The Democratic Candidates
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nvm. Can be interpreted wrong on here.Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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Nah, I just threw the polling data in there to scare the capitalists that the commies are going to take over.Lerxst1992 said:dignin said:
Extreme left?Lerxst1992 said:^ its bizarre that the extreme left is fighting natural gas as it is the biggest reason we have reduced greenhouse gases because it replaces high carbon and dirty coal.
As there is no scalable solution for renewable heat currently, its inexcusable the media has not asked the simple solution for eliminating gas to the candidates
As an example, consider the new arena about to be constructed at Belmont.
NYS is at maximum pipeline capacity for gas and is currently not taking on new customers.
Environmentalists have paused a new pipeline that would bring in supply through the Ocean.
Since that pipe is delayed, the only alternative for large new developments like Belmont is propane, which is very dangerous because it needs hundreds of trucks on our highways, is highly flammable, and stays close to the ground in the event of an accident.
The other alternative is oil, which has the same dangerous transport issues and its dirtier than gas to boot.
So by the environmentalists rallying to stop a NYC pipeline, they have created a more dangerous and dirtier environment.
Politicians like Liz Warren have joined the anti gas initiative with zero solutions for today.
Replacing a demagogue with another one like Liz is no solution.
Zero Solutions?
Demagogue?
Some might say your opinion is extreme.Elizabeth Warren rises as Joe Biden clings to delegate edge — CBS News Battleground Tracker
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/democratic-polls-2020-elizabeth-warren-rises-as-joe-biden-clings-to-delegate-edge-cbs-news-battleground-tracker/
You are countering with polling data? You understand dem primary delegates do not represent general election voters?
Its Warren's job to provide solutions not create more problems.
If socialist healthcare and significantly driving up the cost of heat without proving the industry is understood, the extremist tag on Warren fits like a glove.Post edited by dignin on0 -
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About a year out, so I don’t read to much into this, but it’s a small sample and kind of interesting considering Warren polling second nationally.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/campaign-polls/460759-poll-all-2020-democrats-but-warren-beat-trump-in-new-hampshire%3Famp
Detroit 2000, Detroit 2003 1-2, Grand Rapids VFC 2004, Philly 2005, Grand Rapids 2006, Detroit 2006, Cleveland 2006, Lollapalooza 2007, Detroit Eddie Solo 2011, Detroit 2014, Chicago 2016 1-2, Chicago 2018 1-2, Ohana Encore 2021 1-2, Chicago Eddie/Earthlings 2022 1-2, Nashville 2022, St. Louis 2022
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Seems like an outlier poll, but at 1000 respondents, that's half the state.Hi! said:About a year out, so I don’t read to much into this, but it’s a small sample and kind of interesting considering Warren polling second nationally.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/campaign-polls/460759-poll-all-2020-democrats-but-warren-beat-trump-in-new-hampshire%3Famp0 -
The only electoral vote Trump has a shot at in New England is from that rural congressional district in Maine. Liz Warren or any other Democrat will beat him in New Hampshire and everywhere else.___________________________________________
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Hi! said:About a year out, so I don’t read to much into this, but it’s a small sample and kind of interesting considering Warren polling second nationally.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/campaign-polls/460759-poll-all-2020-democrats-but-warren-beat-trump-in-new-hampshire%3FampPoll: Warren now leads Trump by 7 points among registered voters after tying him in July
https://theweek.com/speedreads/864170/poll-warren-now-leads-trump-by-7-points-among-registered-voters-after-tying-july
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Ya see I hate these, though. Can someone point me to the details? Because what I'm seeing is this is over many states? These kind of polls are terrible because I can't reiterate enough that the Presidential is abnormal from every other race in the country since it's 50 individual races masked to look like one.dignin said:Hi! said:About a year out, so I don’t read to much into this, but it’s a small sample and kind of interesting considering Warren polling second nationally.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/campaign-polls/460759-poll-all-2020-democrats-but-warren-beat-trump-in-new-hampshire%3FampPoll: Warren now leads Trump by 7 points among registered voters after tying him in July
https://theweek.com/speedreads/864170/poll-warren-now-leads-trump-by-7-points-among-registered-voters-after-tying-july
As for the poll in The Hill - it is far out, MOE is 3% so in theory anyone in that range can move one way or another. And as for the outlier there could also be something there since the majority of the other polls are saying otherwise, though Emerson is a decent poll. Especially when narrowed for primaries only. The only reason NH matters so much is for the primary, and this poll is directed at a General. Moral of the story to me is hopefully no one is taking for granted the campaigning that will need to happen post-primary.
