So wait - people here think Al should have done what? Apologized and then moved on? Just trying to understand.
He seemed to want to toe the line between apologizing and not admitting he did what he was accused of. I wish he would have just said these accusations are out of context and clearly partisan in nature, and then waited for an investigation. But he couldn't really do that because his own weak ass party was showing him the door. Both Senators from NY were at the front of that train.
I would imagine he was frustrated that if you have an R next to your name, you get a pass, if you have a D, you are expected to do the "right thing".
So wait - people here think Al should have done what? Apologized and then moved on? Just trying to understand.
He seemed to want to toe the line between apologizing and not admitting he did what he was accused of. I wish he would have just said these accusations are out of context and clearly partisan in nature, and then waited for an investigation. But he couldn't really do that because his own weak ass party was showing him the door. Both Senators from NY were at the front of that train.
I would imagine he was frustrated that if you have an R next to your name, you get a pass, if you have a D, you are expected to do the "right thing".
I would be, too. We all should be. It's ridiculous.
The upshot: In the space of three minutes, Biden got the time period, the location, the heroic act, the type of medal, the military branch and the rank of the recipient wrong, as well as his own role in the ceremony.
Nice ending though:
Here’s how Biden remembered it: “You see the look on his face — he says, ‘Sir, I don’t want it. I don’t want it. He died. He died.’ ” Workman’s version is the same, but with one added detail. He recalled Biden meeting his gaze. Workman told the vice president that he didn’t want the medal. “I know you don’t,” Biden replied softly. Eight years later, Workman still remembers how Biden looked at him. “He has that look where his eyes can see into your eyes,” Workman said. “I felt like he really understood.”
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The upshot: In the space of three minutes, Biden got the time period, the location, the heroic act, the type of medal, the military branch and the rank of the recipient wrong, as well as his own role in the ceremony.
Nice ending though:
Here’s how Biden remembered it: “You see the look on his face — he says, ‘Sir, I don’t want it. I don’t want it. He died. He died.’ ” Workman’s version is the same, but with one added detail. He recalled Biden meeting his gaze. Workman told the vice president that he didn’t want the medal. “I know you don’t,” Biden replied softly. Eight years later, Workman still remembers how Biden looked at him. “He has that look where his eyes can see into your eyes,” Workman said. “I felt like he really understood.”
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The upshot: In the space of three minutes, Biden got the time period, the location, the heroic act, the type of medal, the military branch and the rank of the recipient wrong, as well as his own role in the ceremony.
Nice ending though:
Here’s how Biden remembered it: “You see the look on his face — he says, ‘Sir, I don’t want it. I don’t want it. He died. He died.’ ” Workman’s version is the same, but with one added detail. He recalled Biden meeting his gaze. Workman told the vice president that he didn’t want the medal. “I know you don’t,” Biden replied softly. Eight years later, Workman still remembers how Biden looked at him. “He has that look where his eyes can see into your eyes,” Workman said. “I felt like he really understood.”
I forgive him
That's why I love Joe Biden. Would've probably run through a wall for him 4 years ago.
Good poll. Warren still has the Sanders problem. She's also been quietly reaching out to DNC power brokers to let them know that she is not looking for a political 'revolution'. She wants to reform the current capitalistic system. If she's being straightforward, then I'm more sympathetic to her positions, but she needs to get centered soon enough. If I were her, I'd start going after Biden supporters. That's the path to victory because I just don't see Sanders dropping out until deep, deep into the primary season, if ever. Going after Biden supporters means moderating some of her positions on taxation.
I like the way that sounds about Warren, but shouldn't she be telling us that? Kinda creepy she is sharing her populist side privately with power brokers
Good poll. Warren still has the Sanders problem. She's also been quietly reaching out to DNC power brokers to let them know that she is not looking for a political 'revolution'. She wants to reform the current capitalistic system. If she's being straightforward, then I'm more sympathetic to her positions, but she needs to get centered soon enough. If I were her, I'd start going after Biden supporters. That's the path to victory because I just don't see Sanders dropping out until deep, deep into the primary season, if ever. Going after Biden supporters means moderating some of her positions on taxation.
