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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    igotid88 said:
    This division might be won with a 7-9 record. And we gave up after the 2nd week. Pisses me off
    Your team is fucking garbage, dude. 
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,650
    The Juggler said:
    igotid88 said:
    This division might be won with a 7-9 record. And we gave up after the 2nd week. Pisses me off
    Your team is fucking garbage, dude. 
    Still. We gave up on the season. 
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    igotid88 said:
    The Juggler said:
    igotid88 said:
    This division might be won with a 7-9 record. And we gave up after the 2nd week. Pisses me off
    Your team is fucking garbage, dude. 
    Still. We gave up on the season. 
    Which was the smart thing to do...
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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,894
    igotid88 said:
    This division might be won with a 7-9 record. And we gave up after the 2nd week. Pisses me off
    Giants weren't getting to 7-9 with Eli or anyone else at QB.
    Take the top 5 draft pick and build the Daniel Jones era.
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,650
    Poncier said:
    igotid88 said:
    This division might be won with a 7-9 record. And we gave up after the 2nd week. Pisses me off
    Giants weren't getting to 7-9 with Eli or anyone else at QB.
    Take the top 5 draft pick and build the Daniel Jones era.
    And the Cowboys and Eagles were supposed to have better records. You never know.
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,650
    edited December 2019
    Eli was on the Giants show. He said he didn't like coaching. He was happy to help Jones. But coaching wasn't for him.
    Also wasn't expecting to be benched so early
    https://www.giants.com/video/player-spotlight-eli-manning-preps-for-starting-role-on-monday-night-football?fbclid=IwAR1rhflXZiR3hd9l49qjP4PVFD-y6gwV0MpZ-VkV4ESUI7B9WSDF7bOvq5g
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    edited December 2019
    igotid88 said:
    Poncier said:
    igotid88 said:
    This division might be won with a 7-9 record. And we gave up after the 2nd week. Pisses me off
    Giants weren't getting to 7-9 with Eli or anyone else at QB.
    Take the top 5 draft pick and build the Daniel Jones era.
    And the Cowboys and Eagles were supposed to have better records. You never know.
    What exactly do you think the Giants record would be with Eli Manning playing all year?

    Jones' numbers this year are actually comparable to Manning's career numbers in some key categories---qb rating is identical, as is completion percentage. He's only 3 td's behind Eli's total last year in 6 less games. 

    I think you're delusional if you think the Giants thought they'd win 9 or so games with Eli and instead tanked. They knew the team was bad with or without Eli at the helm. They actually made the correct decision for once and went with their future qb.

    All that said, I am happy to see Eli tomorrow. His career started at the Linc. It should end there as well.
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  • njnancy
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    I The Juggler said:
    igotid88 said:
    Poncier said:
    igotid88 said:
    This division might be won with a 7-9 record. And we gave up after the 2nd week. Pisses me off
    Giants weren't getting to 7-9 with Eli or anyone else at QB.
    Take the top 5 draft pick and build the Daniel Jones era.
    And the Cowboys and Eagles were supposed to have better records. You never know.
    What exactly do you think the Giants record would be with Eli Manning playing all year?

    Jones' numbers this year are actually comparable to Manning's career numbers in some key categories---qb rating is identical, as is completion percentage. He's only 3 td's behind Eli's total last year in 6 less games. 

    I think you're delusional if you think the Giants thought they'd win 9 or so games with Eli and instead tanked. They knew the team was bad with or without Eli at the helm. They actually made the correct decision for once and went with their future qb.

    All that said, I am happy to see Eli tomorrow. His career started at the Linc. It should end there as well.
    I am SO happy to see him play again.  It's bittersweet. But im going to enjoy this game no matter what happens. 
  • Dr. Delight
    Dr. Delight Posts: 11,210
    As soon as I saw they had that lead at halftime I knew this team would blow it. 
    And so you see, I have come to doubt
    All that I once held as true
    I stand alone without beliefs
    The only truth I know is you.
  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,650
    Solder sucks. Defense can't make a big stop if their life depended on it. Had 2 interceptions that could have ended the game. Eli did well considering he had no protection
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  • crookedcross
    crookedcross Right Near Da Beach, Boiii Posts: 1,546
    igotid88 said:
    Solder sucks. Defense can't make a big stop if their life depended on it. Had 2 interceptions that could have ended the game. Eli did well considering he had no protection
    An action shot of the 62-million-dollar left tackle

