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  • RoleModelsinBlood31
    RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,242
    I’m pro-choice and all for a woman’s right to choose but I’d like to choose where my tax dollars go.  More for education and less for things like PP.  Abortions should cost enough that they don’t need my $$ for someone else’s choice to abort a baby. I don’t like when this gov’t makes my decisions for me.  Damn you govt.  ok I’m out of this convo.
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  • mbowers
    mbowers Posts: 109
    Neil Young isn't listed either.  Both have played Voters for Choice shows.  I'm sure there's some reason, but I wouldn't worry about changes in opinion.
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,582
    It’s possible they reached out to everyone and many went to junk folders or bands/artists didn’t get back to management in time to confirm. I’m sure this list will grow. But if it doesn’t, we shouldn’t assume artists don’t support it. 

    We know PJs history, we know where they land
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,531
    Tim Simmons said:
    shecky said:
    cblock4life said:
    Not too long ago Jill Vedder posted Ed during unplugged on mtv writing “pro choice” on his arm and told her daughters that their father was fighting for women long before they were born and how proud they should be. Not sure about anyone else but the Vedders seem to still support PP and women no matter what.

    There are many people that think that a full-term baby should be able to be aborted literally the day before it is due to be born. 
    OK, but let’s be clear, that’s about 1% of abortions and usually its related to the mothers health or the baby's viability. It's never someone peacing out on being pregnant. 



    Thing is you have to draw the line somewhere when you're writing law. I think 20-25 weeks with exceptions for viability/mother's physical health like you said is the way to go. Even a handful of people peacing out at 38-39 is ghoulish. 
  • cblock4life
    cblock4life Posts: 1,855
    shecky said:
    cblock4life said:
    Not too long ago Jill Vedder posted Ed during unplugged on mtv writing “pro choice” on his arm and told her daughters that their father was fighting for women long before they were born and how proud they should be. Not sure about anyone else but the Vedders seem to still support PP and women no matter what.

    Well, I'm glad we are able to have friendly and civil discussions about a heavy topic like this. I believe in abortion rights for women, but with some sensible time limitations. There are many people that think that a full-term baby should be able to be aborted literally the day before it is due to be born. I just can't agree with that extreme position. And, I'm always confused by statements like: " ...fighting for women...". My question is, who is fighting for the baby woman, i.e. the full-term baby girl, who has no voice whatsoever in this decision and will never get to be born and become a woman? Doesn't anyone care about her?
    To avoid confusion please don’t think I was implying that I know anything about their feelings on abortion term limitations.  When I stated that they support PP and women no matter what I meant and should have said they appear to support all kinds of causes for women.  
    I hope this clarifies my comment and yes, it is quite mature to have this conversation without insulting or degrading each other. 
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,582
    pjl44 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    shecky said:
    cblock4life said:
    Not too long ago Jill Vedder posted Ed during unplugged on mtv writing “pro choice” on his arm and told her daughters that their father was fighting for women long before they were born and how proud they should be. Not sure about anyone else but the Vedders seem to still support PP and women no matter what.

    There are many people that think that a full-term baby should be able to be aborted literally the day before it is due to be born. 
    OK, but let’s be clear, that’s about 1% of abortions and usually its related to the mothers health or the baby's viability. It's never someone peacing out on being pregnant. 



    Thing is you have to draw the line somewhere when you're writing law. I think 20-25 weeks with exceptions for viability/mother's physical health like you said is the way to go. Even a handful of people peacing out at 38-39 is ghoulish. 
    No doubt. And I agree. But they seem to be more the exception, and it not best to let the exception make the rule.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,531
    Tim Simmons said:
    pjl44 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    shecky said:
    cblock4life said:
    Not too long ago Jill Vedder posted Ed during unplugged on mtv writing “pro choice” on his arm and told her daughters that their father was fighting for women long before they were born and how proud they should be. Not sure about anyone else but the Vedders seem to still support PP and women no matter what.

    There are many people that think that a full-term baby should be able to be aborted literally the day before it is due to be born. 
    OK, but let’s be clear, that’s about 1% of abortions and usually its related to the mothers health or the baby's viability. It's never someone peacing out on being pregnant. 



