If I didn't know better, I would think certain people are much more concerned with right wing talking points than they are with a president whose behavior is appearing more and more treasonous with every passing day.
But hey, to each his own.
It's a good thing you know better then. But the reality is that I live in a world that is not a bubble. I see how moderates, indys and conservatives think and take in information. I work in financial services which is fiscally conservative by nature, but socially moderate. I read National Review, Reason, Amcon, and others. I care about winning elections. If you think destroying downtown San Jose helped the cause in 16, you're wrong. If you think destroying Minneapolis advances the cause, you're wrong. And if you're not advancing it, your're hurting it.
There's a huge difference in standing up for a principle and resorting to wanton destruction. Stand up for Kap. Stand up to China and the NBA. Stand up for what's right vs wrong. But destroying property isn't right and if you think a riot is a positive thing, you've lost your damned mind.
Destroying downtown San Jose and destroying Minneapolis?
I'll tell you what also doesn't help win elections, hyperbolie like that.
If a Trumper points out burning Maga hats it's pretty easy to counter with Walmart mass shootings.
It's not trump pointing it out, it's the destruction on the evening news.
I'm sure FOX has wall to wall coverage.
FOX gonna be FOX. Especially now that Shep is gone.
Any defense of rioting is rooted in whataboutism.
And fox top rated show has 3.x million viewers. Network news has about 8x that many. If there's looting and rioting, it's going to be on the nightly news where the unconverted get information.
so we fight incitement of violence with advocating for violence now?
great strategy!
last I checked, the red hats at that rally weren't cracking any skulls or firing off any water hoses. the actions of the protesters at that rally are indefensible.
Who’s advocating for violence? I just stated that the deplorables wearing MAGA hats illicit certain responses from certain people and I understand that, particularly when taking the high road has gotten more of Team Trump Treason’s shit rammed down our throats. People ain’t taking it no more and Team Trump Treason and his deplorable supporters and enablers haven’t shown a willingness, never mind acceptance, of compromise or inclusion. If you don’t see it as “us” versus “them and the other,” well, that’s on you.
you are. we all read between the lines, and you think because you are on a liberal forum that it will just get a pass. you think you won't get called on it because your next line will be an accusation of me being ok with sexual assault (which you did already), or the slaughter of thousands of kurds, or the murder of a journalist, or i am a misogynist (you did that one already too) or other things that have nothing to do with the current topic.
"what did peaceful marches get the civil right movement?". that's encouraging or, at the very least, being apologetic towards, violence. a following comment about people in maga hats "should expect a reaction", which you just doubled down on above, is much of the same.
just own it already. don't try to hide behind semantics and play innocent/stupid. you are ok with people stealing others' property and burning it, possibly assaulting that person in the process. come on.how often does stealing someone's hat in a group of politically charged groups not end in assault of some kind?. all because the ends justify the means to you, as you've stated ad nauseum, "both sides are not the same", insinuating that the gloves are off and because of charlotteseville anything democrats do is a-ok in your book and being nice hasn't done shit.
get it through your head. IT'S NOT OK JUST BECAUSE IT'S THE ADVERSARY IS TRUMP. IT NEVER WILL BE.
Would it be okay if it were hitler? And no I’m not advocating violence, just pointing out that sometimes violence is necessary to enact the change you want to see, particularly when given lip service and constantly told to be patient, wait your turn, and take the high road.
You have posted some sexist views and pretty bs opinions. Don’t pretend you haven’t. Own it.
And both sides are not the same, not by a long shot. Yea, I play innocent and stupid, sure.
never once posted anything sexist. that's absolute bullshit and you know it.
Agreed. Halifax check your self without thinking about trump.
Jesus Christ when did it become ok to label other poster with labels like sex ist when you disagree with them?
If you disagree you get a label. You get the “false equivalency” junk, you get all kinds of the words of the day.
It’s clear some are ok with minor crimes as long as it’s their team. I get it, it’s frustrating. Id be tempted. But it’s not right. Hugh is correct and from what I’ve seen on this forums is far from a sexist. So just stop the nonsense labels.
When is it okay to label posters as advocating for violence when the person who posted did nothing of the sort and then accuse them of hiding behind something. Yea it’s fucking old when certain posters complain about the same shit they themselves do and whine about it. There’s a difference between disagreeing and coming across as sexist. That’s lost on some however.
Shall I repost all the “labels” I’ve been labeled?
Oh I know you kept track. Cheetos are your friend. The rest of us haven’t with those labels. But calling someone sexist, racist, etc on here with really no data whatsoever is really disappointing. It’s meant to try and shut them down on any topic. It’s just pretty dumb.
Jesus Christ when did it become ok to label other poster with labels like sex ist when you disagree with them?
If you disagree you get a label. You get the “false equivalency” junk, you get all kinds of the words of the day.
It’s clear some are ok with minor crimes as long as it’s their team. I get it, it’s frustrating. Id be tempted. But it’s not right. Hugh is correct and from what I’ve seen on this forums is far from a sexist. So just stop the nonsense labels.
