The Democratic Candidates

cincybearcat

mrussel1 said:

Complaining about the media is a go to 'schtick' for the Sanders campaign.  Maybe he is like Rodney.  

I’m tired of his bullshit complaining and whining. It’s his entire campaign and platform.

Lerxst1992

mickeyrat said:

what dreams said:

All of the talk about who is "electable" and "who is America ready for" really disturbs me. When I go into the voting booth, I think about whom my conscience can support as POTUS.  Who best represents my values?  Who is best equipped to address the issues I care about? I'm not ready to answer thst question yet, nor do I even know yet who will be on my ballot in my state. I can love whomever I want as a current candidate but if she/he can't get on my state's ballot, my feelings won't matter in late winter/spring 2020.

So far I admire, in no particular order:
1. The experience and good heart of Joe Biden
2. The tenacity and the brains of Kamala Harris
3. The passionate scrappiness of Elizabeth Warren.
4. The genuine character and policy chops  of Pete Buttigieg
5. The practicality of John Delaney
6. The philosophical underpinnings of Marianne Williamson 
7. The fire of Beto O'Rourke whom i predict will see a post El Paso bump
8. The foreign policy of Hawaiian girl

I just don't know yet. We'll see next Februsru (March?) who's on my state's  ballot. all.t I'm betting on these 25% with more weight going to some than others, for sure. 

  Hawaiian girl? afford her the respect she's earned to learn her name. Tulsi Gabbard

Joe/Tulsi 2020

I like the sound of that!

mrussel1

I think Tulsi is a candidate for VP.  I don't know enough about her as to whether she has the depth of understanding of issues yet.  I just haven't seen enough.  She would need some serious vetting.  

Lerxst1992

mrussel1 said:

I think Tulsi is a candidate for VP.  I don't know enough about her as to whether she has the depth of understanding of issues yet.  I just haven't seen enough.  She would need some serious vetting.  

Depth of issues lol. That sounds so old world, pre trump universe. 

mrussel1

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

I think Tulsi is a candidate for VP.  I don't know enough about her as to whether she has the depth of understanding of issues yet.  I just haven't seen enough.  She would need some serious vetting.  

Depth of issues lol. That sounds so old world, pre trump universe. 

Sadly,  I suppose you're right.  

dignin

POLLERCOASTER 2020: HOW TO WIN WISCONSIN

https://crooked.com/articles/pollercoaster-2020-wisconsin/

The poll referenced.

https://www.changeresearch.com/crooked-change-wisconsin-aug-2019

Interesting stuff in here.

brianlux

what dreams said:

The next time someone calls Marianne Williamson the spirit rock lady instead of using her name, I'll remember to get outraged.

She has no chance at all of becoming president in 2020 but I sure do like here.  She's smart, compassionate, committed to her beliefs and I think it's cool that she adds some good soulful spirituality to the mix.  Much respect for her.

Spiritual_Chaos

brianlux said:

what dreams said:

The next time someone calls Marianne Williamson the spirit rock lady instead of using her name, I'll remember to get outraged.

She has no chance at all of becoming president in 2020 but I sure do like here.  She's smart, compassionate, committed to her beliefs and I think it's cool that she adds some good soulful spirituality to the mix.  Much respect for her.

Presidential candidate Marianne Williamson told AIDS patients that sickness is ‘an illusion’

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/08/03/presidential-candidate-marianne-williamson-told-aids-patients-sickness-is-an-illusion/

Spiritual_Chaos

Sanders Unveils Plan to End Cash Bail, Ban Private Prisons, and 'Fundamentally Transform' US Criminal Justice System

To remedy this dysfunctional and devastating system, Sanders' platform—detailed on his website—calls for:

• A ban on private prisons as part of a broader effort to "end profiteering in our criminal justice system";
• An end to cash bail, which traps poor Americans in a cycle of debt;
• Halting excessive sentencing "with the goal of cutting the incarcerated population in half";
• Transformation of policing by ensuring oversight and accountability for law enforcement, banning use facial recognition software by law enforcement, and ending "programs that provide military equipment to local police";
• Abolishing the death penalty;
• Legalization of marijuana and erasure of past marijuana convictions; and
• An end to the criminalization of addiction by funding adequate treatment for those addicted to opioids.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/08/18/sanders-unveils-plan-end-cash-bail-ban-private-prisons-and-fundamentally-transform

Sanders - at least trying to bring the US into the 21th century and inline with countries that actually work. 

brianlux

Spiritual_Chaos said:

brianlux said:

what dreams said:

The next time someone calls Marianne Williamson the spirit rock lady instead of using her name, I'll remember to get outraged.

