***DONALD J TRUMP HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN IMPEACHED***

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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,102
    i think he is as much of a partisan as the rest of them. trump gave him gorsuch and kavanaugh, which gives roberts a conservative majority for propably 25 years. this is probably one of the reasons roberts is acting the way he is. the fix is in.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    i think he is as much of a partisan as the rest of them. trump gave him gorsuch and kavanaugh, which gives roberts a conservative majority for propably 25 years. this is probably one of the reasons roberts is acting the way he is. the fix is in.
    Oh Christ... anytime someone doesn't agree with someone else or things don't go someone's way "the fix is in".. what's he fixing precisely?  I'm so tired of Bernie/Trump talking points infiltrating every discussion.  
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,961
    Disheartening is the word I think about that. 

    Honor is the word I try to hang on to though. Have a great weekend everyone.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    Kat said:
    So you think he's taking the long view? What do you think he might think about his ultimate responsibility in this? And how it's going to go?
    I don't know that he's taking a long view, but I think he's likely exercising restraint.  I would be surprised if he thought of this as a SCOTUS trial or some criminal trial.  This is all very different.  He's a referee and the players got to make the rules.  So I'm guessing he is going to try to be as low key in his role as possible.  Roberts is not exactly a flamboyant personality or judge.  He's reserved, thoughtful and deliberate.  If I were in his shoes, I would not be publicly admonishing any senator, unless it was absolutely unavoidable.  
  • mrussel1 said:
    i think he is as much of a partisan as the rest of them. trump gave him gorsuch and kavanaugh, which gives roberts a conservative majority for propably 25 years. this is probably one of the reasons roberts is acting the way he is. the fix is in.
    Oh Christ... anytime someone doesn't agree with someone else or things don't go someone's way "the fix is in".. what's he fixing precisely?  I'm so tired of Bernie/Trump talking points infiltrating every discussion.  
    Ruling that executive privilege Trumps house subpoenas, if it ever reaches the Supreme Court. Once this trial farce has concluded, the house should go to court over the witness testimony and documents to compel them to be provided. See where that goes because it will reach the Supreme Court. See how that turns out. “The fix is in,” is not a Bernie talking point but a distinct possibility, particularly now that there have been life time appointments to the federal bench of folks who have never presided over a trial and owe their loyalty to a party and an ideology. Impartiality is being systemically eroded. On purpose.
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  • mrussel1
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    mrussel1 said:
    i think he is as much of a partisan as the rest of them. trump gave him gorsuch and kavanaugh, which gives roberts a conservative majority for propably 25 years. this is probably one of the reasons roberts is acting the way he is. the fix is in.
    Oh Christ... anytime someone doesn't agree with someone else or things don't go someone's way "the fix is in".. what's he fixing precisely?  I'm so tired of Bernie/Trump talking points infiltrating every discussion.  
    Ruling that executive privilege Trumps house subpoenas, if it ever reaches the Supreme Court. Once this trial farce has concluded, the house should go to court over the witness testimony and documents to compel them to be provided. See where that goes because it will reach the Supreme Court. See how that turns out. “The fix is in,” is not a Bernie talking point but a distinct possibility, particularly now that there have been life time appointments to the federal bench of folks who have never presided over a trial and owe their loyalty to a party and an ideology. Impartiality is being systemically eroded. On purpose.
    1. Bitch when Roberts rules for unlimited executive privilege
    2. Bitch when Roberts makes a binding ruling that materially affects the course of the trial. 

    Until then,  it's Trump/Sanders complaining of "rigged".
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,435
    Kat said:
    John Roberts should be sent home. He's supposed to be there to make sure people follow the rules and he isn't doing anything at all in that regard much less having any influence with people telling the truth. The Senators are supposed to sit in their seats and listen. No electronics and that means Apple watches. Crossword puzzles, toys...what a joke. These are toddlers, not Senators. Roberts is useless and I can't see justice ever coming from him in any court or anywhere else. I guess his soul has been eaten too. Very sad. :(

