New York Giants Official Thread
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Cliffy6745 said:Giants gonna lose themselves a shot at chase youngIf I had known then what I know now...
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Wobbie said:Cliffy6745 said:Giants gonna lose themselves a shot at chase youngI miss igotid880
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igotid88 said:I think his best chance might be with the Dolphins. They have Josh Rosen. But he got traded from Arizona and then lost his job to Fitzpatrick when they were pretty much out of it.www.myspace.com0
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Certainly not best chance for the Dolphins to contend.
BFlo won't be interested in Eli.
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Poncier said:Certainly not best chance for the Dolphins to contend.
BFlo won't be interested in Eli.www.myspace.com0 -
The Juggler said:Poncier said:Certainly not best chance for the Dolphins to contend.
BFlo won't be interested in Eli.
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igotid88 said:Childhood I had Phil Simms. Adulthood I had Eli Manning0
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tempo_n_groove said:igotid88 said:Childhood I had Phil Simms. Adulthood I had Eli Manning
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The Juggler said:tempo_n_groove said:igotid88 said:Childhood I had Phil Simms. Adulthood I had Eli Manning
Until you mentioned him I completely forgot that he even played, lol!0 -
The Juggler said:crookedcross said:The Juggler said:crookedcross said:The Juggler said:116-117
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/eli-manning-was-an-all-time-average-qb/Eli Manning Was An All-Time Average QB
As we’ve detailed before, the youngest Manning brother has been a very average quarterback over the course of his NFL career. In fact, according to Pro-Football-Reference.com’s advanced passing index, he is one of the most average QBs ever, checking in with a lifetime adjusted net yards per attempt (ANY/A) index of 101 (where 100 is dead-average for the era). Manning’s durability has managed to keep him in the lineup longer than most other passers — more on that later — but on a rate basis, there hasn’t been much special about Manning’s career passing efficiency numbers.
The way Eli got to average, however, was anything but. Among qualified QBs since the merger, Manning is the only one to grade out as average or better by ANY/A while simultaneously rating below average in completion percentage, yards per attempt and interception percentage. He pulled off that feat by being better than average at throwing for touchdowns — and he’s had plenty of memorable TD strikes over the years — while ranking as one of the best in history at avoiding sacks (something else that shows up in his signature moments). Unlike his brother Peyton, who became an all-time legend by excelling in basically the same categories as other great QBs did, Eli did it his own way, as always.
And then there are the epic highs and ignoble lows of Manning’s tenure in New York. Although his yearly efficiency marks have — somewhat surprisingly — not bounced around too much more than those of his peers, Manning has compounded his regular-season performances with playoff numbers that have been all over the place. When he was leading the Giants to a pair of Super Bowl victories after the 2007 and 2011 seasons, Manning went a perfect (by definition) 8-0 with a passer rating (100.1) nearly 7 points higher than he ever had in any single regular season of his career. In all of his other postseason appearances combined, he went 0-4 with a rating (61.8) about 8 poin
For such an average quarterback, Manning became a much more extreme version of himself in the playoffs — which worked wonders twice and failed badly on four other occasions. Now, you might expect most Super Bowl-winning QBs to have such a split; after all, the team is also much more likely to win when its starting QB plays better. But even relative to other multi-time Super Bowl winners, Manning stands out. None of them were worse by quarterback rating in their non-Super Bowl winning playoff runs, and only Troy Aikman had a bigger split in QB ratings between years when he won the Super Bowl and years when he didn’t.
