

    Puff Roberts is not in control it’s Midnight Mitch and the fix is already in , he will never be convicted it’s all a farce and so is the Constitution ...

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,523
    Puff Roberts is not in control it’s Midnight Mitch and the fix is already in , he will never be convicted it’s all a farce and so is the Constitution ...

    1. It’s not Roberts place to be in control
    2. He won’t be convicted because the votes aren’t there. Earl Warren could be the justice and the outcome would be the same.
    3. It’s a farce because your desired outcome isn’t achieved?  This is what I’m talking about...right there.  No one with a brain ever thought the votes were there.  

    You literally made every one of my points.  
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,776
    2018
    mrussel1 said:
    1. It’s not Roberts place to be in control
    2. He won’t be convicted because the votes aren’t there. Earl Warren could be the justice and the outcome would be the same.
    3. It’s a farce because your desired outcome isn’t achieved?  This is what I’m talking about...right there.  No one with a brain ever thought the votes were there.  

    You literally made every one of my points.  
    The votes are not there because midnight Mitch made sure of it! That’s the fix it was never to be a fair trial the outcome has already been determined
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,523
    The votes are not there because midnight Mitch made sure of it! That’s the fix it was never to be a fair trial the outcome has already been determined
    Explain how Mitch fixed it and has manipulated the votes of 20 some Republican senators that would have convicted if say...Grassley was majority leader instead.  
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,776
    2018
    So if the votes weren’t there than what don’t bother with trial or impeachment at all? Just let this administration keep on their mob tactics in other words no rules/laws and fuck the constitution fuck it ...
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,523
    So if the votes weren’t there than what don’t bother with trial or impeachment at all? Just let this administration keep on their mob tactics in other words no rules/laws and fuck the constitution fuck it ...
    Unfortunately for you,  the Constitution wasn't established to provide you your desired outcome.  
    Pelosi (and everyone) knew going on there was about zero chance for a conviction.  Anyone who thought otherwise was woefully misinformed.  About zero isn't zero... but damn close. 
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,776
    2018
    mrussel1 said:
    Explain how Mitch fixed it and has manipulated the votes of 20 some Republican senators that would have convicted if say...Grassley was majority leader instead.  
    Just look at his statements before the trial he was telegraphing his intentions that this trial was just for show , like I said it’s the way I see it! So tell us what the answer to this would of been just let him get away and wait till November? 
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,776
    2018
    mrussel1 said:
    Unfortunately for you,  the Constitution wasn't established to provide you your desired outcome.  
    Pelosi (and everyone) knew going on there was about zero chance for a conviction.  Anyone who thought otherwise was woefully misinformed.  About zero isn't zero... but damn close. 
    But your not offering an answer on what should of happened? Please tell us ..
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,523
    Just look at his statements before the trial he was telegraphing his intentions that this trial was just for show , like I said it’s the way I see it! So tell us what the answer to this would of been just let him get away and wait till November? 
    How did those statements alter the potential votes of the senators? Every single rule of the trial is subject to a majority vote.  He's representing his caucus, he doesn't have some extra constitutional authority in this process. 
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