    umm, I think that falls on the senate sargent at arms to enforce...
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  • mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    i think he is as much of a partisan as the rest of them. trump gave him gorsuch and kavanaugh, which gives roberts a conservative majority for propably 25 years. this is probably one of the reasons roberts is acting the way he is. the fix is in.
    Oh Christ... anytime someone doesn't agree with someone else or things don't go someone's way "the fix is in".. what's he fixing precisely?  I'm so tired of Bernie/Trump talking points infiltrating every discussion.  
    Ruling that executive privilege Trumps house subpoenas, if it ever reaches the Supreme Court. Once this trial farce has concluded, the house should go to court over the witness testimony and documents to compel them to be provided. See where that goes because it will reach the Supreme Court. See how that turns out. “The fix is in,” is not a Bernie talking point but a distinct possibility, particularly now that there have been life time appointments to the federal bench of folks who have never presided over a trial and owe their loyalty to a party and an ideology. Impartiality is being systemically eroded. On purpose.
    1. Bitch when Roberts rules for unlimited executive privilege
    2. Bitch when Roberts makes a binding ruling that materially affects the course of the trial. 

    Until then,  it's Trump/Sanders complaining of "rigged".
    So wait until it’s too late. Gotcha.
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  • mrussel1
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    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    i think he is as much of a partisan as the rest of them. trump gave him gorsuch and kavanaugh, which gives roberts a conservative majority for propably 25 years. this is probably one of the reasons roberts is acting the way he is. the fix is in.
    Oh Christ... anytime someone doesn't agree with someone else or things don't go someone's way "the fix is in".. what's he fixing precisely?  I'm so tired of Bernie/Trump talking points infiltrating every discussion.  
    Ruling that executive privilege Trumps house subpoenas, if it ever reaches the Supreme Court. Once this trial farce has concluded, the house should go to court over the witness testimony and documents to compel them to be provided. See where that goes because it will reach the Supreme Court. See how that turns out. “The fix is in,” is not a Bernie talking point but a distinct possibility, particularly now that there have been life time appointments to the federal bench of folks who have never presided over a trial and owe their loyalty to a party and an ideology. Impartiality is being systemically eroded. On purpose.
    1. Bitch when Roberts rules for unlimited executive privilege
    2. Bitch when Roberts makes a binding ruling that materially affects the course of the trial. 

    Until then,  it's Trump/Sanders complaining of "rigged".
    So wait until it’s too late. Gotcha.
    Your pre-bitching makes a difference?
  • mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    i think he is as much of a partisan as the rest of them. trump gave him gorsuch and kavanaugh, which gives roberts a conservative majority for propably 25 years. this is probably one of the reasons roberts is acting the way he is. the fix is in.
    Oh Christ... anytime someone doesn't agree with someone else or things don't go someone's way "the fix is in".. what's he fixing precisely?  I'm so tired of Bernie/Trump talking points infiltrating every discussion.  
    Ruling that executive privilege Trumps house subpoenas, if it ever reaches the Supreme Court. Once this trial farce has concluded, the house should go to court over the witness testimony and documents to compel them to be provided. See where that goes because it will reach the Supreme Court. See how that turns out. “The fix is in,” is not a Bernie talking point but a distinct possibility, particularly now that there have been life time appointments to the federal bench of folks who have never presided over a trial and owe their loyalty to a party and an ideology. Impartiality is being systemically eroded. On purpose.
    1. Bitch when Roberts rules for unlimited executive privilege
    2. Bitch when Roberts makes a binding ruling that materially affects the course of the trial. 

