who's starting qb next week?

Certainly not best chance for the Dolphins to contend.
BFlo won't be interested in Eli.

The Juggler said:

Poncier said:

Certainly not best chance for the Dolphins to contend.
BFlo won't be interested in Eli.

And why on earth would he want to end his career there?

He seems like a South Beach nightlife kind of guy.

tempo_n_groove said:

igotid88 said:

Childhood I had Phil Simms. Adulthood I had Eli Manning

Jeff Hoestetler?

Dave Brown?

The Juggler said:

crookedcross said:

The Juggler said:

crookedcross said:

The Juggler said:

116-117

Still gonna end up in the Hall of Fame 

You win two SB MVP's, it shouldn't even be a debate...

Exactly

...but the reason there is some debate is that he's been average for most of his career outside of those two runs. His career has long interested me. It's unlike most in NFL history:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/eli-manning-was-an-all-time-average-qb/

Eli Manning Was An All-Time Average QB

As we’ve detailed before, the youngest Manning brother has been a very average quarterback over the course of his NFL career. In fact, according to Pro-Football-Reference.com’s advanced passing index, he is one of the most average QBs ever, checking in with a lifetime adjusted net yards per attempt (ANY/A) index of 101 (where 100 is dead-average for the era). Manning’s durability has managed to keep him in the lineup longer than most other passers — more on that later — but on a rate basis, there hasn’t been much special about Manning’s career passing efficiency numbers.

The way Eli got to average, however, was anything but. Among qualified QBs since the merger, Manning is the only one to grade out as average or better by ANY/A while simultaneously rating below average in completion percentage, yards per attempt and interception percentage. He pulled off that feat by being better than average at throwing for touchdowns — and he’s had plenty of memorable TD strikes over the years — while ranking as one of the best in history at avoiding sacks (something else that shows up in his signature moments). Unlike his brother Peyton, who became an all-time legend by excelling in basically the same categories as other great QBs did, Eli did it his own way, as always.

And then there are the epic highs and ignoble lows of Manning’s tenure in New York. Although his yearly efficiency marks have — somewhat surprisingly — not bounced around too much more than those of his peers, Manning has compounded his regular-season performances with playoff numbers that have been all over the place. When he was leading the Giants to a pair of Super Bowl victories after the 2007 and 2011 seasons, Manning went a perfect (by definition) 8-0 with a passer rating (100.1) nearly 7 points higher than he ever had in any single regular season of his career. In all of his other postseason appearances combined, he went 0-4 with a rating (61.8) about 8 poin

For such an average quarterback, Manning became a much more extreme version of himself in the playoffs — which worked wonders twice and failed badly on four other occasions. Now, you might expect most Super Bowl-winning QBs to have such a split; after all, the team is also much more likely to win when its starting QB plays better. But even relative to other multi-time Super Bowl winners, Manning stands out. None of them were worse by quarterback rating in their non-Super Bowl winning playoff runs, and only Troy Aikman had a bigger split in QB ratings between years when he won the Super Bowl and years when he didn’t.

Eli is not the QB who can thrive with less than 3 seconds after the snap. Especially with the wideouts he's had in his career. A lot of times his goofy ass is already running for his life right after the snap. He's not extremely accurate, he doesn't have a cannon, but let's be real.. You can't give a statue two seconds in the pocket and expect him to be successful either. Also, not being able to keep defenses honest didn't help. Which is also a reflection of the O-line not being able to create holes for a decent running game. Don't even get me started with the linebackers we've had who can't cover their own shadows. I'm not saying Eli is flawless. He's far from that. However, football is the ultimate team sport where shortcomings from different aspects of the game can cause you to be and/or make you look real bad. 

I really think the past 3 seasons is what intensified the below average talks the most, but look at the personnel since 2013. I mean seriously, he didn't even have receivers in 2017... With Flowers at his blind side.

crookedcross said:

The Juggler said:

crookedcross said:

The Juggler said:

crookedcross said:

The Juggler said:

116-117

Still gonna end up in the Hall of Fame 

You win two SB MVP's, it shouldn't even be a debate...

Exactly

...but the reason there is some debate is that he's been average for most of his career outside of those two runs. His career has long interested me. It's unlike most in NFL history:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/eli-manning-was-an-all-time-average-qb/

Eli Manning Was An All-Time Average QB

As we’ve detailed before, the youngest Manning brother has been a very average quarterback over the course of his NFL career. In fact, according to Pro-Football-Reference.com’s advanced passing index, he is one of the most average QBs ever, checking in with a lifetime adjusted net yards per attempt (ANY/A) index of 101 (where 100 is dead-average for the era). Manning’s durability has managed to keep him in the lineup longer than most other passers — more on that later — but on a rate basis, there hasn’t been much special about Manning’s career passing efficiency numbers.