    Thing is you have to draw the line somewhere when you're writing law. I think 20-25 weeks with exceptions for viability/mother's physical health like you said is the way to go. Even a handful of people peacing out at 38-39 is ghoulish. 
    No doubt. And I agree. But they seem to be more the exception, and it not best to let the exception make the rule.
    The exception in this case is a full-term child being terminated. Even if you're only looking at the political aspect of it, I think waving that off pushes people away from the pro-choice movement.
  • evenflow82
    evenflow82 Posts: 3,892
    ibtl.
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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,582
    glad you got that in. 
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    evenflow82 said:
    ibtl.
    been a long time since I've seen that posted. LOL
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,420
    pjl44 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    pjl44 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    shecky said:
    cblock4life said:
    Not too long ago Jill Vedder posted Ed during unplugged on mtv writing “pro choice” on his arm and told her daughters that their father was fighting for women long before they were born and how proud they should be. Not sure about anyone else but the Vedders seem to still support PP and women no matter what.

    There are many people that think that a full-term baby should be able to be aborted literally the day before it is due to be born. 
    OK, but let’s be clear, that’s about 1% of abortions and usually its related to the mothers health or the baby's viability. It's never someone peacing out on being pregnant. 



    Thing is you have to draw the line somewhere when you're writing law. I think 20-25 weeks with exceptions for viability/mother's physical health like you said is the way to go. Even a handful of people peacing out at 38-39 is ghoulish. 
    No doubt. And I agree. But they seem to be more the exception, and it not best to let the exception make the rule.
    The exception in this case is a full-term child being terminated. Even if you're only looking at the political aspect of it, I think waving that off pushes people away from the pro-choice movement.
    This whole brouhaha over full-term babies being aborted is just more fear mongering from the forced-birthers in the right wingosphere
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,531
    Bentleyspop said:
    pjl44 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    pjl44 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    shecky said:
    cblock4life said:
    Not too long ago Jill Vedder posted Ed during unplugged on mtv writing “pro choice” on his arm and told her daughters that their father was fighting for women long before they were born and how proud they should be. Not sure about anyone else but the Vedders seem to still support PP and women no matter what.

    There are many people that think that a full-term baby should be able to be aborted literally the day before it is due to be born. 
    OK, but let’s be clear, that’s about 1% of abortions and usually its related to the mothers health or the baby's viability. It's never someone peacing out on being pregnant. 



    Thing is you have to draw the line somewhere when you're writing law. I think 20-25 weeks with exceptions for viability/mother's physical health like you said is the way to go. Even a handful of people peacing out at 38-39 is ghoulish. 
    No doubt. And I agree. But they seem to be more the exception, and it not best to let the exception make the rule.
    The exception in this case is a full-term child being terminated. Even if you're only looking at the political aspect of it, I think waving that off pushes people away from the pro-choice movement.
    This whole brouhaha over full-term babies being aborted is just more fear mongering from the forced-birthers in the right wingosphere
    Argue the point on its merits. If the law is written that way, it means it's legal to do that. Even though I agree it's extremely rare, the fact that it does/could happen at all legally is the issue.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    pjl44 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    pjl44 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    pjl44 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    shecky said:
    cblock4life said:
    Not too long ago Jill Vedder posted Ed during unplugged on mtv writing “pro choice” on his arm and told her daughters that their father was fighting for women long before they were born and how proud they should be. Not sure about anyone else but the Vedders seem to still support PP and women no matter what.

    There are many people that think that a full-term baby should be able to be aborted literally the day before it is due to be born. 
    OK, but let’s be clear, that’s about 1% of abortions and usually its related to the mothers health or the baby's viability. It's never someone peacing out on being pregnant. 



    Thing is you have to draw the line somewhere when you're writing law. I think 20-25 weeks with exceptions for viability/mother's physical health like you said is the way to go. Even a handful of people peacing out at 38-39 is ghoulish. 
    No doubt. And I agree. But they seem to be more the exception, and it not best to let the exception make the rule.
    The exception in this case is a full-term child being terminated. Even if you're only looking at the political aspect of it, I think waving that off pushes people away from the pro-choice movement.
    This whole brouhaha over full-term babies being aborted is just more fear mongering from the forced-birthers in the right wingosphere
    Argue the point on its merits. If the law is written that way, it means it's legal to do that. Even though I agree it's extremely rare, the fact that it does/could happen at all legally is the issue.
    if a doctor is willing to do a late term abortion just because the mother no longer wants it, he should be disbarred. or whatever the term is for doctors. 
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  • NewJPage
    NewJPage Posts: 3,320
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    pjl44 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    pjl44 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    pjl44 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    shecky said:
    cblock4life said:
    Not too long ago Jill Vedder posted Ed during unplugged on mtv writing “pro choice” on his arm and told her daughters that their father was fighting for women long before they were born and how proud they should be. Not sure about anyone else but the Vedders seem to still support PP and women no matter what.