When is it okay to label posters as advocating for violence when the person who posted did nothing of the sort and then accuse them of hiding behind something. Yea it’s fucking old when certain posters complain about the same shit they themselves do and whine about it. There’s a difference between disagreeing and coming across as sexist. That’s lost on some however.
Shall I repost all the “labels” I’ve been labeled?
Oh I know you kept track. Cheetos are your friend. The rest of us haven’t with those labels. But calling someone sexist, racist, etc on here with really no data whatsoever is really disappointing. It’s meant to try and shut them down on any topic. It’s just pretty dumb.
Facts be facts and acts be acts. The act is getting old of the faux outrage at something I never said, calling for labels and then being bullies. Own your shit. Funny how I didn’t bring up labels tonight, HFC resurrected them from what? A year or more ago? Guilty conscience? God the hypocrisy and pomposity around here is thick.
Yea right? Shouldn’t it be “those with common sense and decency?” It’s always up to the “left” like they’re the sole possessors of virtue and decency. Sorry, but the fucking “right” needs to finally do the right thing. It’s exhausting.
Yea right? Shouldn’t it be “those with common sense and decency?” It’s always up to the “left” like they’re the sole possessors of virtue and decency. Sorry, but the fucking “right” needs to finally do the right thing. It’s exhausting.
Yea right? Shouldn’t it be “those with common sense and decency?” It’s always up to the “left” like they’re the sole possessors of virtue and decency. Sorry, but the fucking “right” needs to finally do the right thing. It’s exhausting.
Whataboutism... failed argument.
Good luck with that high road and meekness as your wish for the other side to change never comes true. “Whataboutism” must be the word of the day. Both sides are the same, you win. Maybe you don’t want the other side to change? Maybe you’re okay with the current shit show? Maybe it’s just a post on a bands forum website?
Yea right? Shouldn’t it be “those with common sense and decency?” It’s always up to the “left” like they’re the sole possessors of virtue and decency. Sorry, but the fucking “right” needs to finally do the right thing. It’s exhausting.
Whataboutism... failed argument.
Good luck with that high road and meekness as your wish for the other side to change never comes true. “Whataboutism” must be the word of the day. Both sides are the same, you win. Maybe you don’t want the other side to change? Maybe you’re okay with the current shit show? Maybe it’s just a post on a bands forum website?
You really think left oriented riots will have a positive effect? All you're doing is supporting your team, regardless of what they do. But I'm the meek one. Perhaps if we were senators, you'd be Graham and I'd be Romney? Stick with your team, no matter what.
Yea right? Shouldn’t it be “those with common sense and decency?” It’s always up to the “left” like they’re the sole possessors of virtue and decency. Sorry, but the fucking “right” needs to finally do the right thing. It’s exhausting.
Democrats possessing virtue and decency should be conditional? Maybe we have a different opinion on what character and integrity are about. In addition, why would using Republican approaches somehow compel Republicans to change their approach?
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so we fight incitement of violence with advocating for violence now?
great strategy!
last I checked, the red hats at that rally weren't cracking any skulls or firing off any water hoses. the actions of the protesters at that rally are indefensible.
Who’s advocating for violence? I just stated that the deplorables wearing MAGA hats illicit certain responses from certain people and I understand that, particularly when taking the high road has gotten more of Team Trump Treason’s shit rammed down our throats. People ain’t taking it no more and Team Trump Treason and his deplorable supporters and enablers haven’t shown a willingness, never mind acceptance, of compromise or inclusion. If you don’t see it as “us” versus “them and the other,” well, that’s on you.
you are. we all read between the lines, and you think because you are on a liberal forum that it will just get a pass. you think you won't get called on it because your next line will be an accusation of me being ok with sexual assault (which you did already), or the slaughter of thousands of kurds, or the murder of a journalist, or i am a misogynist (you did that one already too) or other things that have nothing to do with the current topic.
"what did peaceful marches get the civil right movement?". that's encouraging or, at the very least, being apologetic towards, violence. a following comment about people in maga hats "should expect a reaction", which you just doubled down on above, is much of the same.
just own it already. don't try to hide behind semantics and play innocent/stupid. you are ok with people stealing others' property and burning it, possibly assaulting that person in the process. come on.how often does stealing someone's hat in a group of politically charged groups not end in assault of some kind?. all because the ends justify the means to you, as you've stated ad nauseum, "both sides are not the same", insinuating that the gloves are off and because of charlotteseville anything democrats do is a-ok in your book and being nice hasn't done shit.
get it through your head. IT'S NOT OK JUST BECAUSE IT'S THE ADVERSARY IS TRUMP. IT NEVER WILL BE.
Would it be okay if it were hitler? And no I’m not advocating violence, just pointing out that sometimes violence is necessary to enact the change you want to see, particularly when given lip service and constantly told to be patient, wait your turn, and take the high road.