    Until then,  it's Trump/Sanders complaining of "rigged".
    So wait until it’s too late. Gotcha.
    Your pre-bitching makes a difference?
    I dont think anyone’s bitching makes a difference unless it’s directed at your elected representatives and believe me, I’m sure mine are sick of hearing from me. I know they’re on my side and are doing what they can. You’re dismissing of what is happening as “Trump/Bernie bitching” and waiting for it to be too late before speaking up is what is concerning. Unless you tend to agree with what is happening right under your nose?
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  • mrussel1
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    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    i think he is as much of a partisan as the rest of them. trump gave him gorsuch and kavanaugh, which gives roberts a conservative majority for propably 25 years. this is probably one of the reasons roberts is acting the way he is. the fix is in.
    Oh Christ... anytime someone doesn't agree with someone else or things don't go someone's way "the fix is in".. what's he fixing precisely?  I'm so tired of Bernie/Trump talking points infiltrating every discussion.  
    Ruling that executive privilege Trumps house subpoenas, if it ever reaches the Supreme Court. Once this trial farce has concluded, the house should go to court over the witness testimony and documents to compel them to be provided. See where that goes because it will reach the Supreme Court. See how that turns out. “The fix is in,” is not a Bernie talking point but a distinct possibility, particularly now that there have been life time appointments to the federal bench of folks who have never presided over a trial and owe their loyalty to a party and an ideology. Impartiality is being systemically eroded. On purpose.
    1. Bitch when Roberts rules for unlimited executive privilege
    2. Bitch when Roberts makes a binding ruling that materially affects the course of the trial. 

    Until then,  it's Trump/Sanders complaining of "rigged".
    So wait until it’s too late. Gotcha.
    Your pre-bitching makes a difference?
    I dont think anyone’s bitching makes a difference unless it’s directed at your elected representatives and believe me, I’m sure mine are sick of hearing from me. I know they’re on my side and are doing what they can. You’re dismissing of what is happening as “Trump/Bernie bitching” and waiting for it to be too late before speaking up is what is concerning. Unless you tend to agree with what is happening right under your nose?
    Yes,  I agree with it.  My 14k posts all indicate the same.  

    There's nothing in Roberts judicial record to indicate that he's an overtly partisan hack. 
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,533
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    i think he is as much of a partisan as the rest of them. trump gave him gorsuch and kavanaugh, which gives roberts a conservative majority for propably 25 years. this is probably one of the reasons roberts is acting the way he is. the fix is in.
    Oh Christ... anytime someone doesn't agree with someone else or things don't go someone's way "the fix is in".. what's he fixing precisely?  I'm so tired of Bernie/Trump talking points infiltrating every discussion.  
    Ruling that executive privilege Trumps house subpoenas, if it ever reaches the Supreme Court. Once this trial farce has concluded, the house should go to court over the witness testimony and documents to compel them to be provided. See where that goes because it will reach the Supreme Court. See how that turns out. “The fix is in,” is not a Bernie talking point but a distinct possibility, particularly now that there have been life time appointments to the federal bench of folks who have never presided over a trial and owe their loyalty to a party and an ideology. Impartiality is being systemically eroded. On purpose.
    1. Bitch when Roberts rules for unlimited executive privilege
    2. Bitch when Roberts makes a binding ruling that materially affects the course of the trial. 

    Until then,  it's Trump/Sanders complaining of "rigged".
    So wait until it’s too late. Gotcha.
    Your pre-bitching makes a difference?
    I dont think anyone’s bitching makes a difference unless it’s directed at your elected representatives and believe me, I’m sure mine are sick of hearing from me. I know they’re on my side and are doing what they can. You’re dismissing of what is happening as “Trump/Bernie bitching” and waiting for it to be too late before speaking up is what is concerning. Unless you tend to agree with what is happening right under your nose?
    Yes,  I agree with it.  My 14k posts all indicate the same.  

    There's nothing in Roberts judicial record to indicate that he's an overtly partisan hack. 
    It's annoying when people assume judges are partisan caricatures like House reps
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    i think he is as much of a partisan as the rest of them. trump gave him gorsuch and kavanaugh, which gives roberts a conservative majority for propably 25 years. this is probably one of the reasons roberts is acting the way he is. the fix is in.
    Oh Christ... anytime someone doesn't agree with someone else or things don't go someone's way "the fix is in".. what's he fixing precisely?  I'm so tired of Bernie/Trump talking points infiltrating every discussion.  
    Ruling that executive privilege Trumps house subpoenas, if it ever reaches the Supreme Court. Once this trial farce has concluded, the house should go to court over the witness testimony and documents to compel them to be provided. See where that goes because it will reach the Supreme Court. See how that turns out. “The fix is in,” is not a Bernie talking point but a distinct possibility, particularly now that there have been life time appointments to the federal bench of folks who have never presided over a trial and owe their loyalty to a party and an ideology. Impartiality is being systemically eroded. On purpose.
    1. Bitch when Roberts rules for unlimited executive privilege
    2. Bitch when Roberts makes a binding ruling that materially affects the course of the trial. 

