I think a Warren candidacy will drive more Trump voters and his base to the polls compared to Biden. I worry about a Warren presidency could be divisive for the country and feel Biden would be a best bet at a return to normalcy and our best shot at maybe passing through some more progressive legislation.
Anybody think the Senator from California will be making amends with Biden during the next debate and perhaps make a play for VP?
I think she burned that bridge. Give me some Tulsi!
I think a Warren candidacy will drive more Trump voters and his base to the polls compared to Biden. I worry about a Warren presidency could be divisive for the country and feel Biden would be a best bet at a return to normalcy and our best shot at maybe passing through some more progressive legislation.
Anybody think the Senator from California will be making amends with Biden during the next debate and perhaps make a play for VP?
I think she burned that bridge. Give me some Tulsi!
I can dig it.
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Climate forum on right now I think. Probably smoke one and go watch✌️
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I don't think Lex meant the God statement literally.
Regarding your other point, she has said she's a capitalist, however her policies never focus on that. If she latches on to M4A, which effectively eliminates private insurance, it will be difficult to shake that accusation regardless if what she claims she is.
Thanks mr. I think you nailed it.
The god help us all was a shout of love and desperation to the beloved Hank Moody ("god hates us all")
If Warren insists on forcing us to give up insurance she will be tagged as a socialist no matter what she claims to be.
It's getting very scary how many are forgetting how effective the trump GOP was at setting the narrative and making attacks stick.
Let's not help him with 100% socialist policies.
Trump and the GOP will label and hammer Biden as an old man losing his mind.
You really shouldn't concern yourself too much with what the GOP is gonna do. The GOP is gonna do what it does whether you like it or not.
There's a big difference between accusing someone of being old, and accusing them of having a plan to raise tax rates to 40% and eliminate private insurance. No one's going back to Trump if they think he's a douche just because Joe Biden has some gaffs. People will go back to Trump if they think their taxes are doubling and they have to wait in line for doctors.
You really don't think the attacks on Hillary's health in 2016 were effective?
No, not really. The attacks that worked were related to the Comey stuff. I also think the Bernie thing depressed turnout because the party never really coalesced. But either way, Trump was an unknown entity in 2016. Now he has a record he has to defend, so I don't think the calculus is even close to being the same.
Okay, here's Trump's record then. I tried to take away your health care, and still want to.
That's an easy counter attack any democratic candidate (including Warren) can make, and I think convincingly.
Yes, he tried to kill Obamacare, but 1. it hasn't happened and 2. Obamacare is generally not used by what you would consider swing voters, those in the suburbs of PA, OH, MI, etc. Most Americans are on private insurance and receive it through work, not the exchange. Obamacare covered the gap between medicaid users and those with employee based insurance. That was important to be sure, but when faced with a vote of continuing to strip away Obamacare or going M4A, I think Trump would be happy with that election choice. He's very vulnerable on healthcare and making the election a referendum on M4A would be exactly the issue he needs to go on the offensive.
M4A may come to the US one day, but I don't believe it's political wise to make 2020 about that issue. The election must be about Trump and his fitness for office.
I disagree. I think the eventual Democratic nominee should run on a positive inspirational platform. Something to get people excited and motivated to vote.
I don't think running on a platform about how bad Trump is is going to do that. I think you run the risk of people staying home, just like in 2016.
I don't think Lex meant the God statement literally.
Regarding your other point, she has said she's a capitalist, however her policies never focus on that. If she latches on to M4A, which effectively eliminates private insurance, it will be difficult to shake that accusation regardless if what she claims she is.
Thanks mr. I think you nailed it.
The god help us all was a shout of love and desperation to the beloved Hank Moody ("god hates us all")
If Warren insists on forcing us to give up insurance she will be tagged as a socialist no matter what she claims to be.
It's getting very scary how many are forgetting how effective the trump GOP was at setting the narrative and making attacks stick.
Let's not help him with 100% socialist policies.
Trump and the GOP will label and hammer Biden as an old man losing his mind.
You really shouldn't concern yourself too much with what the GOP is gonna do. The GOP is gonna do what it does whether you like it or not.
There's a big difference between accusing someone of being old, and accusing them of having a plan to raise tax rates to 40% and eliminate private insurance. No one's going back to Trump if they think he's a douche just because Joe Biden has some gaffs. People will go back to Trump if they think their taxes are doubling and they have to wait in line for doctors.