You have posted some sexist views and pretty bs opinions. Don’t pretend you haven’t. Own it.
And both sides are not the same, not by a long shot. Yea, I play innocent and stupid, sure.
You didn’t bring it up? Just stop. It’s right there.
Jesus Christ when did it become ok to label other poster with labels like sex ist when you disagree with them?
If you disagree you get a label. You get the “false equivalency” junk, you get all kinds of the words of the day.
It’s clear some are ok with minor crimes as long as it’s their team. I get it, it’s frustrating. Id be tempted. But it’s not right. Hugh is correct and from what I’ve seen on this forums is far from a sexist. So just stop the nonsense labels.
When is it okay to label posters as advocating for violence when the person who posted did nothing of the sort and then accuse them of hiding behind something. Yea it’s fucking old when certain posters complain about the same shit they themselves do and whine about it. There’s a difference between disagreeing and coming across as sexist. That’s lost on some however.
Shall I repost all the “labels” I’ve been labeled?
Oh I know you kept track. Cheetos are your friend. The rest of us haven’t with those labels. But calling someone sexist, racist, etc on here with really no data whatsoever is really disappointing. It’s meant to try and shut them down on any topic. It’s just pretty dumb.
don't say anything about their hair either. Yo you better than that.
I guess I don’t understand. If someone is making fun of someone they disagree with politically it’s ok. If it’s trump or the republicans then they are deplorables. Really?
As for the protests against trump and the taking of personal property and burning I stifle a bit. Because I kNow it’s not right and people continue to let trump drag them into the mud. But, the majority of trump supporters have no morals and do crazy bad stuff as well. So I don’t feel bad for them, but I don’t feel good about where the supposed moral high ground has been lowered to.
But to just dismiss the awfulness of taking someone’s hat right off of them and burning it is troublesome to me.
Jesus Christ when did it become ok to label other poster with labels like sex ist when you disagree with them?
If you disagree you get a label. You get the “false equivalency” junk, you get all kinds of the words of the day.
It’s clear some are ok with minor crimes as long as it’s their team. I get it, it’s frustrating. Id be tempted. But it’s not right. Hugh is correct and from what I’ve seen on this forums is far from a sexist. So just stop the nonsense labels.
When is it okay to label posters as advocating for violence when the person who posted did nothing of the sort and then accuse them of hiding behind something. Yea it’s fucking old when certain posters complain about the same shit they themselves do and whine about it. There’s a difference between disagreeing and coming across as sexist. That’s lost on some however.
Shall I repost all the “labels” I’ve been labeled?
Oh I know you kept track. Cheetos are your friend. The rest of us haven’t with those labels. But calling someone sexist, racist, etc on here with really no data whatsoever is really disappointing. It’s meant to try and shut them down on any topic. It’s just pretty dumb.
don't say anything about their hair either. Yo you better than that.
No, we haven't lost our sense of humor like many others in this country.
I guess I don’t understand. If someone is making fun of someone they disagree with politically it’s ok. If it’s trump or the republicans then they are deplorables. Really?
As for the protests against trump and the taking of personal property and burning I stifle a bit. Because I kNow it’s not right and people continue to let trump drag them into the mud. But, the majority of trump supporters have no morals and do crazy bad stuff as well. So I don’t feel bad for them, but I don’t feel good about where the supposed moral high ground has been lowered to.
But to just dismiss the awfulness of taking someone’s hat right off of them and burning it is troublesome to me.
MINNEAPOLIS, ARE YOU GUYS TIRED OF WINNING YET? NEVER EVER GET TIRED OF WINNING. WHERE IS LAW ENFORCEMENT? [APPLAUSE] YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY THE BEST. ---Warm up band singer Eric Trump
People are pissed. 32 of those with real fed the fuck up anger showed up. Are there 32 drunken assholes at a Minnesota Vikings game? How about a Raiders game?
A few of them got inside and blew their whistles and were promptly hauled the fuck out by the locals while Don yelled louder over 'em. During the hauling out the "whistleblowers" were summarily intimidated by those in the aisle seats. Errybody got something to say. So judgey.
I contend the crowd of 18k cheering on the ranting is exponentially more intimidating. They act like victims, but they aren't.
Somali refugees are not the problem. The problem is this fucking guy.
It's not whataboutism or changing the subject. It's statistics. Those 32 aren't the left. Those 18k aren't the majority.
The guy riling them up spitting the rapidfire staccato delivery? That actually is illegal. It's definitely impeachable, but it's cloaked, hidden right there in plain sight.
If I didn't know better, I would think certain people are much more concerned with right wing talking points than they are with a president whose behavior is appearing more and more treasonous with every passing day.
But hey, to each his own.
It's a good thing you know better then. But the reality is that I live in a world that is not a bubble. I see how moderates, indys and conservatives think and take in information. I work in financial services which is fiscally conservative by nature, but socially moderate. I read National Review, Reason, Amcon, and others. I care about winning elections. If you think destroying downtown San Jose helped the cause in 16, you're wrong. If you think destroying Minneapolis advances the cause, you're wrong. And if you're not advancing it, your're hurting it.
