How to stop White Terrorism in the U.S
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oftenreading said:PJPOWER said:oftenreading said:bbiggs said:oftenreading said:So, has Antifa killed anyone yet? Anyone at all?
Just wondering at what point we can lay the “both sides are equally bad” narrative to rest.
Do you want to answer the question? Have they killed anyone yet or not?
Maybe the two sides aren't the same.
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oftenreading said:cincybearcat said:oftenreading said:So, has Antifa killed anyone yet? Anyone at all?
Just wondering at what point we can lay the “both sides are equally bad” narrative to rest.
What do you think?
What I think is that there is no evidence of ties to Antifa other than the fact that he once reportedly retweeted an Antifa tweet. Is that our standard now?
I think it's a typical reach by the right to link it to Antifa.
I think is pretty obvious that white supremacists are the most dangerous group of domestic terrorists.
I think that extremists of any kind are dangerous though. I think the Dayton shooter is likely not Antifa and making a political statement, but social media hate has allowed his hate to be nurtured and grow.
Really like the plan Pete laid out on this recently.hippiemom = goodness0 -
I'm opposed to all political anarchists, regardless of what end of the spectrum they are from.
With that being said, if you think antifa is as big a problem for America as white supremacists, you really need to seek out better news sources, and while you're at it, bone up on your American history too.
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cincybearcat said:oftenreading said:cincybearcat said:oftenreading said:So, has Antifa killed anyone yet? Anyone at all?
Just wondering at what point we can lay the “both sides are equally bad” narrative to rest.
What do you think?
What I think is that there is no evidence of ties to Antifa other than the fact that he once reportedly retweeted an Antifa tweet. Is that our standard now?
I think it's a typical reach by the right to link it to Antifa.
I think is pretty obvious that white supremacists are the most dangerous group of domestic terrorists.
I think that extremists of any kind are dangerous though. I think the Dayton shooter is likely not Antifa and making a political statement, but social media hate has allowed his hate to be nurtured and grow.
Really like the plan Pete laid out on this recently.
No, I'm not calling CNN "the right", I'm saying that there is fairly good evidence that "the right" attempts to promote any ties to the left that they can find for any acts of aggression, and when they can't find them, they make them up, e.g. "false flag operations".my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
PJPOWER said:oftenreading said:PJPOWER said:oftenreading said:bbiggs said:oftenreading said:So, has Antifa killed anyone yet? Anyone at all?
Just wondering at what point we can lay the “both sides are equally bad” narrative to rest.
Do you want to answer the question? Have they killed anyone yet or not?
Maybe the two sides aren't the same.
"Of course they are not the same" is not what I've been hearing from Trump, from the GOP, and from some people on this board for a while now. Good to have it clarified that we're all on the same page on this.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
mickeyrat said:
A former friend of Betts, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to maintain her privacy, said she and Betts’s group of friends had a reputation at Bellbrook as “the emo kids, the outcast kids that the cool kids didn’t really like.” The group of about a half-dozen people dressed in dark clothing, including Betts, she said.
On weekends, the friends would sometimes smoke marijuana or drink alcohol, she said, but most often, they just “hung out and chilled,” making idle conversation.
That was when Betts would meditate on “death and dark, morbid stuff,” she said. He also told at least one member of the group that he sometimes heard disembodied voices.
Betts also liked to talk about politics, the friend said. He registered as a Democrat in 2012, and in high school he would frequently trash Republicans, she said.
A now-suspended Twitter feed — which included several selfies of Betts and his family, and referenced growing up in the Dayton area — suggests far-left political beliefs, concern over climate change and a penchant for violent jokes.
The Washington Post captured more than 3,000 tweets on the account, which was created in December 2013 and used the handle @iamthespookster. The owner was an avid and frequent user of the social media site — before the account was suspended late Sunday night. A Twitter spokesperson said that the company removes all “content that violates our policies and will be engaged with law enforcement, as appropriate” but declined to elaborate further.
In addition to occasional selfies and pictures of a Betts family dog, the user often tweeted in support of policies and programs associated with far-left American politics.
The user also retweeted posts criticizing capitalism, and at least once retweeted an item jokingly calling for the “beheading” of oil executives as a way to combat climate change. A retweeted post that suggested that people who order a “Twix Frappuccino” or a “Strawberry Cheesecake”-flavored drink from Starbucks should be choked by the barista was also on the account, as well as a picture of Gandalf — photoshopped to make the wizard cradle a rifle — along with the caption “swords are no more use here.”