I like the way that sounds about Warren, but shouldn't she be telling us that? Kinda creepy she is sharing her populist side privately with power brokers
Are both of you referring to this article? What Elizabeth Warren Is Quietly Telling Democratic Insiders https://nyti.ms/2KXeqQ0
She's actually a partisan Dem as opposed to ol' Berns.
A Democrat, trying to win the Democratic primary by appealing to Democrats is....worthy of a news story, I guess.
I think she is being strategic and is thinking ahead. This is not some corrupting or compromising of Warren or her policies. People seem to lose sight of the fact that she is running for president, and once she has won, if she is going to pass major legislation, she will need just about everyone on the Democratic side to get it done, including establishment figures and moderate Dems.
If she passes even 20% of everything she's promising I'll deem it a huge success.
Good poll. Warren still has the Sanders problem. She's also been quietly reaching out to DNC power brokers to let them know that she is not looking for a political 'revolution'. She wants to reform the current capitalistic system. If she's being straightforward, then I'm more sympathetic to her positions, but she needs to get centered soon enough. If I were her, I'd start going after Biden supporters. That's the path to victory because I just don't see Sanders dropping out until deep, deep into the primary season, if ever. Going after Biden supporters means moderating some of her positions on taxation.
I like the way that sounds about Warren, but shouldn't she be telling us that? Kinda creepy she is sharing her populist side privately with power brokers
Are both of you referring to this article? What Elizabeth Warren Is Quietly Telling Democratic Insiders https://nyti.ms/2KXeqQ0
She's actually a partisan Dem as opposed to ol' Berns.
A Democrat, trying to win the Democratic primary by appealing to Democrats is....worthy of a news story, I guess.
I think she is being strategic and is thinking ahead. This is not some corrupting or compromising of Warren or her policies. People seem to lose sight of the fact that she is running for president, and once she has won, if she is going to pass major legislation, she will need just about everyone on the Democratic side to get it done, including establishment figures and moderate Dems.
If she passes even 20% of everything she's promising I'll deem it a huge success.
It's very strategic, nothing at all nefarious.
Funny when you say 20%... depends on your definition! If she has 5 proposals and 1 gets passed in full, not sure I'm a fan. By contrast, if she promises to wipe out a trillion in student debt, but only erases 200 million for the poorest, then I'm better with that.
Does anyone know is she's still promising to waive all the student debt in her speeches?
Ha, right. I mean I'd be ecstatic with everything. But if she passed even a 20% portion of each one of her proposals I'm saying I'd be doing cartwheels.
Regardless whomever gets in there (hopefully gets in there) is gonna need the first two years just to undo all the things Fuckface has done while also addressing everything else that was neglected.
Also don't know about the student debt thing, but I've come to gather that she's not looking to change it. Whether that includes a "promise" or not I have no idea. To me there are worst things in life. I'd gladly have my tax dollars go toward programs like this instead of the insane amount of defense spending, or the piss poor, minuscule amount of funding for education. If ultimately this is the ground floor in hitting the reset button to open up the largest generation's pocket books, while also addressing a legitimate issue (student debt), and reinforcing & improving the higher ed system for public universities so that future opportunity is more robust I'm all for it.
FWIW - what I do know about Warren as well is that she's acknowledged that there's a good chance a lot of her plans won't get through legislation. But I'm glad she's out there with plans on basically every issue you want to hear from your candidate explain in detail.
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Good poll. Warren still has the Sanders problem. She's also been quietly reaching out to DNC power brokers to let them know that she is not looking for a political 'revolution'. She wants to reform the current capitalistic system. If she's being straightforward, then I'm more sympathetic to her positions, but she needs to get centered soon enough. If I were her, I'd start going after Biden supporters. That's the path to victory because I just don't see Sanders dropping out until deep, deep into the primary season, if ever. Going after Biden supporters means moderating some of her positions on taxation.