You really don't think the attacks on Hillary's health in 2016 were effective?
No, not really. The attacks that worked were related to the Comey stuff. I also think the Bernie thing depressed turnout because the party never really coalesced. But either way, Trump was an unknown entity in 2016. Now he has a record he has to defend, so I don't think the calculus is even close to being the same.
Okay, here's Trump's record then. I tried to take away your health care, and still want to.
That's an easy counter attack any democratic candidate (including Warren) can make, and I think convincingly.
Yes, he tried to kill Obamacare, but 1. it hasn't happened and 2. Obamacare is generally not used by what you would consider swing voters, those in the suburbs of PA, OH, MI, etc. Most Americans are on private insurance and receive it through work, not the exchange. Obamacare covered the gap between medicaid users and those with employee based insurance. That was important to be sure, but when faced with a vote of continuing to strip away Obamacare or going M4A, I think Trump would be happy with that election choice. He's very vulnerable on healthcare and making the election a referendum on M4A would be exactly the issue he needs to go on the offensive.
M4A may come to the US one day, but I don't believe it's political wise to make 2020 about that issue. The election must be about Trump and his fitness for office.
I disagree. I think the eventual Democratic nominee should run on a positive inspirational platform. Something to get people excited and motivated to vote.
I don't think running on a platform about how bad Trump is is going to do that. I think you run the risk of people staying home, just like in 2016.
Understand your point, and I can agree. But the 2018 midterms were a referendum on Trump and the turnout was massive for both sides, yet D's overwhelmed the R's.
I don't think Lex meant the God statement literally.
Regarding your other point, she has said she's a capitalist, however her policies never focus on that. If she latches on to M4A, which effectively eliminates private insurance, it will be difficult to shake that accusation regardless if what she claims she is.
Thanks mr. I think you nailed it.
The god help us all was a shout of love and desperation to the beloved Hank Moody ("god hates us all")
If Warren insists on forcing us to give up insurance she will be tagged as a socialist no matter what she claims to be.
It's getting very scary how many are forgetting how effective the trump GOP was at setting the narrative and making attacks stick.
Let's not help him with 100% socialist policies.
Trump and the GOP will label and hammer Biden as an old man losing his mind.
You really shouldn't concern yourself too much with what the GOP is gonna do. The GOP is gonna do what it does whether you like it or not.
There's a big difference between accusing someone of being old, and accusing them of having a plan to raise tax rates to 40% and eliminate private insurance. No one's going back to Trump if they think he's a douche just because Joe Biden has some gaffs. People will go back to Trump if they think their taxes are doubling and they have to wait in line for doctors.
You really don't think the attacks on Hillary's health in 2016 were effective?
No, not really. The attacks that worked were related to the Comey stuff. I also think the Bernie thing depressed turnout because the party never really coalesced. But either way, Trump was an unknown entity in 2016. Now he has a record he has to defend, so I don't think the calculus is even close to being the same.
Okay, here's Trump's record then. I tried to take away your health care, and still want to.
That's an easy counter attack any democratic candidate (including Warren) can make, and I think convincingly.
Yes, he tried to kill Obamacare, but 1. it hasn't happened and 2. Obamacare is generally not used by what you would consider swing voters, those in the suburbs of PA, OH, MI, etc. Most Americans are on private insurance and receive it through work, not the exchange. Obamacare covered the gap between medicaid users and those with employee based insurance. That was important to be sure, but when faced with a vote of continuing to strip away Obamacare or going M4A, I think Trump would be happy with that election choice. He's very vulnerable on healthcare and making the election a referendum on M4A would be exactly the issue he needs to go on the offensive.
M4A may come to the US one day, but I don't believe it's political wise to make 2020 about that issue. The election must be about Trump and his fitness for office.
I disagree. I think the eventual Democratic nominee should run on a positive inspirational platform. Something to get people excited and motivated to vote.
I don't think running on a platform about how bad Trump is is going to do that. I think you run the risk of people staying home, just like in 2016.
I think we are going to need a little of both. I don’t think a lot of people realized how bad Trump was when he first ran. We have plenty of evidence now and it won’t hurt to remind people how bad he is.
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I don't think Lex meant the God statement literally.
Regarding your other point, she has said she's a capitalist, however her policies never focus on that. If she latches on to M4A, which effectively eliminates private insurance, it will be difficult to shake that accusation regardless if what she claims she is.
Thanks mr. I think you nailed it.