There's a huge difference in standing up for a principle and resorting to wanton destruction. Stand up for Kap. Stand up to China and the NBA. Stand up for what's right vs wrong. But destroying property isn't right and if you think a riot is a positive thing, you've lost your damned mind.
Ok, so here’s the thing: I checked National Review, and Reason, and neither one of those outlets is reporting that Minneapolis got destroyed. Nowhere have I read about wanton destruction of property and truth be told I’m not finding too many reports using the word “riot” in reference to what happened in Minneapolis two nights ago. I DID read about the following: *some isolated skirmishes and reports of punches being thrown, including one trump supporter being called a Nazi and getting punched in the back of the head - all completely unacceptable * a trump supporter being spat on - completely unacceptable * reports of objects being thrown at police when they attempted to disperse the crowd - completely unacceptable (USA Today reported one incident of urine being thrown, but no other outlets are reporting it - completely unacceptable if true) * one report of a trump supporter having his maga hat stolen off his head - completely unacceptable if true * reports of maga hats and flags being burned in the street *** *reports of a mostly peaceful day that went sideways at the end forcing police to disperse the crowd w/ pepper spray *several reports of a single (1) arrest and a single (1) citation for disorderly conduct being issued (the local Fox News affiliate was one of the websites I searched for information about this story)
None of these things, or even all of them combined, come close to “destroying Minneapolis” or “wanton destruction.” (If you used that last term only in reference to maga hats being burned in protest, you’re reaching) Also, none of this even comes close to what happened in Charlottesville, if we’re going to go down the road of comparing this to other major protests in recent years.
I welcome any links you can share that may further enlighten me as to what happened Thursday night. Based on what I’ve read however, your comment appears to be little more than hyperbolic nonsense. Hyperbolic nonsense that serves Trump’s agenda by spreading misinformation about the fictional destruction of Minneapolis by “the left.”
I fully support the arrests and prosecution of anyone who broke laws Thursday night. I don’t condone violence or destruction from any political activists, regardless of their allegiance. I also don’t condone the misrepresentation of incidents through the use of hyperbole or exaggeration. If we can’t accurately discuss an incident, how can we respond proportionately?
But hey... congrats on not living in a bubble, I guess.
***I don’t support or advocate the burning of the flag, but my opinion is irrelevant considering it’s protected speech. I would imagine the same applies to the maga hats, provided they weren’t stolen. If they WERE stolen, I fully support the arrest & prosecution of the offenders.
If I didn't know better, I would think certain people are much more concerned with right wing talking points than they are with a president whose behavior is appearing more and more treasonous with every passing day.
But hey, to each his own.
It's a good thing you know better then. But the reality is that I live in a world that is not a bubble. I see how moderates, indys and conservatives think and take in information. I work in financial services which is fiscally conservative by nature, but socially moderate. I read National Review, Reason, Amcon, and others. I care about winning elections. If you think destroying downtown San Jose helped the cause in 16, you're wrong. If you think destroying Minneapolis advances the cause, you're wrong. And if you're not advancing it, your're hurting it.
There's a huge difference in standing up for a principle and resorting to wanton destruction. Stand up for Kap. Stand up to China and the NBA. Stand up for what's right vs wrong. But destroying property isn't right and if you think a riot is a positive thing, you've lost your damned mind.
Ok, so here’s the thing: I checked National Review, and Reason, and neither one of those outlets is reporting that Minneapolis got destroyed. Nowhere have I read about wanton destruction of property and truth be told I’m not finding too many reports using the word “riot” in reference to what happened in Minneapolis two nights ago. I DID read about the following: *some isolated skirmishes and reports of punches being thrown, including one trump supporter being called a Nazi and getting punched in the back of the head - all completely unacceptable * a trump supporter being spat on - completely unacceptable * reports of objects being thrown at police when they attempted to disperse the crowd - completely unacceptable (USA Today reported one incident of urine being thrown, but no other outlets are reporting it - completely unacceptable if true) * one report of a trump supporter having his maga hat stolen off his head - completely unacceptable if true * reports of maga hats and flags being burned in the street *** *reports of a mostly peaceful day that went sideways at the end forcing police to disperse the crowd w/ pepper spray *several reports of a single (1) arrest and a single (1) citation for disorderly conduct being issued (the local Fox News affiliate was one of the websites I searched for information about this story)
None of these things, or even all of them combined, come close to “destroying Minneapolis” or “wanton destruction.” (If you used that last term only in reference to maga hats being burned in protest, you’re reaching) Also, none of this even comes close to what happened in Charlottesville, if we’re going to go down the road of comparing this to other major protests in recent years.
I welcome any links you can share that may further enlighten me as to what happened Thursday night. Based on what I’ve read however, your comment appears to be little more than hyperbolic nonsense. Hyperbolic nonsense that serves Trump’s agenda by spreading misinformation about the fictional destruction of Minneapolis by “the left.”