I like the way that sounds about Warren, but shouldn't she be telling us that? Kinda creepy she is sharing her populist side privately with power brokers
Are both of you referring to this article? What Elizabeth Warren Is Quietly Telling Democratic Insiders https://nyti.ms/2KXeqQ0
She's actually a partisan Dem as opposed to ol' Berns.
A Democrat, trying to win the Democratic primary by appealing to Democrats is....worthy of a news story, I guess.
I think she is being strategic and is thinking ahead. This is not some corrupting or compromising of Warren or her policies. People seem to lose sight of the fact that she is running for president, and once she has won, if she is going to pass major legislation, she will need just about everyone on the Democratic side to get it done, including establishment figures and moderate Dems.
If she passes even 20% of everything she's promising I'll deem it a huge success.
But I'm deciding whether she'd be a strong general election candidate.
As I see it, despite the good points you raised, she has 2 massive strikes against her:
1. The GOP will use her strong socialist policy beliefs against her. Something the dems have not overcome when the attacks were legit (they weren't with obama).
2. Her response to Trump mocking her DNA test was historically weak. Weak on a Dukakis level. Unfortunately for the dems, attacks like this will be often during the general.
Good poll. Warren still has the Sanders problem. She's also been quietly reaching out to DNC power brokers to let them know that she is not looking for a political 'revolution'. She wants to reform the current capitalistic system. If she's being straightforward, then I'm more sympathetic to her positions, but she needs to get centered soon enough. If I were her, I'd start going after Biden supporters. That's the path to victory because I just don't see Sanders dropping out until deep, deep into the primary season, if ever. Going after Biden supporters means moderating some of her positions on taxation.
I like the way that sounds about Warren, but shouldn't she be telling us that? Kinda creepy she is sharing her populist side privately with power brokers
Are both of you referring to this article? What Elizabeth Warren Is Quietly Telling Democratic Insiders https://nyti.ms/2KXeqQ0
She's actually a partisan Dem as opposed to ol' Berns.
A Democrat, trying to win the Democratic primary by appealing to Democrats is....worthy of a news story, I guess.
I think she is being strategic and is thinking ahead. This is not some corrupting or compromising of Warren or her policies. People seem to lose sight of the fact that she is running for president, and once she has won, if she is going to pass major legislation, she will need just about everyone on the Democratic side to get it done, including establishment figures and moderate Dems.
If she passes even 20% of everything she's promising I'll deem it a huge success.
But I'm deciding whether she'd be a strong general election candidate.
As I see it, despite the good points you raised, she has 2 massive strikes against her:
1. The GOP will use her strong socialist policy beliefs against her. Something the dems have not overcome when the attacks were legit (they weren't with obama).
2. Her response to Trump mocking her DNA test was historically weak. Weak on a Dukakis level. Unfortunately for the dems, attacks like this will be often during the general.
This is where I am too. She said she's a capitalist, so I want more evidence of that.
Good poll. Warren still has the Sanders problem. She's also been quietly reaching out to DNC power brokers to let them know that she is not looking for a political 'revolution'. She wants to reform the current capitalistic system. If she's being straightforward, then I'm more sympathetic to her positions, but she needs to get centered soon enough. If I were her, I'd start going after Biden supporters. That's the path to victory because I just don't see Sanders dropping out until deep, deep into the primary season, if ever. Going after Biden supporters means moderating some of her positions on taxation.
I like the way that sounds about Warren, but shouldn't she be telling us that? Kinda creepy she is sharing her populist side privately with power brokers
Are both of you referring to this article? What Elizabeth Warren Is Quietly Telling Democratic Insiders https://nyti.ms/2KXeqQ0
She's actually a partisan Dem as opposed to ol' Berns.
A Democrat, trying to win the Democratic primary by appealing to Democrats is....worthy of a news story, I guess.
I think she is being strategic and is thinking ahead. This is not some corrupting or compromising of Warren or her policies. People seem to lose sight of the fact that she is running for president, and once she has won, if she is going to pass major legislation, she will need just about everyone on the Democratic side to get it done, including establishment figures and moderate Dems.