The god help us all was a shout of love and desperation to the beloved Hank Moody ("god hates us all")
If Warren insists on forcing us to give up insurance she will be tagged as a socialist no matter what she claims to be.
It's getting very scary how many are forgetting how effective the trump GOP was at setting the narrative and making attacks stick.
Let's not help him with 100% socialist policies.
Trump and the GOP will label and hammer Biden as an old man losing his mind.
You really shouldn't concern yourself too much with what the GOP is gonna do. The GOP is gonna do what it does whether you like it or not.
There's a big difference between accusing someone of being old, and accusing them of having a plan to raise tax rates to 40% and eliminate private insurance. No one's going back to Trump if they think he's a douche just because Joe Biden has some gaffs. People will go back to Trump if they think their taxes are doubling and they have to wait in line for doctors.
You really don't think the attacks on Hillary's health in 2016 were effective?
No, not really. The attacks that worked were related to the Comey stuff. I also think the Bernie thing depressed turnout because the party never really coalesced. But either way, Trump was an unknown entity in 2016. Now he has a record he has to defend, so I don't think the calculus is even close to being the same.
Okay, here's Trump's record then. I tried to take away your health care, and still want to.
That's an easy counter attack any democratic candidate (including Warren) can make, and I think convincingly.
Yes, he tried to kill Obamacare, but 1. it hasn't happened and 2. Obamacare is generally not used by what you would consider swing voters, those in the suburbs of PA, OH, MI, etc. Most Americans are on private insurance and receive it through work, not the exchange. Obamacare covered the gap between medicaid users and those with employee based insurance. That was important to be sure, but when faced with a vote of continuing to strip away Obamacare or going M4A, I think Trump would be happy with that election choice. He's very vulnerable on healthcare and making the election a referendum on M4A would be exactly the issue he needs to go on the offensive.
M4A may come to the US one day, but I don't believe it's political wise to make 2020 about that issue. The election must be about Trump and his fitness for office.
I disagree. I think the eventual Democratic nominee should run on a positive inspirational platform. Something to get people excited and motivated to vote.
I don't think running on a platform about how bad Trump is is going to do that. I think you run the risk of people staying home, just like in 2016.
Understand your point, and I can agree. But the 2018 midterms were a referendum on Trump and the turnout was massive for both sides, yet D's overwhelmed the R's.
That is a good point, and could very well be true.
But on the other side of the coin I do remember hearing about how a lot of individual democratic candidates in 2018 made a point of not running against Trump (especially in areas Trump won in 2016 ) and focused their platforms around what the GOP was up to at the time, tax cuts for the rich and trying to kill the affordable care act.
I really think pointing out how bad Trump is should obviously work, it should be a winning strategy, but that POS stays steady in the polls no matter what he does.
Trump's re-election team is on record talking about how they want the election to go really dirty. And that should give progressives pause. Depressing the turnout works in their favour, as I'm sure we all understand. I don't want Democrats to make that possible mistake.
Biden in this town hall tonight has the potential to be quite a spectacle. I’m actually nervous about it, lol.
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Klobuchar is a reasonable, smart, level headed, human being/candidate. Biden up next, god help us, lol.
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Well, (lol)I thought he did fine. Exceeded expectations. Unfortunately there was a little blip that’s already making headlines, so we know how that’s gonna go. He might not be making a fundraiser scheduled for tomorrow.
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Jfc, it was going so well. Looks like two little blips.
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What gains more traction? Bloody eye or Confusion Over fundraiser with fossil fuel execs.
When I was watching I kept thinking, That doesn’t look good, but he doesn’t seem in pain. Maybe nobody will notice.
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What gains more traction? Bloody eye or Confusion Over fundraiser with fossil fuel execs.
When I was watching I kept thinking, That doesn’t look good, but he doesn’t seem in pain. Maybe nobody will notice.
I thought the person was not an executive.
Was or is? I have no idea. Might be different rules or expectations depending on sec filings. I’ll have to look into some more, but just the perception or whatever doesn’t look good.
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I don't think Lex meant the God statement literally.
Regarding your other point, she has said she's a capitalist, however her policies never focus on that. If she latches on to M4A, which effectively eliminates private insurance, it will be difficult to shake that accusation regardless if what she claims she is.
Thanks mr. I think you nailed it.
The god help us all was a shout of love and desperation to the beloved Hank Moody ("god hates us all")
If Warren insists on forcing us to give up insurance she will be tagged as a socialist no matter what she claims to be.
