***Spring 2020 Lottery Results***

chukdotcom said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

chukdotcom said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Why are so many folks assuming it must be “user error” with all the issues that have happened? How difficult was this that it must be the person’s fault? All you had to do was pick shows!  

Because almost all of the issues have been explained as user error.

People that didn't have matching info with Ticketmaster
People that didn't realize they had to arrange the order after selecting their picks
People that didn't understand the difference between selecting GA vs BA

The only legit error I have seen is the incorrect denial emails.

I’ve seen lots of instances of people who had both BA first and second choice lose out to folks who had GA or BA or RES as a third or lower pick.  They usually won their first pick but not their second.  Don’t think user error is involved in any of them

No one is getting tickets with 3rd picks over someone with the same first pick.  

How do you know that? Let's take Phoenix as an example. Say someone had MSG and Baltimore as 1 and 2 and missed out on both, then has Phoenix BA as #3. How can you be sure that this person has NO CHANCE at PHX tickets until EVERYONE who had PHX as 1 and 2 gets tickets?

You would see credit card charges for both shows if that whole same email theory was right (assuming won both).

ecdanc said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

chukdotcom said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

chukdotcom said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Why are so many folks assuming it must be “user error” with all the issues that have happened? How difficult was this that it must be the person’s fault? All you had to do was pick shows!  

Because almost all of the issues have been explained as user error.

People that didn't have matching info with Ticketmaster
People that didn't realize they had to arrange the order after selecting their picks
People that didn't understand the difference between selecting GA vs BA

The only legit error I have seen is the incorrect denial emails.

I’ve seen lots of instances of people who had both BA first and second choice lose out to folks who had GA or BA or RES as a third or lower pick.  They usually won their first pick but not their second.  Don’t think user error is involved in any of them

The user error is that that never actually happened.  They probably never ordered their choices.  No one is getting tickets with 3rd picks over someone with the same first pick.  Period.  They may THINK they are because they can't follow directions.

Well if it happens to me (I haven’t heard yet on my second pick (oak 2 BA), I’m an example of it happening.  Want a screenshot?

Any theories on the "haven't heard" issue? I know there were several reports, especially with the 2-show cities.

I think it was a flawed system, and issues came up that they didn’t expect.  I know you don’t want to believe that, but things happen and I think there were some problems that happened that weren’t thought out fully before they implemented the lotto.

for instance LA folks, OAK folks and a Nashville folks (although perhaps their Nash email may have gone to spam because I’ve only seen one instance this am) we’re just left to flap in the breeze with no email whatsoever).  That’s obviously not how it was intended since their schedule states that they would pull winners based on a show by show basis and then move on.  That’s not a huge issue but it’s not minor, and I think that is not how they intended it.

last night’s “error email” is another obvious malfunction.  Nothing more needs to be said about this but any system that mistakenly emails out hundreds (?) of false emails obviously has an error, which only can negatively affect ones opinion- it certainly does nothing to make folks feel better about it.  Like a witness with a shitty past, it discredits it a bit more.

then there’s the large amount of people who just missed out and got rejected.  Not even looking at msg and Baltimore, pretty much every single show had 99% odds.  That would mean that out of all the posts in here there would be only a few for each show that didn’t get tickets.  Allowing for user error for maybe 20% (and I think that’s very high since it wasn’t that complicated at least to me) we would be having 7 or 8(?) out of 10 people getting tickets,  I get it that we have no idea, this whole discussion is theoretical because until we have a bigger sample size to sift through we may never know, (folks of course chose GA, etc,)  but we should have seen results like we did on day 1 with Canada’s shows on day 2 as well as today.  Day 1 went as I think we all expected it to, almost everyone got what they requested.

ecdanc said:

SHZA said:

chukdotcom said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

chukdotcom said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Why are so many folks assuming it must be “user error” with all the issues that have happened? How difficult was this that it must be the person’s fault? All you had to do was pick shows!  

Because almost all of the issues have been explained as user error.

People that didn't have matching info with Ticketmaster
People that didn't realize they had to arrange the order after selecting their picks
People that didn't understand the difference between selecting GA vs BA

The only legit error I have seen is the incorrect denial emails.

I’ve seen lots of instances of people who had both BA first and second choice lose out to folks who had GA or BA or RES as a third or lower pick.  They usually won their first pick but not their second.  Don’t think user error is involved in any of them

The user error is that that never actually happened.  They probably never ordered their choices.  No one is getting tickets with 3rd picks over someone with the same first pick.  Period.  They may THINK they are because they can't follow directions.

How do you know that? Let's take Phoenix as an example. Say someone had MSG and Baltimore as 1 and 2 and missed out on both, then has Phoenix BA as #3. How can you be sure that this person has NO CHANCE at PHX tickets until EVERYONE who had PHX as 1 and 2 gets tickets?