If she passes even 20% of everything she's promising I'll deem it a huge success.
But I'm deciding whether she'd be a strong general election candidate.
As I see it, despite the good points you raised, she has 2 massive strikes against her:
1. The GOP will use her strong socialist policy beliefs against her. Something the dems have not overcome when the attacks were legit (they weren't with obama).
2. Her response to Trump mocking her DNA test was historically weak. Weak on a Dukakis level. Unfortunately for the dems, attacks like this will be often during the general.
Re: #1: I personally think everyone is too worried about this. I believe whom ever the nominee will be will get labeled a socialist and ran into the ground regardless. If every Dem campaign doesn't know this by now, then they should just give up.
Re: #2: I think this is all trivial nonsense, sorry not trying to demean your opinion here I'm really not. Clinton ran legitimate slander ads with this Fuckface making fun of the handicapped along with audio of being misogynistic. The people that buy into his shit are already with him. Consistent polls show him losing to pretty much any of the top 3 or 4 candidates. That's not to say that whom ever it is should just coast. They better pound the fucking pavement hard. Additionally, I think whatever the amount of Obama voters in '12 that voted for Fuckface in '16 came back in the midterms, or mostly came back.
Every cycle the outcome of the Presidential General is always super close. Dems should be worried about nothing right now other than getting their candidate that receives the most votes, that's what a primary is for. Fuck everything else. People can say what they will about Howard Dean (his policies were actually really good, but all he's remembered for is the dipshit thing), but saw a quote in a Politico article from him that essentially said, "do you want real change, or who is 'electable' enough to beat Trump (whatever the fuck that means)"? My concern isn't with electability, I'll worry about that when we get to that point. Biden's wife's platform of talking down to people, that they should vote for her husband for no other reason than the fear that Trump gets re-elected? Please, get out with that nonsense. Gimme substance. To me everyone should vote for the candidate that offers them the greatest substance. And for me it's Elizabeth and not Joe.
Basically, if the Dems do their job correctly - as it was done in the previous two terms before '16 (talking about real campaigning here) - then we shouldn't see a repeat. But whatever, again, I'll hope for the best and expect the worst and just keep knocking on doors in my neighborhood. Oh, and I hope that people have started giving a shit about who serves them, beyond voting for one person every four years. There's an election every year. VOTE.
I've admitted as much on this forum. But it's rooted in pragmatism, not hatred.
i actually agree with you. I made the point when he first announced that his age could be a draw back as some voters might be concerned about potential cognitive decline, and of course I got lambasted for it. you bring up facts and many on the left just start labeling you with shitty adjectives. "blah blah blah my 96 year old uncle is sharp as a tack, so suck it, you ageist prejudiced ass!". I'm paraphrasing, of course.
I've admitted as much on this forum. But it's rooted in pragmatism, not hatred.
i actually agree with you. I made the point when he first announced that his age could be a draw back as some voters might be concerned about potential cognitive decline, and of course I got lambasted for it. you bring up facts and many on the left just start labeling you with shitty adjectives. "blah blah blah my 96 year old uncle is sharp as a tack, so suck it, you ageist prejudiced ass!". I'm paraphrasing, of course.
I just don't give a shit. He has advisors and a would have a cabinet. I care about policy positions and so do the voters I speak to that aren't on Twitter. If someone else brought his policies and experience to the table, I'd likely support that individual. Hasn't happened. So until then, the long time gaffe machine will continue to misspeak. Who cares
I've admitted as much on this forum. But it's rooted in pragmatism, not hatred.
i actually agree with you. I made the point when he first announced that his age could be a draw back as some voters might be concerned about potential cognitive decline, and of course I got lambasted for it. you bring up facts and many on the left just start labeling you with shitty adjectives. "blah blah blah my 96 year old uncle is sharp as a tack, so suck it, you ageist prejudiced ass!". I'm paraphrasing, of course.