    Until then,  it's Trump/Sanders complaining of "rigged".
    So wait until it’s too late. Gotcha.
    Your pre-bitching makes a difference?
    I dont think anyone’s bitching makes a difference unless it’s directed at your elected representatives and believe me, I’m sure mine are sick of hearing from me. I know they’re on my side and are doing what they can. You’re dismissing of what is happening as “Trump/Bernie bitching” and waiting for it to be too late before speaking up is what is concerning. Unless you tend to agree with what is happening right under your nose?
    Yes,  I agree with it.  My 14k posts all indicate the same.  

    There's nothing in Roberts judicial record to indicate that he's an overtly partisan hack. 
    Citizens United.
  • mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    i think he is as much of a partisan as the rest of them. trump gave him gorsuch and kavanaugh, which gives roberts a conservative majority for propably 25 years. this is probably one of the reasons roberts is acting the way he is. the fix is in.
    Oh Christ... anytime someone doesn't agree with someone else or things don't go someone's way "the fix is in".. what's he fixing precisely?  I'm so tired of Bernie/Trump talking points infiltrating every discussion.  
    Ruling that executive privilege Trumps house subpoenas, if it ever reaches the Supreme Court. Once this trial farce has concluded, the house should go to court over the witness testimony and documents to compel them to be provided. See where that goes because it will reach the Supreme Court. See how that turns out. “The fix is in,” is not a Bernie talking point but a distinct possibility, particularly now that there have been life time appointments to the federal bench of folks who have never presided over a trial and owe their loyalty to a party and an ideology. Impartiality is being systemically eroded. On purpose.
    1. Bitch when Roberts rules for unlimited executive privilege
    2. Bitch when Roberts makes a binding ruling that materially affects the course of the trial. 

    Until then,  it's Trump/Sanders complaining of "rigged".
    So wait until it’s too late. Gotcha.
    Your pre-bitching makes a difference?
    I dont think anyone’s bitching makes a difference unless it’s directed at your elected representatives and believe me, I’m sure mine are sick of hearing from me. I know they’re on my side and are doing what they can. You’re dismissing of what is happening as “Trump/Bernie bitching” and waiting for it to be too late before speaking up is what is concerning. Unless you tend to agree with what is happening right under your nose?
    Yes,  I agree with it.  My 14k posts all indicate the same.  

    There's nothing in Roberts judicial record to indicate that he's an overtly partisan hack. 
    He doesn’t have to be “overt” to be a partisan hack.
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  • pjl44
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    I appreciate pieces like this, although I'd quibble with the headline that it's unexpected 

    https://theweek.com/articles/816202/unexpected-alliance-sonia-sotomayor-neil-gorsuch
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    i think he is as much of a partisan as the rest of them. trump gave him gorsuch and kavanaugh, which gives roberts a conservative majority for propably 25 years. this is probably one of the reasons roberts is acting the way he is. the fix is in.
    Oh Christ... anytime someone doesn't agree with someone else or things don't go someone's way "the fix is in".. what's he fixing precisely?  I'm so tired of Bernie/Trump talking points infiltrating every discussion.  
    Ruling that executive privilege Trumps house subpoenas, if it ever reaches the Supreme Court. Once this trial farce has concluded, the house should go to court over the witness testimony and documents to compel them to be provided. See where that goes because it will reach the Supreme Court. See how that turns out. “The fix is in,” is not a Bernie talking point but a distinct possibility, particularly now that there have been life time appointments to the federal bench of folks who have never presided over a trial and owe their loyalty to a party and an ideology. Impartiality is being systemically eroded. On purpose.
    1. Bitch when Roberts rules for unlimited executive privilege
    2. Bitch when Roberts makes a binding ruling that materially affects the course of the trial. 