It's getting very scary how many are forgetting how effective the trump GOP was at setting the narrative and making attacks stick.
Let's not help him with 100% socialist policies.
Trump and the GOP will label and hammer Biden as an old man losing his mind.
You really shouldn't concern yourself too much with what the GOP is gonna do. The GOP is gonna do what it does whether you like it or not.
There's a big difference between accusing someone of being old, and accusing them of having a plan to raise tax rates to 40% and eliminate private insurance. No one's going back to Trump if they think he's a douche just because Joe Biden has some gaffs. People will go back to Trump if they think their taxes are doubling and they have to wait in line for doctors.
You really don't think the attacks on Hillary's health in 2016 were effective?
No, not really. The attacks that worked were related to the Comey stuff. I also think the Bernie thing depressed turnout because the party never really coalesced. But either way, Trump was an unknown entity in 2016. Now he has a record he has to defend, so I don't think the calculus is even close to being the same.
Okay, here's Trump's record then. I tried to take away your health care, and still want to.
That's an easy counter attack any democratic candidate (including Warren) can make, and I think convincingly.
Yes, he tried to kill Obamacare, but 1. it hasn't happened and 2. Obamacare is generally not used by what you would consider swing voters, those in the suburbs of PA, OH, MI, etc. Most Americans are on private insurance and receive it through work, not the exchange. Obamacare covered the gap between medicaid users and those with employee based insurance. That was important to be sure, but when faced with a vote of continuing to strip away Obamacare or going M4A, I think Trump would be happy with that election choice. He's very vulnerable on healthcare and making the election a referendum on M4A would be exactly the issue he needs to go on the offensive.
M4A may come to the US one day, but I don't believe it's political wise to make 2020 about that issue. The election must be about Trump and his fitness for office.
I disagree. I think the eventual Democratic nominee should run on a positive inspirational platform. Something to get people excited and motivated to vote.
I don't think running on a platform about how bad Trump is is going to do that. I think you run the risk of people staying home, just like in 2016.
I think you can because at the time no one knew what trump was going to do. it was all conjecture. now they have 4 years of bullshit to throw at the wall, and almost all of it is likely to stick.
I do think, though, you need a healthy balance. Lots of people vote the negatives, but many stay home if they have no idea what your platform is, so the message needs to be two-pronged.
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
I don't think Lex meant the God statement literally.
Regarding your other point, she has said she's a capitalist, however her policies never focus on that. If she latches on to M4A, which effectively eliminates private insurance, it will be difficult to shake that accusation regardless if what she claims she is.
Thanks mr. I think you nailed it.
The god help us all was a shout of love and desperation to the beloved Hank Moody ("god hates us all")
If Warren insists on forcing us to give up insurance she will be tagged as a socialist no matter what she claims to be.
It's getting very scary how many are forgetting how effective the trump GOP was at setting the narrative and making attacks stick.
Let's not help him with 100% socialist policies.
Trump and the GOP will label and hammer Biden as an old man losing his mind.
You really shouldn't concern yourself too much with what the GOP is gonna do. The GOP is gonna do what it does whether you like it or not.
There's a big difference between accusing someone of being old, and accusing them of having a plan to raise tax rates to 40% and eliminate private insurance. No one's going back to Trump if they think he's a douche just because Joe Biden has some gaffs. People will go back to Trump if they think their taxes are doubling and they have to wait in line for doctors.
You really don't think the attacks on Hillary's health in 2016 were effective?
No, not really. The attacks that worked were related to the Comey stuff. I also think the Bernie thing depressed turnout because the party never really coalesced. But either way, Trump was an unknown entity in 2016. Now he has a record he has to defend, so I don't think the calculus is even close to being the same.
Okay, here's Trump's record then. I tried to take away your health care, and still want to.
That's an easy counter attack any democratic candidate (including Warren) can make, and I think convincingly.
Yes, he tried to kill Obamacare, but 1. it hasn't happened and 2. Obamacare is generally not used by what you would consider swing voters, those in the suburbs of PA, OH, MI, etc. Most Americans are on private insurance and receive it through work, not the exchange. Obamacare covered the gap between medicaid users and those with employee based insurance. That was important to be sure, but when faced with a vote of continuing to strip away Obamacare or going M4A, I think Trump would be happy with that election choice. He's very vulnerable on healthcare and making the election a referendum on M4A would be exactly the issue he needs to go on the offensive.
