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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    brianlux said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    brianlux said:
     
    I grew up about 30 miles south of San Francisco, lived in S.F. for about 4 years and still get down there three or four times a year.  It used to be such a fine town- a place where just about anyone could live.  Now it's all wealthy people and hoards of homeless people.  It's become a very strange place to me!
    You'd think the wealthy would try to help the homeless. Isn't that was the democratic party is all about? Helping the less fortunate? 
    Many do.  But remember, there is a difference between helping and enabling.  Many people (I'm not saying you) do not understand the difference. 

    The other thing is, a lot of people will begin, out of the goodness of their heart, to help the homeless.  And then stuff happens.
     
    Let's say you are assaulted by a homeless person (I have been- I can still point out his club's dents in my car).  That might make one more leery of wanting to stay involved.

    Or let's say you let a homeless guy stay at you and your roommates' place and after several months the other roommates tell you to get rid of the guy and when you do the guy yells at you for being a traitor and now you've pissed both him off and your roommates becomes less of the friends they were before all this happened (to me, years ago). 
     
    Or lets say you walk to work every day and are pestered by the same homeless person (been there, had that done to me at least a few places/ jobs).  Might not do much to keep you motivated to help.
     
    Or let's say you own a small business and a homeless guy comes in and pisses through his pants onto your floor  and not only does he do nothing to help clean it up, but the next time he comes in, he denies it ever happened (yep, true story).

    Or a homeless guy comes in the store a number of times and smells so freaking bad that customers begin to walk out of the place and you somehow (i.e. lucky me) get to ask as nicely as possible, "Sorry to bother you, friend, but could you please shower before you come in again?" and you tell him where he can clean up for free and then suddenly he starts screaming at you and he's twice your size you become very, very  uncomfortable (oh yeah, done that one to). 

    And I'm not exactly what you would call "rich", so I don't know what the eff else to do about the problem.  I think a lot of other people feel the same way.

    Here is part of the problem.  I am friends with a nurse who used to volunteer and worked with the homeless.  She said 80% of the homeless are not capable of leading a normal life (or what most perceive as normal)...many factors play into it...drugs, mental health, extreme abuse...etc.

    Like she said, "no employer is hiring these people at the moment and it could take years to get even some of these people employable".  

    Then the other problem, can they remain employable.

    And most employers are not charities and they are not hiring people with track marks on their arms, meth heads with no teeth, people who fail to properly clean themselves...and on and on.  
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Another thing that could be done is to offer grant money to universities to come up with better more reliable programs to replace the outdated/poor results that the 12 step program often delivers...

    Time to open up rehab clinics in hospitals and use an updated program for rehab.
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,561
    Jason P said:
    Portland needs to deploy emergency hacky-sack caches to chill the city out to the level it was when I lived there.
    It’s still an awesome city, so I’m not sure where the shithole comments are coming from. There’s an affordable housing strain which has added to the homelessness problem (that is widespread across the country). The ‘antifa’ are a handful of essentially the same ‘anarchists’ from 20-25 years ago who are opportunists there to bust stuff up, or lately, punch white supremacists or be violent in general. 
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Go Beavers said:
    Jason P said:
    Portland needs to deploy emergency hacky-sack caches to chill the city out to the level it was when I lived there.
    It’s still an awesome city, so I’m not sure where the shithole comments are coming from. There’s an affordable housing strain which has added to the homelessness problem (that is widespread across the country). The ‘antifa’ are a handful of essentially the same ‘anarchists’ from 20-25 years ago who are opportunists there to bust stuff up, or lately, punch white supremacists or be violent in general. 
    Sorry, G.B., I started that.  It's just a reflection of my current disdain for big cities.  I'll have to scale back on that soon because I have a day trip to San Francisco coming up.  And hope I don't get accosted or have my car windows broken out.  Chances of that happening in that sh*thole ( :wink: )are pretty good these. 
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    I live in West Hollywood - the city promotes "green-ness" big time.  Thing is, yesterday I was walking along a residential street right in the heart of it, and there was trash all over, a stinking overloaded dumpster, cigarette butts, bottles, random toys, pieces of lumber, just shit all over the sidewalks.  Sadly, it seems rampant - too many people practice the "do as I say, not as I do" way of life.  I call bullshit on that.  On them.

    Also in LA, the homeless housing situation is out of control.  Many don't want help, many are lost to addiction or mental illnesses, many are just lost.  Our pathetic excuse of a mayor wants to work with Trump to "fix the crisis" after his own plans spectacularly failed.  So simple, eh?
  • CM189191
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    CM189191 said:

    Both sides...
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,457
    edited August 2019
    Meltdown99 said:
    Another thing that could be done is to offer grant money to universities to come up with better more reliable programs to replace the outdated/poor results that the 12 step program often delivers...

    Time to open up rehab clinics in hospitals and use an updated program for rehab.
    yeah, well how about in addition too instead of replace. cuz from my seat, "outdated/poor result" still works....... 13 yrs 4 months today. and counting..........

    side note, AA was meant initially for the hopeless, the ones Medical science could do nothing for. The chronic alcoholic whose next stop was an institution for wet brain, a jail cell for some awful act or death from a preventable condition like cirrhosis.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    mickeyrat said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Another thing that could be done is to offer grant money to universities to come up with better more reliable programs to replace the outdated/poor results that the 12 step program often delivers...

