“I stand with planned parenthood” bans off

thebuilder

weird that I don’t see PJ on this list of bands..

https://www.istandwithpp.org/bans-off-my-body/band-together

Tim Simmons

I was surprised as well.

shecky

Have you considered the possibility that maybe their feelings on the subject have changed and evolved as they grow older?

JimmyV

shecky said:

Have you considered the possibility that maybe their feelings on the subject have changed and evolved as they grow older?

They raised money for the organization through a t-shirt sale just a few years ago. So I doubt it very much.

kramer73

Maybe the band just thought it was another email about the fan club singles, and ignored it.

Vedd Hedd

shecky said:

Have you considered the possibility that maybe their feelings on the subject have changed and evolved as they grow older?

I doubt very much that now they are suddenly against women's rights 

Tim Simmons

Also, is that really considered an evolution? Seems more like a devolution.

Tim Simmons

kramer73 said:

Maybe the band just thought it was another email about the fan club singles, and ignored it.

fucking lol

Hobbes

JimmyV said:

shecky said:

Have you considered the possibility that maybe their feelings on the subject have changed and evolved as they grow older?

They raised money for the organization through a t-shirt sale just a few years ago. So I doubt it very much.

Be cool if they did another round of those shirts. Missed out the first time.

Tim Simmons

I bought one, but I really dislike the grey color. Pink on black, white or blue would have been better.

Merkin Baller

shecky said:

Have you considered the possibility that maybe their feelings on the subject have changed and evolved as they grow older?

Considering how vocally pro choice they've been over the years, this possibility wouldn't even enter my mind.

COULD they change their opinion on the matter? Sure, anything is possible, but I would be very surprised if they did.

JimmyV

Hobbes said:

JimmyV said:

shecky said:

Have you considered the possibility that maybe their feelings on the subject have changed and evolved as they grow older?

They raised money for the organization through a t-shirt sale just a few years ago. So I doubt it very much.

Be cool if they did another round of those shirts. Missed out the first time.

My better half had hers on last night. She loves it. If Pearl Jam wanted to release a new design they'd definitely get me to buy her another one. 

shecky

Tim Simmons said:

Also, is that really considered an evolution? Seems more like a devolution.

 Actually, in the strictest of terms, abortion IS "de-evolution. How could mankind, or any species, have evolved if their offspring were not allowed to live?

BloodMeridian80

shecky said:

Tim Simmons said:

Also, is that really considered an evolution? Seems more like a devolution.

 Actually, in the strictest of terms, abortion IS "de-evolution. How could mankind, or any species, have evolved if their offspring were not allowed to live?

Devolution in thinking is what was meant, I think.
Man has made decisions that end human life every day for thousands of years.
Women need the right to make decisions about their health and life. The band will always support that.

cblock4life

Not too long ago Jill Vedder posted Ed during unplugged on mtv writing “pro choice” on his arm and told her daughters that their father was fighting for women long before they were born and how proud they should be. Not sure about anyone else but the Vedders seem to still support PP and women no matter what.

link93

I’m sure the bands position hasn’t changed and they are very much pro choice. 

shecky

BloodMeridian80 said:

shecky said:

Tim Simmons said:

Also, is that really considered an evolution? Seems more like a devolution.

 Actually, in the strictest of terms, abortion IS "de-evolution. How could mankind, or any species, have evolved if their offspring were not allowed to live?

Devolution in thinking is what was meant, I think.
Man has made decisions that end human life every day for thousands of years.
Women need the right to make decisions about their health and life. The band will always support that.

So, you are the spokesperson for Tim S., who made the statement that I commented on, and for Pearl Jam, too? 

Spiritual_Chaos

shecky said:

BloodMeridian80 said:

shecky said:

Tim Simmons said:

Also, is that really considered an evolution? Seems more like a devolution.

 Actually, in the strictest of terms, abortion IS "de-evolution. How could mankind, or any species, have evolved if their offspring were not allowed to live?

Devolution in thinking is what was meant, I think.
Man has made decisions that end human life every day for thousands of years.
Women need the right to make decisions about their health and life. The band will always support that.

So, you are officially the spokesperson for Tim S., who made the statement that I commented on, and for Pearl Jam, too? 

If the person was officially the spokesperson for another user, why would he/she use "I think"?

Tim Simmons

BloodMeridian80 said:

shecky said:

Tim Simmons said:

Also, is that really considered an evolution? Seems more like a devolution.

 Actually, in the strictest of terms, abortion IS "de-evolution. How could mankind, or any species, have evolved if their offspring were not allowed to live?

Devolution in thinking is what was meant, I think.
Man has made decisions that end human life every day for thousands of years.
Women need the right to make decisions about their health and life. The band will always support that.

This is what I meant.

shecky

cblock4life said:

Not too long ago Jill Vedder posted Ed during unplugged on mtv writing “pro choice” on his arm and told her daughters that their father was fighting for women long before they were born and how proud they should be. Not sure about anyone else but the Vedders seem to still support PP and women no matter what.

Well, I'm glad we are able to have friendly and civil discussions about a heavy topic like this. I believe in abortion rights for women, but with some sensible time limitations. There are many people that think that a full-term baby should be able to be aborted literally the day before it is due to be born. I just can't agree with that extreme position. And, I'm always confused by statements like: " ...fighting for women...". My question is, who is fighting for the baby woman, i.e. the full-term baby girl, who has no voice whatsoever in this decision and will never get to be born and become a woman? Doesn't anyone care about her?