M4A may come to the US one day, but I don't believe it's political wise to make 2020 about that issue. The election must be about Trump and his fitness for office.
I disagree. I think the eventual Democratic nominee should run on a positive inspirational platform. Something to get people excited and motivated to vote.
I don't think running on a platform about how bad Trump is is going to do that. I think you run the risk of people staying home, just like in 2016.
I think you can because at the time no one knew what trump was going to do. it was all conjecture. now they have 4 years of bullshit to throw at the wall, and almost all of it is likely to stick.
I do think, though, you need a healthy balance. Lots of people vote the negatives, but many stay home if they have no idea what your platform is, so the message needs to be two-pronged.
People are simply tired of Trump. They will be even more tired of him next year. Whoever the candidate is needs to emphasize how exhausted we all are.
I don't think Lex meant the God statement literally.
Regarding your other point, she has said she's a capitalist, however her policies never focus on that. If she latches on to M4A, which effectively eliminates private insurance, it will be difficult to shake that accusation regardless if what she claims she is.
Thanks mr. I think you nailed it.
The god help us all was a shout of love and desperation to the beloved Hank Moody ("god hates us all")
If Warren insists on forcing us to give up insurance she will be tagged as a socialist no matter what she claims to be.
It's getting very scary how many are forgetting how effective the trump GOP was at setting the narrative and making attacks stick.
Let's not help him with 100% socialist policies.
Trump and the GOP will label and hammer Biden as an old man losing his mind.
You really shouldn't concern yourself too much with what the GOP is gonna do. The GOP is gonna do what it does whether you like it or not.
There's a big difference between accusing someone of being old, and accusing them of having a plan to raise tax rates to 40% and eliminate private insurance. No one's going back to Trump if they think he's a douche just because Joe Biden has some gaffs. People will go back to Trump if they think their taxes are doubling and they have to wait in line for doctors.
You really don't think the attacks on Hillary's health in 2016 were effective?
No, not really. The attacks that worked were related to the Comey stuff. I also think the Bernie thing depressed turnout because the party never really coalesced. But either way, Trump was an unknown entity in 2016. Now he has a record he has to defend, so I don't think the calculus is even close to being the same.
Okay, here's Trump's record then. I tried to take away your health care, and still want to.
That's an easy counter attack any democratic candidate (including Warren) can make, and I think convincingly.
Yes, he tried to kill Obamacare, but 1. it hasn't happened and 2. Obamacare is generally not used by what you would consider swing voters, those in the suburbs of PA, OH, MI, etc. Most Americans are on private insurance and receive it through work, not the exchange. Obamacare covered the gap between medicaid users and those with employee based insurance. That was important to be sure, but when faced with a vote of continuing to strip away Obamacare or going M4A, I think Trump would be happy with that election choice. He's very vulnerable on healthcare and making the election a referendum on M4A would be exactly the issue he needs to go on the offensive.
M4A may come to the US one day, but I don't believe it's political wise to make 2020 about that issue. The election must be about Trump and his fitness for office.
I disagree. I think the eventual Democratic nominee should run on a positive inspirational platform. Something to get people excited and motivated to vote.
I don't think running on a platform about how bad Trump is is going to do that. I think you run the risk of people staying home, just like in 2016.
I think you can because at the time no one knew what trump was going to do. it was all conjecture. now they have 4 years of bullshit to throw at the wall, and almost all of it is likely to stick.
I do think, though, you need a healthy balance. Lots of people vote the negatives, but many stay home if they have no idea what your platform is, so the message needs to be two-pronged.
People are simply tired of Trump. They will be even more tired of him next year. Whoever the candidate is needs to emphasize how exhausted we all are.
Agree with both of you. And exhausted is precisely right.
I don't think Lex meant the God statement literally.
Regarding your other point, she has said she's a capitalist, however her policies never focus on that. If she latches on to M4A, which effectively eliminates private insurance, it will be difficult to shake that accusation regardless if what she claims she is.
Thanks mr. I think you nailed it.
The god help us all was a shout of love and desperation to the beloved Hank Moody ("god hates us all")
If Warren insists on forcing us to give up insurance she will be tagged as a socialist no matter what she claims to be.
It's getting very scary how many are forgetting how effective the trump GOP was at setting the narrative and making attacks stick.
Let's not help him with 100% socialist policies.