She has no chance at all of becoming president in 2020 but I sure do like here.  She's smart, compassionate, committed to her beliefs and I think it's cool that she adds some good soulful spirituality to the mix.  Much respect for her.

Presidential candidate Marianne Williamson told AIDS patients that sickness is ‘an illusion’

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/08/03/presidential-candidate-marianne-williamson-told-aids-patients-sickness-is-an-illusion/

That was a rather dumb thing for her to say but I believe that statement was made in 1980.  Also, she has a large amount of support from the LGBTQ community.

Anyway, I think I'm done with forums for the day.  It seems like here and elsewhere a lot of people ares in a contentious mood.  Say  one thing, someone else refutes it.  It's not just about you S_C, it's all over the internet today.   I know it's the norm for on-line forums, but today I have no desire for it. 

Have a nice Sunday all, I'm outta here.

Spiritual_Chaos

brianlux said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

brianlux said:

what dreams said:

The next time someone calls Marianne Williamson the spirit rock lady instead of using her name, I'll remember to get outraged.

She has no chance at all of becoming president in 2020 but I sure do like here.  She's smart, compassionate, committed to her beliefs and I think it's cool that she adds some good soulful spirituality to the mix.  Much respect for her.

Presidential candidate Marianne Williamson told AIDS patients that sickness is ‘an illusion’

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/08/03/presidential-candidate-marianne-williamson-told-aids-patients-sickness-is-an-illusion/

That was a rather dumb thing for her to say but I believe that statement was made in 1980.  Also, she has a large amount of support from the LGBTQ community.

Anyway, I think I'm done with forums for the day.  It seems like here and elsewhere a lot of people ares in a contentious mood.  Say  one thing, someone else refutes it.  It's not just about you S_C, it's all over the internet today.   I know it's the norm for on-line forums, but today I have no desire for it. 

Have a nice Sunday all, I'm outta here.

It's okey. I'm gonna put on Comes a Times before sleep.

Spiritual_Chaos

Bernie x Cardi B

https://youtu.be/p1ubTsrZFBU

Lerxst1992

dignin said:

POLLERCOASTER 2020: HOW TO WIN WISCONSIN

https://crooked.com/articles/pollercoaster-2020-wisconsin/

The poll referenced.

https://www.changeresearch.com/crooked-change-wisconsin-aug-2019

Interesting stuff in here.

For those that believe the BernieLiz brand of socialism will get to the presidency next year, check out this excerpt relating to WI (a state dem leadership recently told us was part of some supposed blue wall):

"This has given Republicans a 10-point advantage on the question of which party voters trust to handle the economy and jobs, including an 18-point advantage among independents and a 25-point advantage among undecided voters."

Close states like WI will be decided by independents. Go ahead Bernie. Convince them. 


 

Spiritual_Chaos

"..So yes your candidate might be better on, I don’t know, healthcare than Joe is, but you’ve got to look at who’s going to win this election and maybe you have to swallow a little bit and say ok I personally like so and so better but your bottom line has to be that... ..so if you’re looking at that you’ve got to look at the polls, and you know a lot of the times I say oh you know polls don’t mean anything...but if they’re consistent and if they’re consistently saying the same thing, I think you can’t dismiss that..."

https://twitter.com/robdelaney/status/1163690645376159745

Joe Bidens wife agrees that Joe might not be best candidate , but he's a safe choice.

Let's brake yourselves up a hill.

mrussel1

That isn't what Jill Biden is saying.  You're misunderstanding the nuance of the statement. 

mcgruff10

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/20/politics/cnn-poll-democrats-2020-biden-rebound/index.html

CNN Poll: Joe Biden regains double-digit lead over 2020 Democratic field

WASHINGTON (CNN)Joe Biden has expanded his edge over the Democratic field in a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS, with 29% of Democratic and Democratic-leaning registered voters saying they back the former vice president.