I really think the past 3 seasons is what intensified the below average talks the most, but look at the personnel since 2013. I mean seriously, he didn't even have receivers in 2017... With Flowers at his blind side.Post edited by crookedcross on0 -
crookedcross said:The Juggler said:crookedcross said:The Juggler said:crookedcross said:The Juggler said:116-117
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/eli-manning-was-an-all-time-average-qb/Eli Manning Was An All-Time Average QB
As we’ve detailed before, the youngest Manning brother has been a very average quarterback over the course of his NFL career. In fact, according to Pro-Football-Reference.com’s advanced passing index, he is one of the most average QBs ever, checking in with a lifetime adjusted net yards per attempt (ANY/A) index of 101 (where 100 is dead-average for the era). Manning’s durability has managed to keep him in the lineup longer than most other passers — more on that later — but on a rate basis, there hasn’t been much special about Manning’s career passing efficiency numbers.
The way Eli got to average, however, was anything but. Among qualified QBs since the merger, Manning is the only one to grade out as average or better by ANY/A while simultaneously rating below average in completion percentage, yards per attempt and interception percentage. He pulled off that feat by being better than average at throwing for touchdowns — and he’s had plenty of memorable TD strikes over the years — while ranking as one of the best in history at avoiding sacks (something else that shows up in his signature moments). Unlike his brother Peyton, who became an all-time legend by excelling in basically the same categories as other great QBs did, Eli did it his own way, as always.
And then there are the epic highs and ignoble lows of Manning’s tenure in New York. Although his yearly efficiency marks have — somewhat surprisingly — not bounced around too much more than those of his peers, Manning has compounded his regular-season performances with playoff numbers that have been all over the place. When he was leading the Giants to a pair of Super Bowl victories after the 2007 and 2011 seasons, Manning went a perfect (by definition) 8-0 with a passer rating (100.1) nearly 7 points higher than he ever had in any single regular season of his career. In all of his other postseason appearances combined, he went 0-4 with a rating (61.8) about 8 poin
For such an average quarterback, Manning became a much more extreme version of himself in the playoffs — which worked wonders twice and failed badly on four other occasions. Now, you might expect most Super Bowl-winning QBs to have such a split; after all, the team is also much more likely to win when its starting QB plays better. But even relative to other multi-time Super Bowl winners, Manning stands out. None of them were worse by quarterback rating in their non-Super Bowl winning playoff runs, and only Troy Aikman had a bigger split in QB ratings between years when he won the Super Bowl and years when he didn’t.
I really think the past 3 seasons is what intensified the below average talks the most, but look at the personnel since 2013. I mean seriously, he didn't even have receivers in 2017... With Flowers at his blind side.
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crookedcross said:The Juggler said:crookedcross said:The Juggler said:crookedcross said:The Juggler said:116-117
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/eli-manning-was-an-all-time-average-qb/Eli Manning Was An All-Time Average QB
As we’ve detailed before, the youngest Manning brother has been a very average quarterback over the course of his NFL career. In fact, according to Pro-Football-Reference.com’s advanced passing index, he is one of the most average QBs ever, checking in with a lifetime adjusted net yards per attempt (ANY/A) index of 101 (where 100 is dead-average for the era). Manning’s durability has managed to keep him in the lineup longer than most other passers — more on that later — but on a rate basis, there hasn’t been much special about Manning’s career passing efficiency numbers.
The way Eli got to average, however, was anything but. Among qualified QBs since the merger, Manning is the only one to grade out as average or better by ANY/A while simultaneously rating below average in completion percentage, yards per attempt and interception percentage. He pulled off that feat by being better than average at throwing for touchdowns — and he’s had plenty of memorable TD strikes over the years — while ranking as one of the best in history at avoiding sacks (something else that shows up in his signature moments). Unlike his brother Peyton, who became an all-time legend by excelling in basically the same categories as other great QBs did, Eli did it his own way, as always.