Trump and the GOP will label and hammer Biden as an old man losing his mind.
You really shouldn't concern yourself too much with what the GOP is gonna do. The GOP is gonna do what it does whether you like it or not.
There's a big difference between accusing someone of being old, and accusing them of having a plan to raise tax rates to 40% and eliminate private insurance. No one's going back to Trump if they think he's a douche just because Joe Biden has some gaffs. People will go back to Trump if they think their taxes are doubling and they have to wait in line for doctors.
You really don't think the attacks on Hillary's health in 2016 were effective?
No, not really. The attacks that worked were related to the Comey stuff. I also think the Bernie thing depressed turnout because the party never really coalesced. But either way, Trump was an unknown entity in 2016. Now he has a record he has to defend, so I don't think the calculus is even close to being the same.
Okay, here's Trump's record then. I tried to take away your health care, and still want to.
That's an easy counter attack any democratic candidate (including Warren) can make, and I think convincingly.
Yes, he tried to kill Obamacare, but 1. it hasn't happened and 2. Obamacare is generally not used by what you would consider swing voters, those in the suburbs of PA, OH, MI, etc. Most Americans are on private insurance and receive it through work, not the exchange. Obamacare covered the gap between medicaid users and those with employee based insurance. That was important to be sure, but when faced with a vote of continuing to strip away Obamacare or going M4A, I think Trump would be happy with that election choice. He's very vulnerable on healthcare and making the election a referendum on M4A would be exactly the issue he needs to go on the offensive.
M4A may come to the US one day, but I don't believe it's political wise to make 2020 about that issue. The election must be about Trump and his fitness for office.
I disagree. I think the eventual Democratic nominee should run on a positive inspirational platform. Something to get people excited and motivated to vote.
I don't think running on a platform about how bad Trump is is going to do that. I think you run the risk of people staying home, just like in 2016.
I think you can because at the time no one knew what trump was going to do. it was all conjecture. now they have 4 years of bullshit to throw at the wall, and almost all of it is likely to stick.
I do think, though, you need a healthy balance. Lots of people vote the negatives, but many stay home if they have no idea what your platform is, so the message needs to be two-pronged.
People are simply tired of Trump. They will be even more tired of him next year. Whoever the candidate is needs to emphasize how exhausted we all are.
Agree with both of you. And exhausted is precisely right.
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I don't think Lex meant the God statement literally.
Regarding your other point, she has said she's a capitalist, however her policies never focus on that. If she latches on to M4A, which effectively eliminates private insurance, it will be difficult to shake that accusation regardless if what she claims she is.
Thanks mr. I think you nailed it.
The god help us all was a shout of love and desperation to the beloved Hank Moody ("god hates us all")
If Warren insists on forcing us to give up insurance she will be tagged as a socialist no matter what she claims to be.
It's getting very scary how many are forgetting how effective the trump GOP was at setting the narrative and making attacks stick.
Let's not help him with 100% socialist policies.
Trump and the GOP will label and hammer Biden as an old man losing his mind.
You really shouldn't concern yourself too much with what the GOP is gonna do. The GOP is gonna do what it does whether you like it or not.
There's a big difference between accusing someone of being old, and accusing them of having a plan to raise tax rates to 40% and eliminate private insurance. No one's going back to Trump if they think he's a douche just because Joe Biden has some gaffs. People will go back to Trump if they think their taxes are doubling and they have to wait in line for doctors.
You really don't think the attacks on Hillary's health in 2016 were effective?
No, not really. The attacks that worked were related to the Comey stuff. I also think the Bernie thing depressed turnout because the party never really coalesced. But either way, Trump was an unknown entity in 2016. Now he has a record he has to defend, so I don't think the calculus is even close to being the same.
Okay, here's Trump's record then. I tried to take away your health care, and still want to.
That's an easy counter attack any democratic candidate (including Warren) can make, and I think convincingly.
Yes, he tried to kill Obamacare, but 1. it hasn't happened and 2. Obamacare is generally not used by what you would consider swing voters, those in the suburbs of PA, OH, MI, etc. Most Americans are on private insurance and receive it through work, not the exchange. Obamacare covered the gap between medicaid users and those with employee based insurance. That was important to be sure, but when faced with a vote of continuing to strip away Obamacare or going M4A, I think Trump would be happy with that election choice. He's very vulnerable on healthcare and making the election a referendum on M4A would be exactly the issue he needs to go on the offensive.
