mrussel1 said:

Beautiful answer.  I like Pete. 

mickeyrat said:

oftenreading said:

mickeyrat said:

oftenreading said:

mickeyrat said:

oftenreading said:

OnWis97 said:

jeffbr said:

The Dems need to hang James Carville's sign (that hung in Clinton's campaign HQ) in the DNC office and send one to each of the candidates. It was the right formula for beating Bush. Bush had a 90% job performance approval rating in March 1991 after the Kuwait ground war. Forward to August 1992 and his disapproval rating was 64%. Ooops. A prevailing recession will do that. Here's what Carville hung in Clinton Campaign HQ:

1. Change vs. more of the same.
2. The economy, stupid
3. Don't forget health care.

If the Dems stick to a similar playbook, they can beat Drumpf. But if they try to get complicated or go for pie-in-the-sky promises, who knows. It is now time to really start pounding "The economy, stupid."

That might be key.  I really wish the party had the ability to come together and say "let's be pragmatic; we need to beat this clown before any of the 'far left vs. moderate left' stuff can even be debated.  So let's attract the people in the middle that are turned off by him and might just vote against him given the way the economy is going."  

I am on board with some of the "far left's" stuff.  Not all of it. Either way, save that shit for when you have more leverage and come together and take out a wannabe despot. I really believe Elizabeth Warren is the most qualified, but she's probably too into "free stuff" to beat Trump.

I don’t have a vote in this, but it does still kinda bug me that it seems it’s never the “right time” for progressive policies. Something else always has to be the focus first, and we’ll get to that equality and justice stuff later. 

Johnson had a huge lift to get civil rights, voting act and the housing act passed. but he had the will to be the bully to get that shit done. since then, change for the better has come incrementally and when it was more than that , later Congresses gutted important legislation like Dodd Frank, Feingold McCain etc.....

ACA was a shock to the system, one that initially had a public option. just an option that saw huge blowback so it was dropped to get it passed.  It was only possible because all both chambers and the admin were same party. 

so unless you totally change the makeup of Congress as a whole to have veto proof majorities of far left progressives, you arent likely to see much of anything they currently propose get passed.

I am more willing to hear and pay attention to whats possible/probable then empty promises......

What is possible/probably depends a lot on how it is framed and how people talk about it. It's not like there is some actual, physical barrier, like a lack of a scientific discovery. It's all based on opinions, and opinions can be changed. All of those who spend time talking about what will never work, what isn't possible, what the voter will not accept, just perpetuate the issue.

take every idea all candidates are proposing, now tell me which ones get past a McConnell led Senate. Or even a Schumer(shudder) led one, what with filibuster firmly in pmace as it should be. Go ahead, I'll wait.

That’s mostly irrelevant, because as you well know, virtually no idea proposed by the Dems will get past a McConnell led Senate. That shouldn’t be the grounds for what ideas are worthwhile. In fact, getting the approval of McConnell and the current GOP almost guarantees it’s a shitty, abusive, soul sucking idea. 

except all these people are running and claiming this will get done, not just presenting ideas, no matter how worthwhile they may be. And its a lie, they know it, I know it, and unfortunately the younger voters arent cynical enough nor critically thinking enough to know better.

The 'dark side' of Finland's famous free health care

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/15/world/finland-health-care-intl/index.html

The 'dark side' of Finland's famous free health care

In his search for examples of a more equitable society, Bernie Sanders has long looked north ... to Northern Europe, that is.

That is one pointless article. HAHA.

I'm starting to believe Bernies campaign manager saying CNN is biased against Bernie is true. 

What is this "DAAAAAAARK SIDE" exactly? How can anything be compared DAAAAAAARK when compared to the US system?

"Finlands system isn't 100% magically perfect so therefore it is instead completely worthless and therefore lets keep our predatory capitalistic system where people die because they can't afford healthcare and where we pay double for our health care but as long as we have made people so fucking numb to our shittiness they won't acknowledge that and instead have a stupid fear of taxes"

... americans...

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/15/world/finland-health-care-intl/index.html

The 'dark side' of Finland's famous free health care

In his search for examples of a more equitable society, Bernie Sanders has long looked north ... to Northern Europe, that is.

That is one pointless article. HAHA.

I'm starting to believe Bernies campaign manager saying CNN is biased against Bernie is true. 

What is this "DAAAAAAARK SIDE" exactly? How can anything be compared DAAAAAAARK when compared to the US system?

"Finlands system isn't 100% magically perfect so therefore it is instead completely worthless and therefore lets keep our predatory capitalistic system where people die because they can't afford healthcare and where we pay double for our health care but as long as we have made people so fucking numb to our shittiness they won't acknowledge that and instead have a stupid fear of taxes"

... americans...

Did you even read the article?

Yes. See my first sentence if you missed it.

benjs said:

mrussel1 said:

Beautiful answer.  I like Pete. 

Me too. It's a damn shame he's had his challenges with the black community, or I think he'd be a very viable candidate. I suspect 2024 may be a good year for him.