Shut out once again. Ten Club, I would like an explanation

bendhair23 said:

Definitely not a “fair” process. When the odds are 99% for reserved tickets for most shows, and there are this many upset 10c members, it’s obvious they (Ticketmaster and 10c) messed up. What a shame. 

Just because the odds were 99% when entered does not mean it stayed at 99% - a majority were much much lower as the lottery ended.

3 hours before lottery ended MSG - TOR - BAL were like 60% Res & 10% GA 

myoung321 said:

bendhair23 said:

Definitely not a “fair” process. When the odds are 99% for reserved tickets for most shows, and there are this many upset 10c members, it’s obvious they (Ticketmaster and 10c) messed up. What a shame. 

Just because the odds were 99% when entered does not mean it stayed at 99% - a majority were much much lower as the lottery ended.

3 hours before lottery ended MSG - TOR - BAL were like 60% Res & 10% GA 

All but Baltimore and MSG were still 99% for reserve at the last update.

Kevinman said:

bendhair23 said:

Definitely not a “fair” process. When the odds are 99% for reserved tickets for most shows, and there are this many upset 10c members, it’s obvious they (Ticketmaster and 10c) messed up. What a shame. 

From what I understood the 99% was for those who selected that as their 1st choice.  Not for someone who selected BA or GA then Res.

I've already said it in other threads but I requested only for reserved seats in STL and got declined. Other people have pointed out that people with that show as their second choice got tickets though. I'm disappointed but mostly confused by what happened.

playerpiano said:

I am fairly certain that Kevinman has nailed it on two counts. The first is that 99% odds are relative to first choice only. I believe this is how it has been since we could put in for unlimited shows. He is also correct that it could have been explained more clearly for newer members. That being said, those who are complaining/threatening to leave Tenclub because Best Available does not supersede Reserved need to get a grip. Why should you have an equal shot to someone's first choice when you already had a shot at GA? Doesn't make sense at all and wouldn't be fair.

I feel for those who did not get tickets, but keep in mind that this has happened to nearly all of us at some point. I have been a member since the '90s, and I was shut out for the 2016 Boston and Chicago shows and the Temple of the Dog shows. It was a bummer, but so it goes (KV).     

The % in previous lotteries has always been based on overall picks, not just your first pick  to my knowledge.

And Reserved over BA makes nonsense. They should be equal. Who says reserved was a second choice? Many just want the best chance at a ticket so to selected either-or as the option. Some prefer a seat, some prefer GA, most just want a ticket. Sure, most probably prefer GA, but also probably wouldn’t have chosen BA if they knew it lessened their chances of getting in.

Just my opinion, but this is how I see this lottery system working with the descriptions we were all given before we all made our selections:

All 1st Priority BA, 1st Priority GA-only, and 1st Priority Reserved-only names are thrown into the pool.  Names are drawn.  Names drawn with BA as their choice get GA until GA tickets are gone, and then names drawn with BA as their choice get Reserved tickets.  Names drawn with GA-only get GA tickets when they get picked as long as there are GA tickets remaining.  Names drawn with Reserved-only get Reserved tickets when they get picked as long as there are Reserved tickets remaining.  This continues until all tickets are gone.  If all 1st Priority names are drawn and there are still tickets left, then repeat this process with 2nd Priority, etc.  

I tend to believe that this is how it worked... or is at least this is how it was intended to work based on the emails we received before signing up for tickets.  To think that Reserved-only or GA-only were going to give precedence over BA in any scenario at all just doesn't make sense.  Choosing BA says "just get me in the building."  It gives you access to 100% of the available tickets.  Every ticket in the building is the Best Available at some point in the process.  Choosing GA-only or Reserved-only is of course going to lower your chances compared to BA.  Those choices give you access to some percentage LESS THAN 100% of the available tickets.  

Kevinman said:

I’m pretty sure BA is the same as 1st choice GA, 2nd choice Res.  Haven’t seen anything to tell me this is wrong.