M4A may come to the US one day, but I don't believe it's political wise to make 2020 about that issue. The election must be about Trump and his fitness for office.
I disagree. I think the eventual Democratic nominee should run on a positive inspirational platform. Something to get people excited and motivated to vote.
I don't think running on a platform about how bad Trump is is going to do that. I think you run the risk of people staying home, just like in 2016.
I think you can because at the time no one knew what trump was going to do. it was all conjecture. now they have 4 years of bullshit to throw at the wall, and almost all of it is likely to stick.
I do think, though, you need a healthy balance. Lots of people vote the negatives, but many stay home if they have no idea what your platform is, so the message needs to be two-pronged.
People are simply tired of Trump. They will be even more tired of him next year. Whoever the candidate is needs to emphasize how exhausted we all are.
Agree with both of you. And exhausted is precisely right.
and they need to be energetic while they do it...
I can envision one of the tv spots: just a quick hit of a ton of the iconic dumb, racist, misogynistic, anti democratic, idiotic, tweets and soundbites ending with "ENOUGH. VOTE. 11/3/2020."
I don't think Lex meant the God statement literally.
Regarding your other point, she has said she's a capitalist, however her policies never focus on that. If she latches on to M4A, which effectively eliminates private insurance, it will be difficult to shake that accusation regardless if what she claims she is.
Thanks mr. I think you nailed it.
The god help us all was a shout of love and desperation to the beloved Hank Moody ("god hates us all")
If Warren insists on forcing us to give up insurance she will be tagged as a socialist no matter what she claims to be.
It's getting very scary how many are forgetting how effective the trump GOP was at setting the narrative and making attacks stick.
Let's not help him with 100% socialist policies.
Trump and the GOP will label and hammer Biden as an old man losing his mind.
You really shouldn't concern yourself too much with what the GOP is gonna do. The GOP is gonna do what it does whether you like it or not.
There's a big difference between accusing someone of being old, and accusing them of having a plan to raise tax rates to 40% and eliminate private insurance. No one's going back to Trump if they think he's a douche just because Joe Biden has some gaffs. People will go back to Trump if they think their taxes are doubling and they have to wait in line for doctors.
You really don't think the attacks on Hillary's health in 2016 were effective?
No, not really. The attacks that worked were related to the Comey stuff. I also think the Bernie thing depressed turnout because the party never really coalesced. But either way, Trump was an unknown entity in 2016. Now he has a record he has to defend, so I don't think the calculus is even close to being the same.
Okay, here's Trump's record then. I tried to take away your health care, and still want to.
That's an easy counter attack any democratic candidate (including Warren) can make, and I think convincingly.
Yes, he tried to kill Obamacare, but 1. it hasn't happened and 2. Obamacare is generally not used by what you would consider swing voters, those in the suburbs of PA, OH, MI, etc. Most Americans are on private insurance and receive it through work, not the exchange. Obamacare covered the gap between medicaid users and those with employee based insurance. That was important to be sure, but when faced with a vote of continuing to strip away Obamacare or going M4A, I think Trump would be happy with that election choice. He's very vulnerable on healthcare and making the election a referendum on M4A would be exactly the issue he needs to go on the offensive.
M4A may come to the US one day, but I don't believe it's political wise to make 2020 about that issue. The election must be about Trump and his fitness for office.
I disagree. I think the eventual Democratic nominee should run on a positive inspirational platform. Something to get people excited and motivated to vote.
I don't think running on a platform about how bad Trump is is going to do that. I think you run the risk of people staying home, just like in 2016.
I think you can because at the time no one knew what trump was going to do. it was all conjecture. now they have 4 years of bullshit to throw at the wall, and almost all of it is likely to stick.
I do think, though, you need a healthy balance. Lots of people vote the negatives, but many stay home if they have no idea what your platform is, so the message needs to be two-pronged.
People are simply tired of Trump. They will be even more tired of him next year. Whoever the candidate is needs to emphasize how exhausted we all are.
Agree with both of you. And exhausted is precisely right.
and they need to be energetic while they do it...
I can envision one of the tv spots: just a quick hit of a ton of the iconic dumb, racist, misogynistic, anti democratic, idiotic, tweets and soundbites ending with "ENOUGH. VOTE. 11/3/2020."
Yes. Cut through the bullshit and get to the truth.
I don't think Lex meant the God statement literally.