The way Eli got to average, however, was anything but. Among qualified QBs since the merger, Manning is the only one to grade out as average or better by ANY/A while simultaneously rating below average in completion percentage, yards per attempt and interception percentage. He pulled off that feat by being better than average at throwing for touchdowns — and he’s had plenty of memorable TD strikes over the years — while ranking as one of the best in history at avoiding sacks (something else that shows up in his signature moments). Unlike his brother Peyton, who became an all-time legend by excelling in basically the same categories as other great QBs did, Eli did it his own way, as always.

And then there are the epic highs and ignoble lows of Manning’s tenure in New York. Although his yearly efficiency marks have — somewhat surprisingly — not bounced around too much more than those of his peers, Manning has compounded his regular-season performances with playoff numbers that have been all over the place. When he was leading the Giants to a pair of Super Bowl victories after the 2007 and 2011 seasons, Manning went a perfect (by definition) 8-0 with a passer rating (100.1) nearly 7 points higher than he ever had in any single regular season of his career. In all of his other postseason appearances combined, he went 0-4 with a rating (61.8) about 8 poin

For such an average quarterback, Manning became a much more extreme version of himself in the playoffs — which worked wonders twice and failed badly on four other occasions. Now, you might expect most Super Bowl-winning QBs to have such a split; after all, the team is also much more likely to win when its starting QB plays better. But even relative to other multi-time Super Bowl winners, Manning stands out. None of them were worse by quarterback rating in their non-Super Bowl winning playoff runs, and only Troy Aikman had a bigger split in QB ratings between years when he won the Super Bowl and years when he didn’t.

Eli is not the QB who can thrive with less than 3 seconds after the snap. Especially with the wideouts he's had in his career. A lot of times his goofy ass is already running for his life right after the snap. He's not extremely accurate, he doesn't have a cannon, but let's be real.. You can't give a statue two seconds in the pocket and expect him to be successful either. Also, not being able to keep defenses honest didn't help. Which is also a reflection of the O-line not being able to create holes for a decent running game. Don't even get me started with the linebackers we've had who can't cover their own shadows. I'm not saying Eli is flawless. He's far from that. However, football is the ultimate team sport where shortcomings from different aspects of the game can cause you to be and/or make you look real bad. 

I really think the past 3 seasons is what intensified the below average talks the most, but look at the personnel since 2013. I mean seriously, he didn't even have receivers in 2017... With Flowers at his blind side.

If you're saying Eli needs more than 3 seconds to be successful, that really is not helping your argument man....

Poncier said:

The Juggler said:

crookedcross said:

The Juggler said:

crookedcross said:

The Juggler said:

crookedcross said:

The Juggler said:

116-117

Still gonna end up in the Hall of Fame 

You win two SB MVP's, it shouldn't even be a debate...

Exactly

...but the reason there is some debate is that he's been average for most of his career outside of those two runs. His career has long interested me. It's unlike most in NFL history:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/eli-manning-was-an-all-time-average-qb/

Eli Manning Was An All-Time Average QB

Eli is not the QB who can thrive with less than 3 seconds after the snap. Especially with the wideouts he's had in his career. A lot of times his goofy ass is already running for his life right after the snap. He's not extremely accurate, he doesn't have a cannon, but let's be real.. You can't give a statue two seconds in the pocket and expect him to be successful either. Also, not being able to keep defenses honest didn't help. Which is also a reflection of the O-line not being able to create holes for a decent running game. Don't even get me started with the linebackers we've had who can't cover their own shadows. I'm not saying Eli is flawless. He's far from that. However, football is the ultimate team sport where shortcomings from different aspects of the game can cause you to be and/or make you look real bad. 

I really think the past 3 seasons is what intensified the below average talks the most, but look at the personnel since 2013. I mean seriously, he didn't even have receivers in 2017... With Flowers at his blind side.

If you're saying Eli needs more than 3 seconds to be successful, that really is not helping your argument man....

It's certainly what Mrs. manning has been saying for years.

Poncier...from way downtown....BANG!

tempo_n_groove said:

crookedcross said:

The Juggler said:

crookedcross said:

The Juggler said:

crookedcross said:

The Juggler said:

116-117

Still gonna end up in the Hall of Fame 

You win two SB MVP's, it shouldn't even be a debate...

Exactly

...but the reason there is some debate is that he's been average for most of his career outside of those two runs. His career has long interested me. It's unlike most in NFL history:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/eli-manning-was-an-all-time-average-qb/

Eli Manning Was An All-Time Average QB

As we’ve detailed before, the youngest Manning brother has been a very average quarterback over the course of his NFL career. In fact, according to Pro-Football-Reference.com’s advanced passing index, he is one of the most average QBs ever, checking in with a lifetime adjusted net yards per attempt (ANY/A) index of 101 (where 100 is dead-average for the era). Manning’s durability has managed to keep him in the lineup longer than most other passers — more on that later — but on a rate basis, there hasn’t been much special about Manning’s career passing efficiency numbers.