Tim Simmons

shecky said:

cblock4life said:

Not too long ago Jill Vedder posted Ed during unplugged on mtv writing “pro choice” on his arm and told her daughters that their father was fighting for women long before they were born and how proud they should be. Not sure about anyone else but the Vedders seem to still support PP and women no matter what.

There are many people that think that a full-term baby should be able to be aborted literally the day before it is due to be born. 

OK, but let’s be clear, that’s about 1% of abortions and usually its related to the mothers health or the baby's viability. It's never someone peacing out on being pregnant. 

RoleModelsinBlood31

I’m pro-choice and all for a woman’s right to choose but I’d like to choose where my tax dollars go.  More for education and less for things like PP.  Abortions should cost enough that they don’t need my $$ for someone else’s choice to abort a baby. I don’t like when this gov’t makes my decisions for me.  Damn you govt.  ok I’m out of this convo.

mbowers

Neil Young isn't listed either.  Both have played Voters for Choice shows.  I'm sure there's some reason, but I wouldn't worry about changes in opinion.

Tim Simmons

It’s possible they reached out to everyone and many went to junk folders or bands/artists didn’t get back to management in time to confirm. I’m sure this list will grow. But if it doesn’t, we shouldn’t assume artists don’t support it. 

We know PJs history, we know where they land

pjl44

Tim Simmons said:

shecky said:

cblock4life said:

Not too long ago Jill Vedder posted Ed during unplugged on mtv writing “pro choice” on his arm and told her daughters that their father was fighting for women long before they were born and how proud they should be. Not sure about anyone else but the Vedders seem to still support PP and women no matter what.

There are many people that think that a full-term baby should be able to be aborted literally the day before it is due to be born. 

OK, but let’s be clear, that’s about 1% of abortions and usually its related to the mothers health or the baby's viability. It's never someone peacing out on being pregnant. 

Thing is you have to draw the line somewhere when you're writing law. I think 20-25 weeks with exceptions for viability/mother's physical health like you said is the way to go. Even a handful of people peacing out at 38-39 is ghoulish. 

cblock4life

shecky said:

cblock4life said:

Not too long ago Jill Vedder posted Ed during unplugged on mtv writing “pro choice” on his arm and told her daughters that their father was fighting for women long before they were born and how proud they should be. Not sure about anyone else but the Vedders seem to still support PP and women no matter what.

Well, I'm glad we are able to have friendly and civil discussions about a heavy topic like this. I believe in abortion rights for women, but with some sensible time limitations. There are many people that think that a full-term baby should be able to be aborted literally the day before it is due to be born. I just can't agree with that extreme position. And, I'm always confused by statements like: " ...fighting for women...". My question is, who is fighting for the baby woman, i.e. the full-term baby girl, who has no voice whatsoever in this decision and will never get to be born and become a woman? Doesn't anyone care about her?

To avoid confusion please don’t think I was implying that I know anything about their feelings on abortion term limitations.  When I stated that they support PP and women no matter what I meant and should have said they appear to support all kinds of causes for women.  
I hope this clarifies my comment and yes, it is quite mature to have this conversation without insulting or degrading each other. 

Tim Simmons

pjl44 said:

Tim Simmons said:

shecky said:

cblock4life said:

Not too long ago Jill Vedder posted Ed during unplugged on mtv writing “pro choice” on his arm and told her daughters that their father was fighting for women long before they were born and how proud they should be. Not sure about anyone else but the Vedders seem to still support PP and women no matter what.

There are many people that think that a full-term baby should be able to be aborted literally the day before it is due to be born. 

OK, but let’s be clear, that’s about 1% of abortions and usually its related to the mothers health or the baby's viability. It's never someone peacing out on being pregnant. 

Thing is you have to draw the line somewhere when you're writing law. I think 20-25 weeks with exceptions for viability/mother's physical health like you said is the way to go. Even a handful of people peacing out at 38-39 is ghoulish. 

No doubt. And I agree. But they seem to be more the exception, and it not best to let the exception make the rule.

pjl44

Tim Simmons said:

pjl44 said:

Tim Simmons said:

shecky said:

cblock4life said:

Not too long ago Jill Vedder posted Ed during unplugged on mtv writing “pro choice” on his arm and told her daughters that their father was fighting for women long before they were born and how proud they should be. Not sure about anyone else but the Vedders seem to still support PP and women no matter what.

There are many people that think that a full-term baby should be able to be aborted literally the day before it is due to be born. 

OK, but let’s be clear, that’s about 1% of abortions and usually its related to the mothers health or the baby's viability. It's never someone peacing out on being pregnant. 

Thing is you have to draw the line somewhere when you're writing law. I think 20-25 weeks with exceptions for viability/mother's physical health like you said is the way to go. Even a handful of people peacing out at 38-39 is ghoulish. 

No doubt. And I agree. But they seem to be more the exception, and it not best to let the exception make the rule.

The exception in this case is a full-term child being terminated. Even if you're only looking at the political aspect of it, I think waving that off pushes people away from the pro-choice movement.

evenflow82

ibtl.

Tim Simmons

glad you got that in. 

HughFreakingDillon

evenflow82 said:

ibtl.

been a long time since I've seen that posted. LOL