I fully support the arrests and prosecution of anyone who broke laws Thursday night. I don’t condone violence or destruction from any political activists, regardless of their allegiance. I also don’t condone the misrepresentation of incidents through the use of hyperbole or exaggeration. If we can’t accurately discuss an incident, how can we respond proportionately?
But hey... congrats on not living in a bubble, I guess.
***I don’t support or advocate the burning of the flag, but my opinion is irrelevant considering it’s protected speech. I would imagine the same applies to the maga hats, provided they weren’t stolen. If they WERE stolen, I fully support the arrest & prosecution of the offenders.
Right on brother. But “understanding” how and why the illegal can happen makes you a supporter of violence. And if you don’t believe that sometimes violence becomes necessary to right a wrong(s), then you’re not understanding a whole hell of a lot of US history. It’s all on the “Left,” though.
If I didn't know better, I would think certain people are much more concerned with right wing talking points than they are with a president whose behavior is appearing more and more treasonous with every passing day.
But hey, to each his own.
It's a good thing you know better then. But the reality is that I live in a world that is not a bubble. I see how moderates, indys and conservatives think and take in information. I work in financial services which is fiscally conservative by nature, but socially moderate. I read National Review, Reason, Amcon, and others. I care about winning elections. If you think destroying downtown San Jose helped the cause in 16, you're wrong. If you think destroying Minneapolis advances the cause, you're wrong. And if you're not advancing it, your're hurting it.
There's a huge difference in standing up for a principle and resorting to wanton destruction. Stand up for Kap. Stand up to China and the NBA. Stand up for what's right vs wrong. But destroying property isn't right and if you think a riot is a positive thing, you've lost your damned mind.
Ok, so here’s the thing: I checked National Review, and Reason, and neither one of those outlets is reporting that Minneapolis got destroyed. Nowhere have I read about wanton destruction of property and truth be told I’m not finding too many reports using the word “riot” in reference to what happened in Minneapolis two nights ago. I DID read about the following: *some isolated skirmishes and reports of punches being thrown, including one trump supporter being called a Nazi and getting punched in the back of the head - all completely unacceptable * a trump supporter being spat on - completely unacceptable * reports of objects being thrown at police when they attempted to disperse the crowd - completely unacceptable (USA Today reported one incident of urine being thrown, but no other outlets are reporting it - completely unacceptable if true) * one report of a trump supporter having his maga hat stolen off his head - completely unacceptable if true * reports of maga hats and flags being burned in the street *** *reports of a mostly peaceful day that went sideways at the end forcing police to disperse the crowd w/ pepper spray *several reports of a single (1) arrest and a single (1) citation for disorderly conduct being issued (the local Fox News affiliate was one of the websites I searched for information about this story)
None of these things, or even all of them combined, come close to “destroying Minneapolis” or “wanton destruction.” (If you used that last term only in reference to maga hats being burned in protest, you’re reaching) Also, none of this even comes close to what happened in Charlottesville, if we’re going to go down the road of comparing this to other major protests in recent years.
I welcome any links you can share that may further enlighten me as to what happened Thursday night. Based on what I’ve read however, your comment appears to be little more than hyperbolic nonsense. Hyperbolic nonsense that serves Trump’s agenda by spreading misinformation about the fictional destruction of Minneapolis by “the left.”
I fully support the arrests and prosecution of anyone who broke laws Thursday night. I don’t condone violence or destruction from any political activists, regardless of their allegiance. I also don’t condone the misrepresentation of incidents through the use of hyperbole or exaggeration. If we can’t accurately discuss an incident, how can we respond proportionately?
But hey... congrats on not living in a bubble, I guess.
***I don’t support or advocate the burning of the flag, but my opinion is irrelevant considering it’s protected speech. I would imagine the same applies to the maga hats, provided they weren’t stolen. If they WERE stolen, I fully support the arrest & prosecution of the offenders.
Right on brother. But “understanding” how and why the illegal can happen makes you a supporter of violence. And if you don’t believe that sometimes violence becomes necessary to right a wrong(s), then you’re not understanding a whole hell of a lot of US history. It’s all on the “Left,” though.
I guess I don’t understand. If someone is making fun of someone they disagree with politically it’s ok. If it’s trump or the republicans then they are deplorables. Really?
As for the protests against trump and the taking of personal property and burning I stifle a bit. Because I kNow it’s not right and people continue to let trump drag them into the mud. But, the majority of trump supporters have no morals and do crazy bad stuff as well. So I don’t feel bad for them, but I don’t feel good about where the supposed moral high ground has been lowered to.
But to just dismiss the awfulness of taking someone’s hat right off of them and burning it is troublesome to me.