That's up 7 points compared with a late June CNN survey. No other candidate has made meaningful gains over that time.

The shift returns Biden to a double-digit lead over his nearest competitors, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders at 15% and Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren at 14%. Their support is largely unchanged since earlier this summer.

RELATED: Full poll results

Aside from Biden's increase, the only statistically meaningful change in the candidate standings is a 12-point decline in support for California Sen. Kamala Harris, who stood at 17% support in the June poll but now has the backing of 5% of potential Democratic voters. That's similar to the level of support she had in the spring before a surge following her initial debate performance.

Biden's advantage in the poll is boosted by stronger support from self-identified Democrats (31%) than from independents (23%), older voters (34% among those age 45 and older) than younger ones (23% among those under age 45) and from moderate and conservative voters (34%) than liberals (22%).

Among liberals, in fact, the race is a near three-way tie: 23% choose Warren and 22% each back Biden and Sanders. No other candidate even hits 5% among this group.

Biden is also bolstered by those voters who say their top priority is choosing a candidate with a strong chance of beating President Donald Trump, a group that makes up 54% of Democratic and Democratic-leaning registered voters (35% in that group support Biden). That group has shrunk slightly since June, when 61% said defeating Trump outweighed nominating a candidate who "shares your positions on major issues."

While Democrats do not appear sharply divided on this question by ideology (53% of liberals and 57% of moderate or conservative Democratic voters say beating Trump is more important), race (54% among whites and non-whites prioritize beating Trump) or partisanship (52% of self-identified Democrats prioritize beating Trump as do 59% of Democratic-leaning independents), there are notable divisions by age and by education among whites, which highlights the challenge facing candidates when they attempt to appeal to those on both sides of this line.

Among those under age 45, 56% say it's more important to nominate a candidate who shares your positions on issues, while 66% of those age 45 and older say it's more important to nominate someone who can defeat Trump. Among whites without college degrees, 49% say it's more important to nominate someone who shares their view on issues while 45% say beating Trump is more important, but among whites with a college degree, 65% say it's more important to beat Trump.

Spiritual_Chaos

mrussel1

It's interesting that Harris has taken such a beating after the segregation cheap shot.  I think as it marinated over a few weeks,  people understood that it was dirty and have punished her for it.  Good on the voters. 

mcgruff10

mrussel1 said:

It's interesting that Harris has taken such a beating after the segregation cheap shot.  I think as it marinated over a few weeks,  people understood that it was dirty and have punished her for it.  Good on the voters. 

Just read this:
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/cnn-poll-08-20-19/index.html

Kamala Harris couldn't recapture lightning in the second debates

Kamala Harris was off and running after the June debates. She hit 17% in our poll and 20% in Quinnipiac University's poll following her performance on the debate stage in Miami.

Now in our latest polls, Quinnipiac and we have her at 7% and 5% respectively.

The second debate in Detroit didn't cause most of Harris' drop. She was already down to 12% in a late July poll by Quinnipiac.

Still, the California senator seemed to be holding onto some of her first debate bounce coming into the CNN debates. I wrote at the time "why Kamala Harris needs another strong debate." That didn't happen.

Harris is now considerably weaker across the board. She dropped by over 10 points with whites and nonwhites. She declined by 9 points or more with those under the age of 50 as well those aged 50 and older.

Her biggest drop might have been among liberals. She went from 24% in late June to only 4% now.

Harris' decline is seen in other questions too. When asked which candidates they'd like to hear more about, 30% said Harris in late June. That was more than any other candidate. Now, only 18% say they want to hear more about Harris. That's slightly behind Elizabeth Warren, who clocked in at 20%.

For now, the polling puts Harris not in the first or even second tier. She's in a third tier with Pete Buttigieg.

cincybearcat

These polls will continue to change.  What this says to me now though, is that if the more liberal parts of the party could settle on 1 candidate (Sanders or Warren), they would have a legit shot at being the front runner now.

It's seems the more moderates have decided to abandon Harris and go all in on Biden.