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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,650
    edited December 2019
    Rodgers might pass him in TDs this Sunday unless Eli plays
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  • The Juggler
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    116-117


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  • crookedcross
    crookedcross Right Near Da Beach, Boiii Posts: 1,546
    The Juggler said:
    116-117


    Still gonna end up in the Hall of Fame 
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    crookedcross said:
    The Juggler said:
    116-117


    Still gonna end up in the Hall of Fame 
    You win two SB MVP's, it shouldn't even be a debate...
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  • crookedcross
    crookedcross Right Near Da Beach, Boiii Posts: 1,546
    The Juggler said:
    crookedcross said:
    The Juggler said:
    116-117


    Still gonna end up in the Hall of Fame 
    You win two SB MVP's, it shouldn't even be a debate...
    Exactly
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    crookedcross said:
    The Juggler said:
    crookedcross said:
    The Juggler said:
    116-117


    Still gonna end up in the Hall of Fame 
    You win two SB MVP's, it shouldn't even be a debate...
    Exactly
    ...but the reason there is some debate is that he's been average for most of his career outside of those two runs. His career has long interested me. It's unlike most in NFL history:

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/eli-manning-was-an-all-time-average-qb/

    Eli Manning Was An All-Time Average QB

    As we’ve detailed before, the youngest Manning brother has been a very average quarterback over the course of his NFL career. In fact, according to Pro-Football-Reference.com’s advanced passing index, he is one of the most average QBs ever, checking in with a lifetime adjusted net yards per attempt (ANY/A) index of 101 (where 100 is dead-average for the era). Manning’s durability has managed to keep him in the lineup longer than most other passers — more on that later — but on a rate basis, there hasn’t been much special about Manning’s career passing efficiency numbers.

    The way Eli got to average, however, was anything but. Among qualified QBs since the merger, Manning is the only one to grade out as average or better by ANY/A while simultaneously rating below average in completion percentage, yards per attempt and interception percentage. He pulled off that feat by being better than average at throwing for touchdowns — and he’s had plenty of memorable TD strikes over the years — while ranking as one of the best in history at avoiding sacks (something else that shows up in his signature moments). Unlike his brother Peyton, who became an all-time legend by excelling in basically the same categories as other great QBs did, Eli did it his own way, as always.

    And then there are the epic highs and ignoble lows of Manning’s tenure in New York. Although his yearly efficiency marks have — somewhat surprisingly — not bounced around too much more than those of his peers, Manning has compounded his regular-season performances with playoff numbers that have been all over the place. When he was leading the Giants to a pair of Super Bowl victories after the 2007 and 2011 seasons, Manning went a perfect (by definition) 8-0 with a passer rating (100.1) nearly 7 points higher than he ever had in any single regular season of his career. In all of his other postseason appearances combined, he went 0-4 with a rating (61.8) about 8 poin

    For such an average quarterback, Manning became a much more extreme version of himself in the playoffs — which worked wonders twice and failed badly on four other occasions. Now, you might expect most Super Bowl-winning QBs to have such a split; after all, the team is also much more likely to win when its starting QB plays better. But even relative to other multi-time Super Bowl winners, Manning stands out. None of them were worse by quarterback rating in their non-Super Bowl winning playoff runs, and only Troy Aikman had a bigger split in QB ratings between years when he won the Super Bowl and years when he didn’t.



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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,650
    edited December 2019
    He's played with really bad offensive lines for most of his career. Even had bad defenses and special teams that cost them games. He was able to win a Super Bowl with a 31st ranked defense. But that's hardly the case. I mean he lost 3 games to 60+ yard field goals. Lost a game to a punt return td. . That's after getting back the lead. Those are just a few examples.  Unfortunately the qb gets the wins/losses. If he was with the Steelers. He would have a better record.

    But if this is the end. He will be in the top 10 in TDs and Yards. 2 Super Bowls. If Plaxico didn't shoot himself a very good chance for 3.
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