I don't think that's it at all.  BA says "any ticket will do."  BA is not 2 choices.  It's just one choice without section restrictions.  At some point in the drawing process, every ticket in the building is the Best Available.  Even when there is only 1 Reserved ticket in the last row remaining... that ticket is still the Best Available.  

playerpiano said:

tubes10s said:

Just my opinion, but this is how I see this lottery system working with the descriptions we were all given before we all made our selections:

All 1st Priority BA, 1st Priority GA-only, and 1st Priority Reserved-only names are thrown into the pool.  Names are drawn.  Names drawn with BA as their choice get GA until GA tickets are gone, and then names drawn with BA as their choice get Reserved tickets.  Names drawn with GA-only get GA tickets when they get picked as long as there are GA tickets remaining.  Names drawn with Reserved-only get Reserved tickets when they get picked as long as there are Reserved tickets remaining.  This continues until all tickets are gone.  If all 1st Priority names are drawn and there are still tickets left, then repeat this process with 2nd Priority, etc.  

I tend to believe that this is how it worked... or is at least this is how it was intended to work based on the emails we received before signing up for tickets.  To think that Reserved-only or GA-only were going to give precedence over BA in any scenario at all just doesn't make sense.  Choosing BA says "just get me in the building."  It gives you access to 100% of the available tickets.  Every ticket in the building is the Best Available at some point in the process.  Choosing GA-only or Reserved-only is of course going to lower your chances compared to BA.  Those choices give you access to some percentage LESS THAN 100% of the available tickets.  

If this were accurate, then all tickets would be BA and Tenclub wouldn't bother with GA or Reserved options. You are still giving BA two chances at tickets to one chance for those who requested Reserved, and even those who requested GA! That is inherently unfair. There would be no GA tickets for those who requested GA, which would be kind of odd. This is not at all how it was intended to work, and there is nothing in the emails that says or implies that this would be the case.     

No, BA does not get two chances.  Every name has an equal chance to be drawn ONE TIME.  Once a name is drawn, then you check to see if they chose BA, GA, or Reserved, and award the ticket accordingly.  There is no two chances.  

playerpiano said:

tubes10s said:

Just my opinion, but this is how I see this lottery system working with the descriptions we were all given before we all made our selections:

All 1st Priority BA, 1st Priority GA-only, and 1st Priority Reserved-only names are thrown into the pool.  Names are drawn.  Names drawn with BA as their choice get GA until GA tickets are gone, and then names drawn with BA as their choice get Reserved tickets.  Names drawn with GA-only get GA tickets when they get picked as long as there are GA tickets remaining.  Names drawn with Reserved-only get Reserved tickets when they get picked as long as there are Reserved tickets remaining.  This continues until all tickets are gone.  If all 1st Priority names are drawn and there are still tickets left, then repeat this process with 2nd Priority, etc.  

I tend to believe that this is how it worked... or is at least this is how it was intended to work based on the emails we received before signing up for tickets.  To think that Reserved-only or GA-only were going to give precedence over BA in any scenario at all just doesn't make sense.  Choosing BA says "just get me in the building."  It gives you access to 100% of the available tickets.  Every ticket in the building is the Best Available at some point in the process.  Choosing GA-only or Reserved-only is of course going to lower your chances compared to BA.  Those choices give you access to some percentage LESS THAN 100% of the available tickets.  

If this were accurate, then all tickets would be BA and Tenclub wouldn't bother with GA or Reserved options. You are still giving BA two chances at tickets to one chance for those who requested Reserved, and even those who requested GA! That is inherently unfair. There would be no GA tickets for those who requested GA, which would be kind of odd. This is not at all how it was intended to work, and there is nothing in the emails that says or implies that this would be the case.     

I see your point of view if the sections were drawn in some sort of order, which they very well may have been.  I don't think they were, but again, this is all just my opinion.  I don't believe that the intention was to fill GA before moving on to Reserved.  I think that all 1st priority names were thrown in a hat.  As each name was drawn, then I think they were checked to see which choice they made (BA, GA, Res) and awarded the ticket that fit their choice.