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It's a poll showing Warren moving up in popular support. It's more about the direction, not about the actual numbers. Just like every other poll.Jearlpam0925 said:
Ya see I hate these, though. Can someone point me to the details? Because what I'm seeing is this is over many states? These kind of polls are terrible because I can't reiterate enough that the Presidential is abnormal from every other race in the country since it's 50 individual races masked to look like one.dignin said:Hi! said:About a year out, so I don’t read to much into this, but it’s a small sample and kind of interesting considering Warren polling second nationally.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/campaign-polls/460759-poll-all-2020-democrats-but-warren-beat-trump-in-new-hampshire%3FampPoll: Warren now leads Trump by 7 points among registered voters after tying him in July
https://theweek.com/speedreads/864170/poll-warren-now-leads-trump-by-7-points-among-registered-voters-after-tying-july
As for the poll in The Hill - it is far out, MOE is 3% so in theory anyone in that range can move one way or another. And as for the outlier there could also be something there since the majority of the other polls are saying otherwise, though Emerson is a decent poll. Especially when narrowed for primaries only. The only reason NH matters so much is for the primary, and this poll is directed at a General. Moral of the story to me is hopefully no one is taking for granted the campaigning that will need to happen post-primary.
The more people get to know about her the better off she will be. I can't say that about a lot of the other candidates in this race.0 -
It's also important to throw shade on the false narrative that only Biden can beat Trump.
Everyone likes to back a winner.0 -
That is a narrative I can agree with, I just don't like national polls of popularity for this race pitting one candidate (any of them) against Fuckface. Hillary won that election.dignin said:
It's a poll showing Warren moving up in popular support. It's more about the direction, not about the actual numbers. Just like every other poll.Jearlpam0925 said:
Ya see I hate these, though. Can someone point me to the details? Because what I'm seeing is this is over many states? These kind of polls are terrible because I can't reiterate enough that the Presidential is abnormal from every other race in the country since it's 50 individual races masked to look like one.dignin said:Hi! said:About a year out, so I don’t read to much into this, but it’s a small sample and kind of interesting considering Warren polling second nationally.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/campaign-polls/460759-poll-all-2020-democrats-but-warren-beat-trump-in-new-hampshire%3FampPoll: Warren now leads Trump by 7 points among registered voters after tying him in July
https://theweek.com/speedreads/864170/poll-warren-now-leads-trump-by-7-points-among-registered-voters-after-tying-july
As for the poll in The Hill - it is far out, MOE is 3% so in theory anyone in that range can move one way or another. And as for the outlier there could also be something there since the majority of the other polls are saying otherwise, though Emerson is a decent poll. Especially when narrowed for primaries only. The only reason NH matters so much is for the primary, and this poll is directed at a General. Moral of the story to me is hopefully no one is taking for granted the campaigning that will need to happen post-primary.
The more people get to know about her the better off she will be. I can't say that about a lot of the other candidates in this race.0 -
There's lots of false shade.. this one deals with the fact that the media and twitter is not reflective of the Democratic coalition in age, education or region. And it has a lot of truth to it.dignin said:It's also important to throw shade on the false narrative that only Biden can beat Trump.
Everyone likes to back a winner.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/11/joe-biden-media-2020-1488835
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Social media / Twitter is a cesspool. Not reflective of the general population. You will get no disagreement from me there.mrussel1 said:
There's lots of false shade.. this one deals with the fact that the media and twitter is not reflective of the Democratic coalition in age, education or region. And it has a lot of truth to it.dignin said:It's also important to throw shade on the false narrative that only Biden can beat Trump.
Everyone likes to back a winner.
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What's funny, and not in any way trying to be a smart ass, but I don't think I'm going out on a limb in saying that I'm fairly tapped into at least my local politics (Philly's politics and the surrounding area) and I've never seen a candidate get so much traditional support from the local politicos (ward leaders, Dem City & State Committee) and the sheer amount of money his team is pouring in (his national HQ is here for christsakes) - and his support, at least here, from a non-entrenched Dem level is no where near where he thinks it is. It's not a stretch to say he will lose this city.mrussel1 said:
There's lots of false shade.. this one deals with the fact that the media and twitter is not reflective of the Democratic coalition in age, education or region. And it has a lot of truth to it.dignin said:It's also important to throw shade on the false narrative that only Biden can beat Trump.
Everyone likes to back a winner.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/11/joe-biden-media-2020-1488835
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On primary day or in the general election?Jearlpam0925 said:
What's funny, and not in any way trying to be a smart ass, but I don't think I'm going out on a limb in saying that I'm fairly tapped into at least my local politics (Philly's politics and the surrounding area) and I've never seen a candidate get so much traditional support from the local politicos (ward leaders, Dem City & State Committee) and the sheer amount of money his team is pouring in (his national HQ is here for christsakes) - and his support, at least here, from a non-entrenched Dem level is no where near where he thinks it is. It's not a stretch to say he will lose this city.mrussel1 said:
There's lots of false shade.. this one deals with the fact that the media and twitter is not reflective of the Democratic coalition in age, education or region. And it has a lot of truth to it.dignin said:It's also important to throw shade on the false narrative that only Biden can beat Trump.