And then there are the epic highs and ignoble lows of Manning’s tenure in New York. Although his yearly efficiency marks have — somewhat surprisingly — not bounced around too much more than those of his peers, Manning has compounded his regular-season performances with playoff numbers that have been all over the place. When he was leading the Giants to a pair of Super Bowl victories after the 2007 and 2011 seasons, Manning went a perfect (by definition) 8-0 with a passer rating (100.1) nearly 7 points higher than he ever had in any single regular season of his career. In all of his other postseason appearances combined, he went 0-4 with a rating (61.8) about 8 poin
For such an average quarterback, Manning became a much more extreme version of himself in the playoffs — which worked wonders twice and failed badly on four other occasions. Now, you might expect most Super Bowl-winning QBs to have such a split; after all, the team is also much more likely to win when its starting QB plays better. But even relative to other multi-time Super Bowl winners, Manning stands out. None of them were worse by quarterback rating in their non-Super Bowl winning playoff runs, and only Troy Aikman had a bigger split in QB ratings between years when he won the Super Bowl and years when he didn’t.
I really think the past 3 seasons is what intensified the below average talks the most, but look at the personnel since 2013. I mean seriously, he didn't even have receivers in 2017... With Flowers at his blind side.
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The Juggler said:crookedcross said:The Juggler said:crookedcross said:The Juggler said:crookedcross said:The Juggler said:116-117
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/eli-manning-was-an-all-time-average-qb/Eli Manning Was An All-Time Average QB
As we’ve detailed before, the youngest Manning brother has been a very average quarterback over the course of his NFL career. In fact, according to Pro-Football-Reference.com’s advanced passing index, he is one of the most average QBs ever, checking in with a lifetime adjusted net yards per attempt (ANY/A) index of 101 (where 100 is dead-average for the era). Manning’s durability has managed to keep him in the lineup longer than most other passers — more on that later — but on a rate basis, there hasn’t been much special about Manning’s career passing efficiency numbers.
The way Eli got to average, however, was anything but. Among qualified QBs since the merger, Manning is the only one to grade out as average or better by ANY/A while simultaneously rating below average in completion percentage, yards per attempt and interception percentage. He pulled off that feat by being better than average at throwing for touchdowns — and he’s had plenty of memorable TD strikes over the years — while ranking as one of the best in history at avoiding sacks (something else that shows up in his signature moments). Unlike his brother Peyton, who became an all-time legend by excelling in basically the same categories as other great QBs did, Eli did it his own way, as always.
And then there are the epic highs and ignoble lows of Manning’s tenure in New York. Although his yearly efficiency marks have — somewhat surprisingly — not bounced around too much more than those of his peers, Manning has compounded his regular-season performances with playoff numbers that have been all over the place. When he was leading the Giants to a pair of Super Bowl victories after the 2007 and 2011 seasons, Manning went a perfect (by definition) 8-0 with a passer rating (100.1) nearly 7 points higher than he ever had in any single regular season of his career. In all of his other postseason appearances combined, he went 0-4 with a rating (61.8) about 8 poin
For such an average quarterback, Manning became a much more extreme version of himself in the playoffs — which worked wonders twice and failed badly on four other occasions. Now, you might expect most Super Bowl-winning QBs to have such a split; after all, the team is also much more likely to win when its starting QB plays better. But even relative to other multi-time Super Bowl winners, Manning stands out. None of them were worse by quarterback rating in their non-Super Bowl winning playoff runs, and only Troy Aikman had a bigger split in QB ratings between years when he won the Super Bowl and years when he didn’t.
I really think the past 3 seasons is what intensified the below average talks the most, but look at the personnel since 2013. I mean seriously, he didn't even have receivers in 2017... With Flowers at his blind side.
