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  • Renfield
    Renfield NYC NY Posts: 1,054
    edited September 2019

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    Sorry is this is redundant but in case not, seems well worth posting.

    On Facebook, AOC said of Trump:
    "He can stay, he can go.  He can be impeached or voted out in 2020.  But removing Trump will not remove the infrastructure of an entire party that embraced him; the dark money that funded him; the online radicalization that drummed his army; nor the racism he amplified and reanimated."

    Robert Reich said of this:
    "AOC is absolutely right. Trump isn’t the cause of America’s problems — he's the product of years of stagnant wages and big money’s corruption of our democracy, combined with a long legacy of deep-seated racism and bigotry.

    If we really want to stop Trump, we need to address the factors that enabled his rise."

    Excellent points!


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  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    AOC is on point!
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,791

    Trump is only a symptom, he isn’t the disease. 

  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    brianlux said:
    Sorry is this is redundant but in case not, seems well worth posting.

    On Facebook, AOC said of Trump:
    "He can stay, he can go.  He can be impeached or voted out in 2020.  But removing Trump will not remove the infrastructure of an entire party that embraced him; the dark money that funded him; the online radicalization that drummed his army; nor the racism he amplified and reanimated."

    Robert Reich said of this:
    "AOC is absolutely right. Trump isn’t the cause of America’s problems — he's the product of years of stagnant wages and big money’s corruption of our democracy, combined with a long legacy of deep-seated racism and bigotry.

    If we really want to stop Trump, we need to address the factors that enabled his rise."

    Excellent points!


    I don't agree that Trump is in office due to stagnant wages. I find that a bit silly honestly.  Trump leveraged celebrity culture with the textbook traits of a demagogue.  There have been plenty of those in history regardless of economic system in place. He took advantage of the current strain of populism and nativism which has popped at points of heavy immigration and cultural change.  It happened in the mid 19th century,  early 20th and now. I agree with point 2 mildly,  but only on the edges.  Obviously agree with 3. That's the big one. 

    The party consolidating behind him was years of purity politics combined with the natural desire to keep your job. 
  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    So this happened.  I think the calculus may be different this afternoon.  

    RNC Chairwoman McDaniel: Calls for impeaching Trump are baseless


    After all of the Democrats’ hype and political grandstanding surrounding the whistleblower complaint about President Trump’s phone call with the president of Ukraine, we are once again left with what we already knew: their calls for impeachment are baseless.

    The president beat them at their own game by choosing to be completely transparent with the American people. In releasing the transcript of his phone call with President Volodymyr Zelensky, Trump showed that he had nothing to hide.


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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    She made those points on a Fox News show called (literally) "Outnumbered"


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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    “From Russia with love and a https://apple.news/ATdWNv3_BRsO2t41P0FSOOA

    all the way to impeachment.”
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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,534
    Annnd here we go:

    https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/20190812_-_whistleblower_complaint_unclass.pdf
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,192
    He has to be fucked here....his closest advisers knew it was wrong and tried to bury it.  


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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    Gern Blansten said:
    He has to be fucked here....his closest advisers knew it was wrong and tried to bury it.  


    Man oh man do I hope Rudy gets pressure and flips on this to protect himself. 
    hippiemom = goodness
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,919
    Gern Blansten said:
    He has to be fucked here....his closest advisers knew it was wrong and tried to bury it.  


    yup, trying to and moving the transcripts of the calls. this is nixon-esque. 
  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    Nixon = Trump
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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,919
    cincybearcat said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    He has to be fucked here....his closest advisers knew it was wrong and tried to bury it.  


    Man oh man do I hope Rudy gets pressure and flips on this to protect himself. 
    Rudy better lawyer up
  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    Resign already.  Today.
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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,534
    Holy fucking god this is the best 9 pages I've ever read. I feel like there's enough here to access all of the info entered in to the NSC database.

    I hold out no hope that he's removed from office, but I'd like to be surprised.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    pjhawks said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    He has to be fucked here....his closest advisers knew it was wrong and tried to bury it.  


    Man oh man do I hope Rudy gets pressure and flips on this to protect himself. 
    Rudy better lawyer up
    Better get a better lawyer than he is.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    I feel like eventually Trump is going to try and throw Rudy in front of this bus.....I hope it happens....
    hippiemom = goodness
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    Gern Blansten said:
    He has to be fucked here....his closest advisers knew it was wrong and tried to bury it.  


    This is truly wrong but he will skate out of this one too.

    Somewhere someone mentioned that Trump doesn't see what he did wrong and that is a problem.  Yes it is.  Certain things he does he ALWAYS thinks are ok.

    When you have a person that has done what he wants all his life it's hard for him to see what is right or wrong.

    Hopefully he goes down now.

    I'm all for the impeachment.
  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    mmm   Trumpito talking points....

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