MINNEAPOLIS, ARE YOU GUYS TIRED OF WINNING YET? NEVER EVER GET TIRED OF WINNING. WHERE IS LAW ENFORCEMENT? [APPLAUSE] YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY THE BEST. ---Warm up band singer Eric Trump
People are pissed. 32 of those with real fed the fuck up anger showed up. Are there 32 drunken assholes at a Minnesota Vikings game? How about a Raiders game?
A few of them got inside and blew their whistles and were promptly hauled the fuck out by the locals while Don yelled louder over 'em. During the hauling out the "whistleblowers" were summarily intimidated by those in the aisle seats. Errybody got something to say. So judgey.
I contend the crowd of 18k cheering on the ranting is exponentially more intimidating. They act like victims, but they aren't.
Somali refugees are not the problem. The problem is this fucking guy.
First of all I never said those people that committed a crime and stole and burned property represented the left. But I will say normalizing that is not good in my opinion either, which is what is being done here.
I agree the much bigger issue is in that stadium or wherever the rally was held.
If I didn't know better, I would think certain people are much more concerned with right wing talking points than they are with a president whose behavior is appearing more and more treasonous with every passing day.
But hey, to each his own.
It's a good thing you know better then. But the reality is that I live in a world that is not a bubble. I see how moderates, indys and conservatives think and take in information. I work in financial services which is fiscally conservative by nature, but socially moderate. I read National Review, Reason, Amcon, and others. I care about winning elections. If you think destroying downtown San Jose helped the cause in 16, you're wrong. If you think destroying Minneapolis advances the cause, you're wrong. And if you're not advancing it, your're hurting it.
There's a huge difference in standing up for a principle and resorting to wanton destruction. Stand up for Kap. Stand up to China and the NBA. Stand up for what's right vs wrong. But destroying property isn't right and if you think a riot is a positive thing, you've lost your damned mind.
Ok, so here’s the thing: I checked National Review, and Reason, and neither one of those outlets is reporting that Minneapolis got destroyed. Nowhere have I read about wanton destruction of property and truth be told I’m not finding too many reports using the word “riot” in reference to what happened in Minneapolis two nights ago. I DID read about the following: *some isolated skirmishes and reports of punches being thrown, including one trump supporter being called a Nazi and getting punched in the back of the head - all completely unacceptable * a trump supporter being spat on - completely unacceptable * reports of objects being thrown at police when they attempted to disperse the crowd - completely unacceptable (USA Today reported one incident of urine being thrown, but no other outlets are reporting it - completely unacceptable if true) * one report of a trump supporter having his maga hat stolen off his head - completely unacceptable if true * reports of maga hats and flags being burned in the street *** *reports of a mostly peaceful day that went sideways at the end forcing police to disperse the crowd w/ pepper spray *several reports of a single (1) arrest and a single (1) citation for disorderly conduct being issued (the local Fox News affiliate was one of the websites I searched for information about this story)
None of these things, or even all of them combined, come close to “destroying Minneapolis” or “wanton destruction.” (If you used that last term only in reference to maga hats being burned in protest, you’re reaching) Also, none of this even comes close to what happened in Charlottesville, if we’re going to go down the road of comparing this to other major protests in recent years.
I welcome any links you can share that may further enlighten me as to what happened Thursday night. Based on what I’ve read however, your comment appears to be little more than hyperbolic nonsense. Hyperbolic nonsense that serves Trump’s agenda by spreading misinformation about the fictional destruction of Minneapolis by “the left.”
I fully support the arrests and prosecution of anyone who broke laws Thursday night. I don’t condone violence or destruction from any political activists, regardless of their allegiance. I also don’t condone the misrepresentation of incidents through the use of hyperbole or exaggeration. If we can’t accurately discuss an incident, how can we respond proportionately?
But hey... congrats on not living in a bubble, I guess.
***I don’t support or advocate the burning of the flag, but my opinion is irrelevant considering it’s protected speech. I would imagine the same applies to the maga hats, provided they weren’t stolen. If they WERE stolen, I fully support the arrest & prosecution of the offenders.
Right on brother. But “understanding” how and why the illegal can happen makes you a supporter of violence. And if you don’t believe that sometimes violence becomes necessary to right a wrong(s), then you’re not understanding a whole hell of a lot of US history. It’s all on the “Left,” though.
Are you sad or mad bro? Feeling attacked? Sorry for your struggle.
If I didn't know better, I would think certain people are much more concerned with right wing talking points than they are with a president whose behavior is appearing more and more treasonous with every passing day.
But hey, to each his own.
It's a good thing you know better then. But the reality is that I live in a world that is not a bubble. I see how moderates, indys and conservatives think and take in information. I work in financial services which is fiscally conservative by nature, but socially moderate. I read National Review, Reason, Amcon, and others. I care about winning elections. If you think destroying downtown San Jose helped the cause in 16, you're wrong. If you think destroying Minneapolis advances the cause, you're wrong. And if you're not advancing it, your're hurting it.
There's a huge difference in standing up for a principle and resorting to wanton destruction. Stand up for Kap. Stand up to China and the NBA. Stand up for what's right vs wrong. But destroying property isn't right and if you think a riot is a positive thing, you've lost your damned mind.