I just don't give a shit. He has advisors and a would have a cabinet. I care about policy positions and so do the voters I speak to that aren't on Twitter. If someone else brought his policies and experience to the table, I'd likely support that individual. Hasn't happened. So until then, the long time gaffe machine will continue to misspeak. Who cares
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"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Nice ending though:
Workman’s version is the same, but with one added detail. He recalled Biden meeting his gaze. Workman told the vice president that he didn’t want the medal.
“I know you don’t,” Biden replied softly.
Eight years later, Workman still remembers how Biden looked at him.
“He has that look where his eyes can see into your eyes,” Workman said. “I felt like he really understood.”
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2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/16/politics/sir-trump-telltale-word-false/index.html
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2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
I like the way that sounds about Warren, but shouldn't she be telling us that? Kinda creepy she is sharing her populist side privately with power brokers
She's actually a partisan Dem as opposed to ol' Berns.
I think she is being strategic and is thinking ahead. This is not some corrupting or compromising of Warren or her policies. People seem to lose sight of the fact that she is running for president, and once she has won, if she is going to pass major legislation, she will need just about everyone on the Democratic side to get it done, including establishment figures and moderate Dems.
If she passes even 20% of everything she's promising I'll deem it a huge success.
Funny when you say 20%... depends on your definition! If she has 5 proposals and 1 gets passed in full, not sure I'm a fan. By contrast, if she promises to wipe out a trillion in student debt, but only erases 200 million for the poorest, then I'm better with that.
Does anyone know is she's still promising to waive all the student debt in her speeches?
Regardless whomever gets in there (hopefully gets in there) is gonna need the first two years just to undo all the things Fuckface has done while also addressing everything else that was neglected.
FWIW - what I do know about Warren as well is that she's acknowledged that there's a good chance a lot of her plans won't get through legislation. But I'm glad she's out there with plans on basically every issue you want to hear from your candidate explain in detail.
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But I'm deciding whether she'd be a strong general election candidate.
As I see it, despite the good points you raised, she has 2 massive strikes against her:
1. The GOP will use her strong socialist policy beliefs against her. Something the dems have not overcome when the attacks were legit (they weren't with obama).
2. Her response to Trump mocking her DNA test was historically weak. Weak on a Dukakis level. Unfortunately for the dems, attacks like this will be often during the general.
Re: #2: I think this is all trivial nonsense, sorry not trying to demean your opinion here I'm really not. Clinton ran legitimate slander ads with this Fuckface making fun of the handicapped along with audio of being misogynistic. The people that buy into his shit are already with him. Consistent polls show him losing to pretty much any of the top 3 or 4 candidates. That's not to say that whom ever it is should just coast. They better pound the fucking pavement hard. Additionally, I think whatever the amount of Obama voters in '12 that voted for Fuckface in '16 came back in the midterms, or mostly came back.
Every cycle the outcome of the Presidential General is always super close. Dems should be worried about nothing right now other than getting their candidate that receives the most votes, that's what a primary is for. Fuck everything else. People can say what they will about Howard Dean (his policies were actually really good, but all he's remembered for is the dipshit thing), but saw a quote in a Politico article from him that essentially said, "do you want real change, or who is 'electable' enough to beat Trump (whatever the fuck that means)"? My concern isn't with electability, I'll worry about that when we get to that point. Biden's wife's platform of talking down to people, that they should vote for her husband for no other reason than the fear that Trump gets re-elected? Please, get out with that nonsense. Gimme substance. To me everyone should vote for the candidate that offers them the greatest substance. And for me it's Elizabeth and not Joe.
Basically, if the Dems do their job correctly - as it was done in the previous two terms before '16 (talking about real campaigning here) - then we shouldn't see a repeat. But whatever, again, I'll hope for the best and expect the worst and just keep knocking on doors in my neighborhood. Oh, and I hope that people have started giving a shit about who serves them, beyond voting for one person every four years. There's an election every year. VOTE.
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Former Booker aide allegedly directed campaign fundraising through city’s watershed
https://www.politico.com/states/new-jersey/story/2019/08/29/former-booker-aide-allegedly-directed-campaign-fundraising-through-citys-watershed-1158303