Because they draw by priority. In other words, the hypothetical person missing out on priority 1 and 2 does not change their PHX priority 3 to PHX priority 1. I personally don't like the system, but that's how they do it. 

Again, my question is how do you know? Particularly since there are reports of the opposite happening. In my hypothetical, if people who have PHX as #1 already got tickets for their #2-3 (e.g., STL, Nashville), couldn't/shouldn't the person who struck out on 1 and 2 get priority despite ranking PHX #3? Seems fair that they would 

Sorry if this answer is already in the thread. I received confirmation for reserved much later for Nashville than Denver. From your experience, does that mean I expect better seats in Denver?  Is the seat quality relative to the time that your number is drawn?  Thx

mdbhound25 said:

Sorry if this answer is already in the thread. I received confirmation for reserved much later for Nashville than Denver. From your experience, does that mean I expect better seats in Denver?  Is the seat quality relative to the time that your number is drawn?  Thx

No, seats are assigned by seniority

ecdanc said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

ecdanc said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

chukdotcom said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

chukdotcom said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Why are so many folks assuming it must be “user error” with all the issues that have happened? How difficult was this that it must be the person’s fault? All you had to do was pick shows!  

Because almost all of the issues have been explained as user error.

People that didn't have matching info with Ticketmaster
People that didn't realize they had to arrange the order after selecting their picks
People that didn't understand the difference between selecting GA vs BA

The only legit error I have seen is the incorrect denial emails.

I’ve seen lots of instances of people who had both BA first and second choice lose out to folks who had GA or BA or RES as a third or lower pick.  They usually won their first pick but not their second.  Don’t think user error is involved in any of them

The user error is that that never actually happened.  They probably never ordered their choices.  No one is getting tickets with 3rd picks over someone with the same first pick.  Period.  They may THINK they are because they can't follow directions.

Well if it happens to me (I haven’t heard yet on my second pick (oak 2 BA), I’m an example of it happening.  Want a screenshot?

Any theories on the "haven't heard" issue? I know there were several reports, especially with the 2-show cities.

I think it was a flawed system, and issues came up that they didn’t expect.  I know you don’t want to believe that, but things happen and I think there were some problems that happened that weren’t thought out fully before they implemented the lotto.

for instance LA folks, OAK folks and a Nashville folks (although perhaps their Nash email may have gone to spam because I’ve only seen one instance this am) we’re just left to flap in the breeze with no email whatsoever).  That’s obviously not how it was intended since their schedule states that they would pull winners based on a show by show basis and then move on.  That’s not a huge issue but it’s not minor, and I think that is not how they intended it.

last night’s “error email” is another obvious malfunction.  Nothing more needs to be said about this but any system that mistakenly emails out hundreds (?) of false emails obviously has an error, which only can negatively affect ones opinion- it certainly does nothing to make folks feel better about it.  Like a witness with a shitty past, it discredits it a bit more.

then there’s the large amount of people who just missed out and got rejected.  Not even looking at msg and Baltimore, pretty much every single show had 99% odds.  That would mean that out of all the posts in here there would be only a few for each show that didn’t get tickets.  Allowing for user error for maybe 20% (and I think that’s very high since it wasn’t that complicated at least to me) we would be having 7 or 8(?) out of 10 people getting tickets,  I get it that we have no idea, this whole discussion is theoretical because until we have a bigger sample size to sift through we may never know, (folks of course chose GA, etc,)  but we should have seen results like we did on day 1 with Canada’s shows on day 2 as well as today.  Day 1 went as I think we all expected it to, almost everyone got what they requested.

Apologies, my friend. I didn't intend my skepticism to diminish your experience. I completely agree that there have been hiccups, and I hope things still work out for your Oakland show. However, I think there may be discrete issues at play. E.g., the error email was a one-off that seemingly had no meaningful effect (beyond freaking people out). The 2nd LA and 2nd Oakland issue is still a bit of a mystery (to me, at least). I remain unconvinced, though, that there's a large-scale problem with the priority system or the odds, because--as you say--we don't have enough information. I've been following the boards pretty closely and have seen reports of issues since day 1--people were complaining about the exact thing then. Like you, I wish we had more information. On that we completely agree. 

Right on, I appreciate that. I’m personally just annoyed myself with the fact that my experience has now been 40 hours long since I got my first choice accepted with no acknowledgement about my second.  It’s a stressful experience to begin with but it’s been hard for me to get on with my shit without constantly being on this forum and constantly checking my bank acct and email.  Just annoying, give me my damn rejection letter so I can move on!

YAKIMATSU said:

bootlegger10 said:

We have heard people who put LA1 and LA2 as both BA and lost.  Even if they screwed up and entered separately and negated one of the shows, they still should have won or got an email that their cc was declined.

i won LA2 with my third pick.

I got LA2 with my 5th priority. 

Thanks for posting this.