Regarding your other point, she has said she's a capitalist, however her policies never focus on that. If she latches on to M4A, which effectively eliminates private insurance, it will be difficult to shake that accusation regardless if what she claims she is.
Thanks mr. I think you nailed it.
The god help us all was a shout of love and desperation to the beloved Hank Moody ("god hates us all")
If Warren insists on forcing us to give up insurance she will be tagged as a socialist no matter what she claims to be.
It's getting very scary how many are forgetting how effective the trump GOP was at setting the narrative and making attacks stick.
Let's not help him with 100% socialist policies.
Trump and the GOP will label and hammer Biden as an old man losing his mind.
You really shouldn't concern yourself too much with what the GOP is gonna do. The GOP is gonna do what it does whether you like it or not.
There's a big difference between accusing someone of being old, and accusing them of having a plan to raise tax rates to 40% and eliminate private insurance. No one's going back to Trump if they think he's a douche just because Joe Biden has some gaffs. People will go back to Trump if they think their taxes are doubling and they have to wait in line for doctors.
You really don't think the attacks on Hillary's health in 2016 were effective?
No, not really. The attacks that worked were related to the Comey stuff. I also think the Bernie thing depressed turnout because the party never really coalesced. But either way, Trump was an unknown entity in 2016. Now he has a record he has to defend, so I don't think the calculus is even close to being the same.
Okay, here's Trump's record then. I tried to take away your health care, and still want to.
That's an easy counter attack any democratic candidate (including Warren) can make, and I think convincingly.
Yes, he tried to kill Obamacare, but 1. it hasn't happened and 2. Obamacare is generally not used by what you would consider swing voters, those in the suburbs of PA, OH, MI, etc. Most Americans are on private insurance and receive it through work, not the exchange. Obamacare covered the gap between medicaid users and those with employee based insurance. That was important to be sure, but when faced with a vote of continuing to strip away Obamacare or going M4A, I think Trump would be happy with that election choice. He's very vulnerable on healthcare and making the election a referendum on M4A would be exactly the issue he needs to go on the offensive.
M4A may come to the US one day, but I don't believe it's political wise to make 2020 about that issue. The election must be about Trump and his fitness for office.
I disagree. I think the eventual Democratic nominee should run on a positive inspirational platform. Something to get people excited and motivated to vote.
I don't think running on a platform about how bad Trump is is going to do that. I think you run the risk of people staying home, just like in 2016.
I think you can because at the time no one knew what trump was going to do. it was all conjecture. now they have 4 years of bullshit to throw at the wall, and almost all of it is likely to stick.
I do think, though, you need a healthy balance. Lots of people vote the negatives, but many stay home if they have no idea what your platform is, so the message needs to be two-pronged.
People are simply tired of Trump. They will be even more tired of him next year. Whoever the candidate is needs to emphasize how exhausted we all are.
Agree with both of you. And exhausted is precisely right.
and they need to be energetic while they do it...
I can envision one of the tv spots: just a quick hit of a ton of the iconic dumb, racist, misogynistic, anti democratic, idiotic, tweets and soundbites ending with "ENOUGH. VOTE. 11/3/2020."
that's actually an excellent suggestion. simple. to the point. effective.
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I didn’t watch Colbert, but read a quick little article. Biden shouldn’t make jokes about Michelle as vp. Unless....
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Probably smoke one and go watch✌️
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I don't think running on a platform about how bad Trump is is going to do that. I think you run the risk of people staying home, just like in 2016.
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But on the other side of the coin I do remember hearing about how a lot of individual democratic candidates in 2018 made a point of not running against Trump (especially in areas Trump won in 2016 ) and focused their platforms around what the GOP was up to at the time, tax cuts for the rich and trying to kill the affordable care act.
I really think pointing out how bad Trump is should obviously work, it should be a winning strategy, but that POS stays steady in the polls no matter what he does.
Trump's re-election team is on record talking about how they want the election to go really dirty. And that should give progressives pause. Depressing the turnout works in their favour, as I'm sure we all understand. I don't want Democrats to make that possible mistake.
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Biden up next, god help us, lol.
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Confusion Over fundraiser with fossil fuel execs.
When I was watching I kept thinking, That doesn’t look good, but he doesn’t seem in pain. Maybe nobody will notice.
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I do think, though, you need a healthy balance. Lots of people vote the negatives, but many stay home if they have no idea what your platform is, so the message needs to be two-pronged.
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