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Poncier said:The Juggler said:crookedcross said:The Juggler said:crookedcross said:The Juggler said:crookedcross said:The Juggler said:116-117
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/eli-manning-was-an-all-time-average-qb/Eli Manning Was An All-Time Average QB
I really think the past 3 seasons is what intensified the below average talks the most, but look at the personnel since 2013. I mean seriously, he didn't even have receivers in 2017... With Flowers at his blind side.www.myspace.com0 -
The Juggler said:crookedcross said:The Juggler said:crookedcross said:The Juggler said:crookedcross said:The Juggler said:116-117
I really think the past 3 seasons is what intensified the below average talks the most, but look at the personnel since 2013. I mean seriously, he didn't even have receivers in 2017... With Flowers at his blind side.0 -
tempo_n_groove said:crookedcross said:The Juggler said:crookedcross said:The Juggler said:crookedcross said:The Juggler said:116-117
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/eli-manning-was-an-all-time-average-qb/Eli Manning Was An All-Time Average QB
As we’ve detailed before, the youngest Manning brother has been a very average quarterback over the course of his NFL career. In fact, according to Pro-Football-Reference.com’s advanced passing index, he is one of the most average QBs ever, checking in with a lifetime adjusted net yards per attempt (ANY/A) index of 101 (where 100 is dead-average for the era). Manning’s durability has managed to keep him in the lineup longer than most other passers — more on that later — but on a rate basis, there hasn’t been much special about Manning’s career passing efficiency numbers.
The way Eli got to average, however, was anything but. Among qualified QBs since the merger, Manning is the only one to grade out as average or better by ANY/A while simultaneously rating below average in completion percentage, yards per attempt and interception percentage. He pulled off that feat by being better than average at throwing for touchdowns — and he’s had plenty of memorable TD strikes over the years — while ranking as one of the best in history at avoiding sacks (something else that shows up in his signature moments). Unlike his brother Peyton, who became an all-time legend by excelling in basically the same categories as other great QBs did, Eli did it his own way, as always.
And then there are the epic highs and ignoble lows of Manning’s tenure in New York. Although his yearly efficiency marks have — somewhat surprisingly — not bounced around too much more than those of his peers, Manning has compounded his regular-season performances with playoff numbers that have been all over the place. When he was leading the Giants to a pair of Super Bowl victories after the 2007 and 2011 seasons, Manning went a perfect (by definition) 8-0 with a passer rating (100.1) nearly 7 points higher than he ever had in any single regular season of his career. In all of his other postseason appearances combined, he went 0-4 with a rating (61.8) about 8 poin
For such an average quarterback, Manning became a much more extreme version of himself in the playoffs — which worked wonders twice and failed badly on four other occasions. Now, you might expect most Super Bowl-winning QBs to have such a split; after all, the team is also much more likely to win when its starting QB plays better. But even relative to other multi-time Super Bowl winners, Manning stands out. None of them were worse by quarterback rating in their non-Super Bowl winning playoff runs, and only Troy Aikman had a bigger split in QB ratings between years when he won the Super Bowl and years when he didn’t.
I really think the past 3 seasons is what intensified the below average talks the most, but look at the personnel since 2013. I mean seriously, he didn't even have receivers in 2017... With Flowers at his blind side.
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crookedcross said:The Juggler said:crookedcross said:The Juggler said:crookedcross said:The Juggler said:crookedcross said:The Juggler said:116-117
I really think the past 3 seasons is what intensified the below average talks the most, but look at the personnel since 2013. I mean seriously, he didn't even have receivers in 2017... With Flowers at his blind side.I miss igotid880 -
igotid88 said:crookedcross said:The Juggler said:crookedcross said:The Juggler said:crookedcross said:The Juggler said:crookedcross said:The Juggler said:116-117
I really think the past 3 seasons is what intensified the below average talks the most, but look at the personnel since 2013. I mean seriously, he didn't even have receivers in 2017... With Flowers at his blind side.
Drew Brees gets the ball out in 2.55 seconds. Only one other qb gets the ball out of his hands faster. Eli, actually is actually 8th at 2.66 seconds. Every quarterback in the league is below 3 seconds, statues or not.
https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing/2019/all#average-time-to-throw
Also, not for nothing, but Dan Marino (the most statuesque of all statues) laughs at all your guys' Eli excuses. He had it much worse than Eli had with poorer defenses, poorer running games, and so-so offensive lines at best. Despite all that, his numbers are obviously unreal. That's a sure fire hall of famer. Nobody doubted that.
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