    Until then,  it's Trump/Sanders complaining of "rigged".
    So wait until it’s too late. Gotcha.
    Your pre-bitching makes a difference?
    I dont think anyone’s bitching makes a difference unless it’s directed at your elected representatives and believe me, I’m sure mine are sick of hearing from me. I know they’re on my side and are doing what they can. You’re dismissing of what is happening as “Trump/Bernie bitching” and waiting for it to be too late before speaking up is what is concerning. Unless you tend to agree with what is happening right under your nose?
    Yes,  I agree with it.  My 14k posts all indicate the same.  

    There's nothing in Roberts judicial record to indicate that he's an overtly partisan hack. 
    He doesn’t have to be “overt” to be a partisan hack.
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  • mrussel1
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    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    i think he is as much of a partisan as the rest of them. trump gave him gorsuch and kavanaugh, which gives roberts a conservative majority for propably 25 years. this is probably one of the reasons roberts is acting the way he is. the fix is in.
    Oh Christ... anytime someone doesn't agree with someone else or things don't go someone's way "the fix is in".. what's he fixing precisely?  I'm so tired of Bernie/Trump talking points infiltrating every discussion.  
    Ruling that executive privilege Trumps house subpoenas, if it ever reaches the Supreme Court. Once this trial farce has concluded, the house should go to court over the witness testimony and documents to compel them to be provided. See where that goes because it will reach the Supreme Court. See how that turns out. “The fix is in,” is not a Bernie talking point but a distinct possibility, particularly now that there have been life time appointments to the federal bench of folks who have never presided over a trial and owe their loyalty to a party and an ideology. Impartiality is being systemically eroded. On purpose.
    1. Bitch when Roberts rules for unlimited executive privilege
    2. Bitch when Roberts makes a binding ruling that materially affects the course of the trial. 

    Until then,  it's Trump/Sanders complaining of "rigged".
    So wait until it’s too late. Gotcha.
    Your pre-bitching makes a difference?
    I dont think anyone’s bitching makes a difference unless it’s directed at your elected representatives and believe me, I’m sure mine are sick of hearing from me. I know they’re on my side and are doing what they can. You’re dismissing of what is happening as “Trump/Bernie bitching” and waiting for it to be too late before speaking up is what is concerning. Unless you tend to agree with what is happening right under your nose?
    Yes,  I agree with it.  My 14k posts all indicate the same.  

    There's nothing in Roberts judicial record to indicate that he's an overtly partisan hack. 
    He doesn’t have to be “overt” to be a partisan hack.
    True,  but just because you don't like his judicial philosophy also doesn't render him a hack 
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    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    i think he is as much of a partisan as the rest of them. trump gave him gorsuch and kavanaugh, which gives roberts a conservative majority for propably 25 years. this is probably one of the reasons roberts is acting the way he is. the fix is in.
    Oh Christ... anytime someone doesn't agree with someone else or things don't go someone's way "the fix is in".. what's he fixing precisely?  I'm so tired of Bernie/Trump talking points infiltrating every discussion.  
    Ruling that executive privilege Trumps house subpoenas, if it ever reaches the Supreme Court. Once this trial farce has concluded, the house should go to court over the witness testimony and documents to compel them to be provided. See where that goes because it will reach the Supreme Court. See how that turns out. “The fix is in,” is not a Bernie talking point but a distinct possibility, particularly now that there have been life time appointments to the federal bench of folks who have never presided over a trial and owe their loyalty to a party and an ideology. Impartiality is being systemically eroded. On purpose.
    1. Bitch when Roberts rules for unlimited executive privilege
    2. Bitch when Roberts makes a binding ruling that materially affects the course of the trial. 

    Until then,  it's Trump/Sanders complaining of "rigged".
    So wait until it’s too late. Gotcha.
    Your pre-bitching makes a difference?
    I dont think anyone’s bitching makes a difference unless it’s directed at your elected representatives and believe me, I’m sure mine are sick of hearing from me. I know they’re on my side and are doing what they can. You’re dismissing of what is happening as “Trump/Bernie bitching” and waiting for it to be too late before speaking up is what is concerning. Unless you tend to agree with what is happening right under your nose?
    Yes,  I agree with it.  My 14k posts all indicate the same.  