The way Eli got to average, however, was anything but. Among qualified QBs since the merger, Manning is the only one to grade out as average or better by ANY/A while simultaneously rating below average in completion percentage, yards per attempt and interception percentage. He pulled off that feat by being better than average at throwing for touchdowns — and he’s had plenty of memorable TD strikes over the years — while ranking as one of the best in history at avoiding sacks (something else that shows up in his signature moments). Unlike his brother Peyton, who became an all-time legend by excelling in basically the same categories as other great QBs did, Eli did it his own way, as always.

And then there are the epic highs and ignoble lows of Manning’s tenure in New York. Although his yearly efficiency marks have — somewhat surprisingly — not bounced around too much more than those of his peers, Manning has compounded his regular-season performances with playoff numbers that have been all over the place. When he was leading the Giants to a pair of Super Bowl victories after the 2007 and 2011 seasons, Manning went a perfect (by definition) 8-0 with a passer rating (100.1) nearly 7 points higher than he ever had in any single regular season of his career. In all of his other postseason appearances combined, he went 0-4 with a rating (61.8) about 8 poin

For such an average quarterback, Manning became a much more extreme version of himself in the playoffs — which worked wonders twice and failed badly on four other occasions. Now, you might expect most Super Bowl-winning QBs to have such a split; after all, the team is also much more likely to win when its starting QB plays better. But even relative to other multi-time Super Bowl winners, Manning stands out. None of them were worse by quarterback rating in their non-Super Bowl winning playoff runs, and only Troy Aikman had a bigger split in QB ratings between years when he won the Super Bowl and years when he didn’t.

Eli is not the QB who can thrive with less than 3 seconds after the snap. Especially with the wideouts he's had in his career. A lot of times his goofy ass is already running for his life right after the snap. He's not extremely accurate, he doesn't have a cannon, but let's be real.. You can't give a statue two seconds in the pocket and expect him to be successful either. Also, not being able to keep defenses honest didn't help. Which is also a reflection of the O-line not being able to create holes for a decent running game. Don't even get me started with the linebackers we've had who can't cover their own shadows. I'm not saying Eli is flawless. He's far from that. However, football is the ultimate team sport where shortcomings from different aspects of the game can cause you to be and/or make you look real bad. 

I really think the past 3 seasons is what intensified the below average talks the most, but look at the personnel since 2013. I mean seriously, he didn't even have receivers in 2017... With Flowers at his blind side.

If you follow Eli's career it will look just like Jameis Winstons at this point.  Big yardage, as many interceptions as TD's.  The only thing missing is the rings.

How do you view Winston so far?

One without rings, or clutch moments in meaningful games

igotid88 said:

crookedcross said:

The Juggler said:

crookedcross said:

The Juggler said:

crookedcross said:

The Juggler said:

crookedcross said:

The Juggler said:

116-117

Still gonna end up in the Hall of Fame 

You win two SB MVP's, it shouldn't even be a debate...

Exactly

...but the reason there is some debate is that he's been average for most of his career outside of those two runs. His career has long interested me. It's unlike most in NFL history:

Eli is not the QB who can thrive with less than 3 seconds after the snap. Especially with the wideouts he's had in his career. A lot of times his goofy ass is already running for his life right after the snap. He's not extremely accurate, he doesn't have a cannon, but let's be real.. You can't give a statue two seconds in the pocket and expect him to be successful either. Also, not being able to keep defenses honest didn't help. Which is also a reflection of the O-line not being able to create holes for a decent running game. Don't even get me started with the linebackers we've had who can't cover their own shadows. I'm not saying Eli is flawless. He's far from that. However, football is the ultimate team sport where shortcomings from different aspects of the game can cause you to be and/or make you look real bad. 

I really think the past 3 seasons is what intensified the below average talks the most, but look at the personnel since 2013. I mean seriously, he didn't even have receivers in 2017... With Flowers at his blind side.

If you're saying Eli needs more than 3 seconds to be successful, that really is not helping your argument man....

What do you mean? All statues need at least 2.5 to 3 seconds to be successful. Especially someone who's in a team without a semi-intimidating run game.. and I'm not talking about average TT, that stat is kind of meaningless. I'm talking about opportunities, like the number of times they have time in the pocket. Eli never had the luxury of consistently having time in the pocket. There's maybe 1 or 2 games a season when his line would give him good quality protection all game. 

Every time I see Brees play. He's basically on an island with the amount of time he has sometimes.

I don't see how average TT is meaningless when it takes into account the plays you're talking about when the qb doesn't have time but also the plays they do. It's an average! Eli, it seems, has always been good at getting the ball out of his hands better than most. 

Drew Brees gets the ball out in 2.55 seconds. Only one other qb gets the ball out of his hands faster. Eli, actually is actually 8th at 2.66 seconds. Every quarterback in the league is below 3 seconds, statues or not.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing/2019/all#average-time-to-throw

Also, not for nothing, but Dan Marino (the most statuesque of all statues) laughs at all your guys' Eli excuses. He had it much worse than Eli had with poorer defenses, poorer running games, and so-so offensive lines at best. Despite all that, his numbers are obviously unreal. That's a sure fire hall of famer. Nobody doubted that.