    There are many people that think that a full-term baby should be able to be aborted literally the day before it is due to be born. 
    OK, but let’s be clear, that’s about 1% of abortions and usually its related to the mothers health or the baby's viability. It's never someone peacing out on being pregnant. 



    Thing is you have to draw the line somewhere when you're writing law. I think 20-25 weeks with exceptions for viability/mother's physical health like you said is the way to go. Even a handful of people peacing out at 38-39 is ghoulish. 
    No doubt. And I agree. But they seem to be more the exception, and it not best to let the exception make the rule.
    The exception in this case is a full-term child being terminated. Even if you're only looking at the political aspect of it, I think waving that off pushes people away from the pro-choice movement.
    This whole brouhaha over full-term babies being aborted is just more fear mongering from the forced-birthers in the right wingosphere
    Argue the point on its merits. If the law is written that way, it means it's legal to do that. Even though I agree it's extremely rare, the fact that it does/could happen at all legally is the issue.
    if a doctor is willing to do a late term abortion just because the mother no longer wants it, he should be disbarred. or whatever the term is for doctors. 
    Luckily that is not a thing that actually happens
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  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    what is weird to me is how still there are fans of this band that dont knbow that pj acts,voice an opinion ,,do their thing with their own  way and in their own time.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    NewJPage said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    pjl44 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    pjl44 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    pjl44 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    shecky said:
    cblock4life said:
    Not too long ago Jill Vedder posted Ed during unplugged on mtv writing “pro choice” on his arm and told her daughters that their father was fighting for women long before they were born and how proud they should be. Not sure about anyone else but the Vedders seem to still support PP and women no matter what.

    There are many people that think that a full-term baby should be able to be aborted literally the day before it is due to be born. 
    OK, but let’s be clear, that’s about 1% of abortions and usually its related to the mothers health or the baby's viability. It's never someone peacing out on being pregnant. 



    Thing is you have to draw the line somewhere when you're writing law. I think 20-25 weeks with exceptions for viability/mother's physical health like you said is the way to go. Even a handful of people peacing out at 38-39 is ghoulish. 
    No doubt. And I agree. But they seem to be more the exception, and it not best to let the exception make the rule.
    The exception in this case is a full-term child being terminated. Even if you're only looking at the political aspect of it, I think waving that off pushes people away from the pro-choice movement.
    This whole brouhaha over full-term babies being aborted is just more fear mongering from the forced-birthers in the right wingosphere
    Argue the point on its merits. If the law is written that way, it means it's legal to do that. Even though I agree it's extremely rare, the fact that it does/could happen at all legally is the issue.
    if a doctor is willing to do a late term abortion just because the mother no longer wants it, he should be disbarred. or whatever the term is for doctors. 
    Luckily that is not a thing that actually happens
    exactly
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,531
    NewJPage said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    pjl44 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    pjl44 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    pjl44 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    shecky said:
    cblock4life said:
    Not too long ago Jill Vedder posted Ed during unplugged on mtv writing “pro choice” on his arm and told her daughters that their father was fighting for women long before they were born and how proud they should be. Not sure about anyone else but the Vedders seem to still support PP and women no matter what.

    There are many people that think that a full-term baby should be able to be aborted literally the day before it is due to be born. 
    OK, but let’s be clear, that’s about 1% of abortions and usually its related to the mothers health or the baby's viability. It's never someone peacing out on being pregnant. 



    Thing is you have to draw the line somewhere when you're writing law. I think 20-25 weeks with exceptions for viability/mother's physical health like you said is the way to go. Even a handful of people peacing out at 38-39 is ghoulish. 
    No doubt. And I agree. But they seem to be more the exception, and it not best to let the exception make the rule.
    The exception in this case is a full-term child being terminated. Even if you're only looking at the political aspect of it, I think waving that off pushes people away from the pro-choice movement.
    This whole brouhaha over full-term babies being aborted is just more fear mongering from the forced-birthers in the right wingosphere
    Argue the point on its merits. If the law is written that way, it means it's legal to do that. Even though I agree it's extremely rare, the fact that it does/could happen at all legally is the issue.
    if a doctor is willing to do a late term abortion just because the mother no longer wants it, he should be disbarred. or whatever the term is for doctors. 
    Luckily that is not a thing that actually happens
    Are there any stats on this? Is this something that's reported on publicly at all? Or would we all just be guessing? Legitimately curious. 
  • thebuilder
    thebuilder Rifle, CO Posts: 174
    Well since “late term abortion” isn’t even a medical term, it’s a made up political term.. no there’s probably no data on “late term abortions” here’s a good site for data https://www.guttmacher.org/united-states/abortion

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