Ok, so here’s the thing: I checked National Review, and Reason, and neither one of those outlets is reporting that Minneapolis got destroyed. Nowhere have I read about wanton destruction of property and truth be told I’m not finding too many reports using the word “riot” in reference to what happened in Minneapolis two nights ago. I DID read about the following: *some isolated skirmishes and reports of punches being thrown, including one trump supporter being called a Nazi and getting punched in the back of the head - all completely unacceptable * a trump supporter being spat on - completely unacceptable * reports of objects being thrown at police when they attempted to disperse the crowd - completely unacceptable (USA Today reported one incident of urine being thrown, but no other outlets are reporting it - completely unacceptable if true) * one report of a trump supporter having his maga hat stolen off his head - completely unacceptable if true * reports of maga hats and flags being burned in the street *** *reports of a mostly peaceful day that went sideways at the end forcing police to disperse the crowd w/ pepper spray *several reports of a single (1) arrest and a single (1) citation for disorderly conduct being issued (the local Fox News affiliate was one of the websites I searched for information about this story)
None of these things, or even all of them combined, come close to “destroying Minneapolis” or “wanton destruction.” (If you used that last term only in reference to maga hats being burned in protest, you’re reaching) Also, none of this even comes close to what happened in Charlottesville, if we’re going to go down the road of comparing this to other major protests in recent years.
I welcome any links you can share that may further enlighten me as to what happened Thursday night. Based on what I’ve read however, your comment appears to be little more than hyperbolic nonsense. Hyperbolic nonsense that serves Trump’s agenda by spreading misinformation about the fictional destruction of Minneapolis by “the left.”
I fully support the arrests and prosecution of anyone who broke laws Thursday night. I don’t condone violence or destruction from any political activists, regardless of their allegiance. I also don’t condone the misrepresentation of incidents through the use of hyperbole or exaggeration. If we can’t accurately discuss an incident, how can we respond proportionately?
But hey... congrats on not living in a bubble, I guess.
***I don’t support or advocate the burning of the flag, but my opinion is irrelevant considering it’s protected speech. I would imagine the same applies to the maga hats, provided they weren’t stolen. If they WERE stolen, I fully support the arrest & prosecution of the offenders.
Right on brother. But “understanding” how and why the illegal can happen makes you a supporter of violence. And if you don’t believe that sometimes violence becomes necessary to right a wrong(s), then you’re not understanding a whole hell of a lot of US history. It’s all on the “Left,” though.
Are you sad or mad bro? Feeling attacked? Sorry for your struggle.
If I didn't know better, I would think certain people are much more concerned with right wing talking points than they are with a president whose behavior is appearing more and more treasonous with every passing day.
But hey, to each his own.
It's a good thing you know better then. But the reality is that I live in a world that is not a bubble. I see how moderates, indys and conservatives think and take in information. I work in financial services which is fiscally conservative by nature, but socially moderate. I read National Review, Reason, Amcon, and others. I care about winning elections. If you think destroying downtown San Jose helped the cause in 16, you're wrong. If you think destroying Minneapolis advances the cause, you're wrong. And if you're not advancing it, your're hurting it.
There's a huge difference in standing up for a principle and resorting to wanton destruction. Stand up for Kap. Stand up to China and the NBA. Stand up for what's right vs wrong. But destroying property isn't right and if you think a riot is a positive thing, you've lost your damned mind.
Ok, so here’s the thing: I checked National Review, and Reason, and neither one of those outlets is reporting that Minneapolis got destroyed. Nowhere have I read about wanton destruction of property and truth be told I’m not finding too many reports using the word “riot” in reference to what happened in Minneapolis two nights ago. I DID read about the following: *some isolated skirmishes and reports of punches being thrown, including one trump supporter being called a Nazi and getting punched in the back of the head - all completely unacceptable * a trump supporter being spat on - completely unacceptable * reports of objects being thrown at police when they attempted to disperse the crowd - completely unacceptable (USA Today reported one incident of urine being thrown, but no other outlets are reporting it - completely unacceptable if true) * one report of a trump supporter having his maga hat stolen off his head - completely unacceptable if true * reports of maga hats and flags being burned in the street *** *reports of a mostly peaceful day that went sideways at the end forcing police to disperse the crowd w/ pepper spray *several reports of a single (1) arrest and a single (1) citation for disorderly conduct being issued (the local Fox News affiliate was one of the websites I searched for information about this story)
None of these things, or even all of them combined, come close to “destroying Minneapolis” or “wanton destruction.” (If you used that last term only in reference to maga hats being burned in protest, you’re reaching) Also, none of this even comes close to what happened in Charlottesville, if we’re going to go down the road of comparing this to other major protests in recent years.
I welcome any links you can share that may further enlighten me as to what happened Thursday night. Based on what I’ve read however, your comment appears to be little more than hyperbolic nonsense. Hyperbolic nonsense that serves Trump’s agenda by spreading misinformation about the fictional destruction of Minneapolis by “the left.”