The user also retweeted a post that, along with images of news stories about the resumption of capital punishment in the United States, among other things, instructed users of the social media site to “buy a gun and learn to use it responsibly” because “you may need to protect yourself.”
A few days before the shooting, the user was riled up about the Equifax data breach and retweeted a July 29 post reading: “Losing your personal information in a massive data breach is just a thing that happens now, like 110 degree days and regular mass shootings.”
Kevin Williams and Arelis R. Hernandez in Dayton and Alex Horton, Julie Tate, Jennifer Jenkins and Hannah Knowles in Washington contributed to this story.
Thanks for posting the article.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
oftenreading said:PJPOWER said:oftenreading said:PJPOWER said:oftenreading said:bbiggs said:oftenreading said:So, has Antifa killed anyone yet? Anyone at all?
Just wondering at what point we can lay the “both sides are equally bad” narrative to rest.
Do you want to answer the question? Have they killed anyone yet or not?
Maybe the two sides aren't the same.
"Of course they are not the same" is not what I've been hearing from Trump, from the GOP, and from some people on this board for a while now. Good to have it clarified that we're all on the same page on this.Post edited by PJPOWER on0 -
PJPOWER said:oftenreading said:PJPOWER said:oftenreading said:PJPOWER said:oftenreading said:bbiggs said:oftenreading said:So, has Antifa killed anyone yet? Anyone at all?
Just wondering at what point we can lay the “both sides are equally bad” narrative to rest.
Do you want to answer the question? Have they killed anyone yet or not?
Maybe the two sides aren't the same.
"Of course they are not the same" is not what I've been hearing from Trump, from the GOP, and from some people on this board for a while now. Good to have it clarified that we're all on the same page on this.
Interesting that credible, high level law enforcement do not view them as the same, in terms of risk to the US, so I would again disagree with you.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
oftenreading said:PJPOWER said:oftenreading said:PJPOWER said:oftenreading said:PJPOWER said:oftenreading said:bbiggs said:oftenreading said:So, has Antifa killed anyone yet? Anyone at all?
Just wondering at what point we can lay the “both sides are equally bad” narrative to rest.
Do you want to answer the question? Have they killed anyone yet or not?
Maybe the two sides aren't the same.
"Of course they are not the same" is not what I've been hearing from Trump, from the GOP, and from some people on this board for a while now. Good to have it clarified that we're all on the same page on this.
Interesting that credible, high level law enforcement do not view them as the same, in terms of risk to the US, so I would again disagree with you.Post edited by PJPOWER on0 -
PJPOWER said:oftenreading said:PJPOWER said:oftenreading said:PJPOWER said:oftenreading said:PJPOWER said:oftenreading said:bbiggs said:oftenreading said:So, has Antifa killed anyone yet? Anyone at all?
Just wondering at what point we can lay the “both sides are equally bad” narrative to rest.
Do you want to answer the question? Have they killed anyone yet or not?
Maybe the two sides aren't the same.
"Of course they are not the same" is not what I've been hearing from Trump, from the GOP, and from some people on this board for a while now. Good to have it clarified that we're all on the same page on this.
Interesting that credible, high level law enforcement do not view them as the same, in terms of risk to the US, so I would again disagree with you.
What has defending or supporting got to do with this discussion? You went back to the "both the same" theme when talking about their propensity for violence, and I'm pointing out that people who know what they're talking about don't think they have the same propensity for violence. I don't see that "bring anything positive to the table" enters in here.
And are you actually saying that you believe that MS-13 is "not as big of a threat to the US as Antifa"? If so, that's absurd, given that they seem to have at least dozens of murders to their "credit", in addition to the other criminal activities.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
oftenreading said:PJPOWER said:oftenreading said:PJPOWER said:oftenreading said:PJPOWER said:oftenreading said:PJPOWER said:oftenreading said:bbiggs said:oftenreading said:So, has Antifa killed anyone yet? Anyone at all?
Just wondering at what point we can lay the “both sides are equally bad” narrative to rest.
Do you want to answer the question? Have they killed anyone yet or not?
Maybe the two sides aren't the same.
"Of course they are not the same" is not what I've been hearing from Trump, from the GOP, and from some people on this board for a while now. Good to have it clarified that we're all on the same page on this.