    There's nothing in Roberts judicial record to indicate that he's an overtly partisan hack. 
    It's annoying when people assume judges are partisan caricatures like House reps
    20 years from now, they will be.  Trump is the first president of the Own the Libs era.  Party loyalists like Kavanaugh are probably going to be the norm.
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  • mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    i think he is as much of a partisan as the rest of them. trump gave him gorsuch and kavanaugh, which gives roberts a conservative majority for propably 25 years. this is probably one of the reasons roberts is acting the way he is. the fix is in.
    Oh Christ... anytime someone doesn't agree with someone else or things don't go someone's way "the fix is in".. what's he fixing precisely?  I'm so tired of Bernie/Trump talking points infiltrating every discussion.  
    Ruling that executive privilege Trumps house subpoenas, if it ever reaches the Supreme Court. Once this trial farce has concluded, the house should go to court over the witness testimony and documents to compel them to be provided. See where that goes because it will reach the Supreme Court. See how that turns out. “The fix is in,” is not a Bernie talking point but a distinct possibility, particularly now that there have been life time appointments to the federal bench of folks who have never presided over a trial and owe their loyalty to a party and an ideology. Impartiality is being systemically eroded. On purpose.
    1. Bitch when Roberts rules for unlimited executive privilege
    2. Bitch when Roberts makes a binding ruling that materially affects the course of the trial. 

    Until then,  it's Trump/Sanders complaining of "rigged".
    So wait until it’s too late. Gotcha.
    Your pre-bitching makes a difference?
    I dont think anyone’s bitching makes a difference unless it’s directed at your elected representatives and believe me, I’m sure mine are sick of hearing from me. I know they’re on my side and are doing what they can. You’re dismissing of what is happening as “Trump/Bernie bitching” and waiting for it to be too late before speaking up is what is concerning. Unless you tend to agree with what is happening right under your nose?
    Yes,  I agree with it.  My 14k posts all indicate the same.  

    There's nothing in Roberts judicial record to indicate that he's an overtly partisan hack. 
    He doesn’t have to be “overt” to be a partisan hack.
    True,  but just because you don't like his judicial philosophy also doesn't render him a hack 
    He doesn’t have to be “overt” or a “hack” to be partisan. Do you think Roberts is an independent thinker, devoid of politics when deciding?
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    i think he is as much of a partisan as the rest of them. trump gave him gorsuch and kavanaugh, which gives roberts a conservative majority for propably 25 years. this is probably one of the reasons roberts is acting the way he is. the fix is in.
    Oh Christ... anytime someone doesn't agree with someone else or things don't go someone's way "the fix is in".. what's he fixing precisely?  I'm so tired of Bernie/Trump talking points infiltrating every discussion.  
    Ruling that executive privilege Trumps house subpoenas, if it ever reaches the Supreme Court. Once this trial farce has concluded, the house should go to court over the witness testimony and documents to compel them to be provided. See where that goes because it will reach the Supreme Court. See how that turns out. “The fix is in,” is not a Bernie talking point but a distinct possibility, particularly now that there have been life time appointments to the federal bench of folks who have never presided over a trial and owe their loyalty to a party and an ideology. Impartiality is being systemically eroded. On purpose.
    1. Bitch when Roberts rules for unlimited executive privilege
    2. Bitch when Roberts makes a binding ruling that materially affects the course of the trial. 

    Until then,  it's Trump/Sanders complaining of "rigged".
    So wait until it’s too late. Gotcha.
    Your pre-bitching makes a difference?
    I dont think anyone’s bitching makes a difference unless it’s directed at your elected representatives and believe me, I’m sure mine are sick of hearing from me. I know they’re on my side and are doing what they can. You’re dismissing of what is happening as “Trump/Bernie bitching” and waiting for it to be too late before speaking up is what is concerning. Unless you tend to agree with what is happening right under your nose?
    Yes,  I agree with it.  My 14k posts all indicate the same.  

    There's nothing in Roberts judicial record to indicate that he's an overtly partisan hack. 
    He doesn’t have to be “overt” to be a partisan hack.
    True,  but just because you don't like his judicial philosophy also doesn't render him a hack 
    He doesn’t have to be “overt” or a “hack” to be partisan. Do you think Roberts is an independent thinker, devoid of politics when deciding?
    That's an unattainable bar.