I fully support the arrests and prosecution of anyone who broke laws Thursday night. I don’t condone violence or destruction from any political activists, regardless of their allegiance. I also don’t condone the misrepresentation of incidents through the use of hyperbole or exaggeration. If we can’t accurately discuss an incident, how can we respond proportionately?
But hey... congrats on not living in a bubble, I guess.
***I don’t support or advocate the burning of the flag, but my opinion is irrelevant considering it’s protected speech. I would imagine the same applies to the maga hats, provided they weren’t stolen. If they WERE stolen, I fully support the arrest & prosecution of the offenders.
Right on brother. But “understanding” how and why the illegal can happen makes you a supporter of violence. And if you don’t believe that sometimes violence becomes necessary to right a wrong(s), then you’re not understanding a whole hell of a lot of US history. It’s all on the “Left,” though.
Are you sad or mad bro? Feeling attacked? Sorry for your struggle.
It's not whataboutism or changing the subject. It's statistics. Those 32 aren't the left. Those 18k aren't the majority.
The guy riling them up spitting the rapidfire staccato delivery? That actually is illegal. It's definitely impeachable, but it's cloaked, hidden right there in plain sight.
I'm not saying they are. I'm saying that destruction does not help the cause and second, the excusing of the behavior by the left hurts it even more. To defend it is to play the same game the right wing does. You guys here are defending the behavior with the argument that the fucks on the right are percentage points worse than the fucks on the left. It's a losing argument.
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And fox top rated show has 3.x million viewers. Network news has about 8x that many. If there's looting and rioting, it's going to be on the nightly news where the unconverted get information.
Ya know, there’s an ignore feature.
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don't say anything about their hair either. Yo you better than that.
As for the protests against trump and the taking of personal property and burning I stifle a bit. Because I kNow it’s not right and people continue to let trump drag them into the mud. But, the majority of trump supporters have no morals and do crazy bad stuff as well. So I don’t feel bad for them, but I don’t feel good about where the supposed moral high ground has been lowered to.
People are pissed. 32 of those with real fed the fuck up anger showed up. Are there 32 drunken assholes at a Minnesota Vikings game? How about a Raiders game?
A few of them got inside and blew their whistles and were promptly hauled the fuck out by the locals while Don yelled louder over 'em.
During the hauling out the "whistleblowers" were summarily intimidated by those in the aisle seats. Errybody got something to say. So judgey.
I contend the crowd of 18k cheering on the ranting is exponentially more intimidating. They act like victims, but they aren't.
Somali refugees are not the problem. The problem is this fucking guy.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?464823-1/president-trump-holds-rally-minneapolis-minnesota&start=3257
The guy riling them up spitting the rapidfire staccato delivery? That actually is illegal.
It's definitely impeachable, but it's cloaked, hidden right there in plain sight.
Speaking of SPIT
I DID read about the following:
*some isolated skirmishes and reports of punches being thrown, including one trump supporter being called a Nazi and getting punched in the back of the head - all completely unacceptable
* a trump supporter being spat on - completely unacceptable
* reports of objects being thrown at police when they attempted to disperse the crowd - completely unacceptable (USA Today reported one incident of urine being thrown, but no other outlets are reporting it - completely unacceptable if true)
* one report of a trump supporter having his maga hat stolen off his head - completely unacceptable if true
* reports of maga hats and flags being burned in the street ***
*reports of a mostly peaceful day that went sideways at the end forcing police to disperse the crowd w/ pepper spray
*several reports of a single (1) arrest and a single (1) citation for disorderly conduct being issued
(the local Fox News affiliate was one of the websites I searched for information about this story)
None of these things, or even all of them combined, come close to “destroying Minneapolis” or “wanton destruction.” (If you used that last term only in reference to maga hats being burned in protest, you’re reaching) Also, none of this even comes close to what happened in Charlottesville, if we’re going to go down the road of comparing this to other major protests in recent years.
I welcome any links you can share that may further enlighten me as to what happened Thursday night. Based on what I’ve read however, your comment appears to be little more than hyperbolic nonsense. Hyperbolic nonsense that serves Trump’s agenda by spreading misinformation about the fictional destruction of Minneapolis by “the left.”
I fully support the arrests and prosecution of anyone who broke laws Thursday night. I don’t condone violence or destruction from any political activists, regardless of their allegiance. I also don’t condone the misrepresentation of incidents through the use of hyperbole or exaggeration. If we can’t accurately discuss an incident, how can we respond proportionately?
But hey... congrats on not living in a bubble, I guess.
***I don’t support or advocate the burning of the flag, but my opinion is irrelevant considering it’s protected speech. I would imagine the same applies to the maga hats, provided they weren’t stolen. If they WERE stolen, I fully support the arrest & prosecution of the offenders.
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I agree the much bigger issue is in that stadium or wherever the rally was held.
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