Interesting that credible, high level law enforcement do not view them as the same, in terms of risk to the US, so I would again disagree with you.
What has defending or supporting got to do with this discussion? You went back to the "both the same" theme when talking about their propensity for violence, and I'm pointing out that people who know what they're talking about don't think they have the same propensity for violence. I don't see that "bring anything positive to the table" enters in here.
And are you actually saying that you believe that MS-13 is "not as big of a threat to the US as Antifa"? If so, that's absurd, given that they seem to have at least dozens of murders to their "credit", in addition to the other criminal activities.
And when I asked if you were defending them, it was because I believe that defending either group is wrong, regardless if they have the same exact “propensity for violence”. The End!
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PJPOWER said:oftenreading said:PJPOWER said:oftenreading said:PJPOWER said:oftenreading said:PJPOWER said:oftenreading said:PJPOWER said:oftenreading said:bbiggs said:oftenreading said:So, has Antifa killed anyone yet? Anyone at all?
Just wondering at what point we can lay the “both sides are equally bad” narrative to rest.
Do you want to answer the question? Have they killed anyone yet or not?
Maybe the two sides aren't the same.
"Of course they are not the same" is not what I've been hearing from Trump, from the GOP, and from some people on this board for a while now. Good to have it clarified that we're all on the same page on this.
Interesting that credible, high level law enforcement do not view them as the same, in terms of risk to the US, so I would again disagree with you.
What has defending or supporting got to do with this discussion? You went back to the "both the same" theme when talking about their propensity for violence, and I'm pointing out that people who know what they're talking about don't think they have the same propensity for violence. I don't see that "bring anything positive to the table" enters in here.
And are you actually saying that you believe that MS-13 is "not as big of a threat to the US as Antifa"? If so, that's absurd, given that they seem to have at least dozens of murders to their "credit", in addition to the other criminal activities.
And when I asked if you were defending them, it was because I believe that defending either group is wrong, regardless if they have the same exact “propensity for violence”. The End!
The director of the FBI was my source for the law enforcement comment.
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PJPOWER said:oftenreading said:PJPOWER said:oftenreading said:PJPOWER said:oftenreading said:PJPOWER said:oftenreading said:PJPOWER said:oftenreading said:bbiggs said:oftenreading said:So, has Antifa killed anyone yet? Anyone at all?
Just wondering at what point we can lay the “both sides are equally bad” narrative to rest.
Do you want to answer the question? Have they killed anyone yet or not?
Maybe the two sides aren't the same.
"Of course they are not the same" is not what I've been hearing from Trump, from the GOP, and from some people on this board for a while now. Good to have it clarified that we're all on the same page on this.
Interesting that credible, high level law enforcement do not view them as the same, in terms of risk to the US, so I would again disagree with you.
What has defending or supporting got to do with this discussion? You went back to the "both the same" theme when talking about their propensity for violence, and I'm pointing out that people who know what they're talking about don't think they have the same propensity for violence. I don't see that "bring anything positive to the table" enters in here.
And are you actually saying that you believe that MS-13 is "not as big of a threat to the US as Antifa"? If so, that's absurd, given that they seem to have at least dozens of murders to their "credit", in addition to the other criminal activities.
And when I asked if you were defending them, it was because I believe that defending either group is wrong, regardless if they have the same exact “propensity for violence”. The End!my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
If your contribution to a thread titled "How to stop White Terrorism in the U.S' is to bring up MS-13 and / or Antifa...
Yikes
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Merkin Baller said:
If your contribution to a thread titled "How to stop White Terrorism in the U.S' is to bring up MS-13 and / or Antifa...
Yikes
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cincybearcat said:Oh fuck it. People just read what they want to read.0
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Halifax2TheMax said:oftenreading said:A racist, white supremacist drives 9 hours to commit a mass murder and says that he was driven to it because of immigration, and people actually agree with him and say that this is an indicator that immigration is partly to blame? A big hell no to that!
The purported motives of a mass murderer should not be influencing our policies; logic, science, compassion and law should influence our policies. If this mass murderer drove to a setting mostly filled with women, shot a few dozen women and girls, and said that he was driven to it because of the problems of feminism, would people agree and say yeah, we need to do something about all of these uppity women driving men to violence?
It's bizarre that people actually think that "immigration helped bring this violence forward". Guns and racism brought this violence forward.0 -
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