Everyone likes to back a winner.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/11/joe-biden-media-2020-1488835___________________________________________
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What about the suburbs and ex-burbs. That's where PA will be won and lost.Jearlpam0925 said:
What's funny, and not in any way trying to be a smart ass, but I don't think I'm going out on a limb in saying that I'm fairly tapped into at least my local politics (Philly's politics and the surrounding area) and I've never seen a candidate get so much traditional support from the local politicos (ward leaders, Dem City & State Committee) and the sheer amount of money his team is pouring in (his national HQ is here for christsakes) - and his support, at least here, from a non-entrenched Dem level is no where near where he thinks it is. It's not a stretch to say he will lose this city.mrussel1 said:
There's lots of false shade.. this one deals with the fact that the media and twitter is not reflective of the Democratic coalition in age, education or region. And it has a lot of truth to it.dignin said:It's also important to throw shade on the false narrative that only Biden can beat Trump.
Everyone likes to back a winner.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/11/joe-biden-media-2020-14888350 -
Good point - I was going to caveat that, of course, no matter who the Dem is Philly will be incredibly Blue for the General. What I wanted to further elaborate on is the Philly suburbs, which are your typical suburbs of any major city - soccer moms, highly educated women, specifically (a major base that's growing). My gut is Liz is going to kill it with them based on what I know her team is planning around here in those towns.JimmyV said:
On primary day or in the general election?Jearlpam0925 said:
What's funny, and not in any way trying to be a smart ass, but I don't think I'm going out on a limb in saying that I'm fairly tapped into at least my local politics (Philly's politics and the surrounding area) and I've never seen a candidate get so much traditional support from the local politicos (ward leaders, Dem City & State Committee) and the sheer amount of money his team is pouring in (his national HQ is here for christsakes) - and his support, at least here, from a non-entrenched Dem level is no where near where he thinks it is. It's not a stretch to say he will lose this city.mrussel1 said:
There's lots of false shade.. this one deals with the fact that the media and twitter is not reflective of the Democratic coalition in age, education or region. And it has a lot of truth to it.dignin said:It's also important to throw shade on the false narrative that only Biden can beat Trump.
Everyone likes to back a winner.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/11/joe-biden-media-2020-1488835Post edited by Jearlpam0925 on0 -
See above. I also disagree. PA can be made up in Philly alone. I forget the number now, but I want to say PA was decided by ~44k. That can be made up here on its own. But, yes, I do not discount the need to get the women/moms in the 'burbs.mrussel1 said:
What about the suburbs and ex-burbs. That's where PA will be won and lost.Jearlpam0925 said:
What's funny, and not in any way trying to be a smart ass, but I don't think I'm going out on a limb in saying that I'm fairly tapped into at least my local politics (Philly's politics and the surrounding area) and I've never seen a candidate get so much traditional support from the local politicos (ward leaders, Dem City & State Committee) and the sheer amount of money his team is pouring in (his national HQ is here for christsakes) - and his support, at least here, from a non-entrenched Dem level is no where near where he thinks it is. It's not a stretch to say he will lose this city.mrussel1 said:
There's lots of false shade.. this one deals with the fact that the media and twitter is not reflective of the Democratic coalition in age, education or region. And it has a lot of truth to it.dignin said:It's also important to throw shade on the false narrative that only Biden can beat Trump.
Everyone likes to back a winner.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/11/joe-biden-media-2020-14888350 -
Suburban men vote too, as does Pittsburgh. Winning women by 20 and losing men by 25 is not a great recipe for a win.Jearlpam0925 said:
See above. I also disagree. PA can be made up in Philly alone. I forget the number now, but I want to say PA was decided by ~44k. That can be made up here on its own. But, yes, I do not discount the need to get the women/moms in the 'burbs.mrussel1 said:
What about the suburbs and ex-burbs. That's where PA will be won and lost.Jearlpam0925 said:
What's funny, and not in any way trying to be a smart ass, but I don't think I'm going out on a limb in saying that I'm fairly tapped into at least my local politics (Philly's politics and the surrounding area) and I've never seen a candidate get so much traditional support from the local politicos (ward leaders, Dem City & State Committee) and the sheer amount of money his team is pouring in (his national HQ is here for christsakes) - and his support, at least here, from a non-entrenched Dem level is no where near where he thinks it is. It's not a stretch to say he will lose this city.mrussel1 said:
There's lots of false shade.. this one deals with the fact that the media and twitter is not reflective of the Democratic coalition in age, education or region. And it has a lot of truth to it.dignin said:It's also important to throw shade on the false narrative that only Biden can beat Trump.
Everyone likes to back a winner.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/11/joe-biden-media-2020-14888350
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