    Time to open up rehab clinics in hospitals and use an updated program for rehab.
    yeah, well how about in addition too instead of replace. cuz from my seat, "outdated/poor result" still works....... 13 yrs 4 months today. and counting..........

    side note, AA was meant initially for the hopeless, the ones Medical science could do nothing for. The chronic alcoholic whose next stop was an institution for wet brain, a jail cell for some awful act or death from a preventable condition like cirrhosis.
    Right on Mickey. 

    Maybe AA sucks in Canada, I don't know (but I doubt it).  What I do know is that in many places it works great.  I've known some very good souls (like you, but in person) who proudly wear the recovery jewelry.  They all have good stories.  Not everyone makes it of course.  I know some who died because they couldn't quit.  But without AA, I know damn well there would be more dead.

    Here's to the living.  Well done.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Bentleyspop
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited August 2019
    Bentleyspop said:

    My grandfathers were too, but they would probably mock the people that claim to be “Antifa” today, dressing in black, tearing up shit, and beating up the elderly.  They hardly compare with our WW2 Veterans....
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,561
    PJPOWER said:
    Bentleyspop said:

    My grandfathers were too, but they would probably mock the people that claim to be “Antifa” today, dressing in black, tearing up shit, and beating up the elderly.  They hardly compare with our WW2 Veterans....
    Isn’t the point that most everyone is anti-fascist. The counter protesters at these have some opportunists mixed in who want to bust shit up. 

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Go Beavers said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Bentleyspop said:

    My grandfathers were too, but they would probably mock the people that claim to be “Antifa” today, dressing in black, tearing up shit, and beating up the elderly.  They hardly compare with our WW2 Veterans....
    Isn’t the point that most everyone is anti-fascist. The counter protesters at these have some opportunists mixed in who want to bust shit up. 

    I think so, Ben.  That is why some so-called radical groups like Earth First! start out doing good work and then get infiltrated by true extremest who screw the whole thing up hugely.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    PJPOWER said:
    Bentleyspop said:

    My grandfathers were too, but they would probably mock the people that claim to be “Antifa” today, dressing in black, tearing up shit, and beating up the elderly.  They hardly compare with our WW2 Veterans....
    And yet a majority of them voted for a thin-skinned authoritarian wannabe... 🤔
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited August 2019
    rgambs said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Bentleyspop said:

    My grandfathers were too, but they would probably mock the people that claim to be “Antifa” today, dressing in black, tearing up shit, and beating up the elderly.  They hardly compare with our WW2 Veterans....
    And yet a majority of them voted for a thin-skinned authoritarian wannabe... 🤔
    Majority of who?  WW2 veterans?  The majority of them were already dead as of 2016...
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited August 2019
    Go Beavers said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Bentleyspop said:

    My grandfathers were too, but they would probably mock the people that claim to be “Antifa” today, dressing in black, tearing up shit, and beating up the elderly.  They hardly compare with our WW2 Veterans....
    Isn’t the point that most everyone is anti-fascist. The counter protesters at these have some opportunists mixed in who want to bust shit up. 

    That is exactly the point, most everyone is anti-fascist!  It’s only a few dumbasses dressing in black bloc and playing with their (also minority) dumbass “proud boys” that are causing the stir in these cities.  Yet, their nonsense is causing a lot of distress and fear for the citizens in the cities they pick fights in.  When someone argues against the organized “Antifa”, they are generally talking about the blac-blocked idiots and not everyone that is anti-fascist.  I thought that was obvious by now?
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,476
    PJPOWER said:
    Go Beavers said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Bentleyspop said:

    My grandfathers were too, but they would probably mock the people that claim to be “Antifa” today, dressing in black, tearing up shit, and beating up the elderly.  They hardly compare with our WW2 Veterans....
    Isn’t the point that most everyone is anti-fascist. The counter protesters at these have some opportunists mixed in who want to bust shit up. 

    That is exactly the point, most everyone is anti-fascist!  

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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited August 2019
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Go Beavers said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Bentleyspop said:

    My grandfathers were too, but they would probably mock the people that claim to be “Antifa” today, dressing in black, tearing up shit, and beating up the elderly.  They hardly compare with our WW2 Veterans....
    Isn’t the point that most everyone is anti-fascist. The counter protesters at these have some opportunists mixed in who want to bust shit up. 

    That is exactly the point, most everyone is anti-fascist!  

    Here is another stretch brought to you by your resident Kentucky Chaos.

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    PJPOWER said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Go Beavers said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Bentleyspop said:

    My grandfathers were too, but they would probably mock the people that claim to be “Antifa” today, dressing in black, tearing up shit, and beating up the elderly.  They hardly compare with our WW2 Veterans....
    Isn’t the point that most everyone is anti-fascist. The counter protesters at these have some opportunists mixed in who want to bust shit up. 

    That is exactly the point, most everyone is anti-fascist!  

    Here is another stretch brought to you by your resident Kentucky Chaos.

    He does kinda look like Randy Paul.
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