The Democratic Candidates

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Bernie forgot to mention tax rates in his tweet.  That's seems like an unusual oversight on his part.  

No. Its pretty obvious. 

Abd with our tax rates that you fear so much and losing big compared to by any quality of life metric - we pay half of your cost in health care. And were pretty expensive compared to other European countries.

so just go to bed with your me-me-me outllok on society. 

Yep I'll do that gladly with my 24% effective rate.  Thanks.  And you can sleep well in your second rate country as well.  I aim high,  you aim... let's call it mediocre at best. 

I pay 25%. If you are speaking percentage of pay. 

You still pay double for your healthcare. So be daft if you wish to.

And show me one Quality of Life metric where Sweden would be "second rate" compared to the US?

Fucking debate from within reality if you gonna debate. But obviously you are unable to.

"B-b-but MRI if I pay for it. B-b-but WW2. B-b-but magic eagles soaring over our land. F-f-fuck everyone else"

The Nickelback of arguments.

what dreams said:

^^^  Is the issue really that Americans are just sicker than the Swedes and therefore take more medicine?

When will a candidate turn to the American people and say, "Take responsibility for yourselves. Quit eating shit, start exercising, drink all your water, quit smoking, get enough sleep, manage your stress -- then maybe you won't be spending so much on medication"?  When will someone turn to the industrial food manufacturers and say "Enough is enough, you're killing people"? At what point will WE demand that Congress stop subsidizing corn, wheat ,and soy to produce all the crap food people are eating, and start subsidizing a sustainable agriculture system that produces a wealth of crops known to be human life-sustaining? When does a candidate run on "Free Gym Memberships for Everybody!!" instead of promising them "Free Pills!!" to keep them alive in their miserable health? 

Marianne Williamson for President!!

For goodness sake, let's change the conversation in this country around health care. 

what dreams said:

hedonist said:

what dreams said:

^^^  Is the issue really that Americans are just sicker than the Swedes and therefore take more medicine?

When will a candidate turn to the American people and say, "Take responsibility for yourselves. Quit eating shit, start exercising, drink all your water, quit smoking, get enough sleep, manage your stress -- then maybe you won't be spending so much on medication"?  When will someone turn to the industrial food manufacturers and say "Enough is enough, you're killing people"? At what point will WE demand that Congress stop subsidizing corn, wheat ,and soy to produce all the crap food people are eating, and start subsidizing a sustainable agriculture system that produces a wealth of crops known to be human life-sustaining? When does a candidate run on "Free Gym Memberships for Everybody!!" instead of promising them "Free Pills!!" to keep them alive in their miserable health? 

Marianne Williamson for President!!

For goodness sake, let's change the conversation in this country around health care. 

I don't disagree at all, but what of those who have been taking the (supposed) right steps and still get sick?  Those who by the luck of the draw become ill?  People like me who had a hand in their illness (cirrhosis) but are now on a healthier path?  The cost of insurance alone is prohibitive...being out of work and having to pay over $800 *edit - monthly for coverage could be considered pretty stressful.  And the healthy ones whose insurance is still sky-high?  Then factor in dependents, spouse, etc...

Or simply when life happens.

These questions aren't for you - or anyone, really - to answer.  I'm not sure there are answers. 

(Brian, what the hell is an "Official Curator of Feminine Divinity"?  I feel like I'm missing some newfangled buzzword you crazy kids use.) 

Hedonist, I understand that life happens. I am a thyroid cancer survivor, and other than living in Chernobyl, there is really no other known cause for it besides just bad luck. Great health insurance enabled me to get well for the low, low cost of $1300 out of pocket. I have a best friend who recently died from a rare autoimmune disease after four liver transplants and a new kidney. Thank God for her and her family that she had excellent insurance. This is the essence of insurance. It's supposed to be for unexpected catastrophes.

Metabolic syndrome, caused by feeding on cheeseburgers and lasagna while sitting in front of the TV over a lifetime, is personal negligence, not an accidental catastrophe. I just looked up the costs of this epidemic and found this:

"The total cost of the malady including the cost of health care and loss of potential economic activity is in the trillions. The present trend is not sustainable unless a magic cure is found (unlikely) or concerted global/governmental/societal efforts are made to change the lifestyle that is promoting it."  (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5866840/)

I am not against getting to universal healthcare by allowing people to opt in to Medicare. I am not against the individual mandate and required coverage of pre-existing conditions. I would like very much for there to be price controls on life-saving drugs and for insurance companies to bring premiums and deductibles down. But we will never, ever get there if we continue to excuse people from their responsibility in their exorbitant health costs.       

https://youtu.be/GMoGg_PYIC0

PJ_Soul said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mickeyrat said:

mrussel1 said:

The Juggler said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

You can agree with Biden. 

Or you can agree with Harris. 

Or, you can agree with Trump:

Asked again about busing, Trump says: "It has been something that they've done for a long period of time. There aren't that many ways of getting people to schools."

King Moron. 

Technically he is correct.  There are probably 5 ways.  Buses, walking, rides, skateboard, bike.  The dude is playing 3d chess.  You're just not up to the game. 

  jet packs. where are the goddamned jet packs. supposed to have them by now.....

for space force school......

https://youtu.be/01qgI5NL5HA

That thing is fucking awesome - the future is officially here. Now can we please stop calling those things that are still on wheels hover boards??

PJ_Soul said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mickeyrat said:

mrussel1 said:

The Juggler said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

You can agree with Biden. 

Or you can agree with Harris. 

Or, you can agree with Trump:

Asked again about busing, Trump says: "It has been something that they've done for a long period of time. There aren't that many ways of getting people to schools."

King Moron. 

Technically he is correct.  There are probably 5 ways.  Buses, walking, rides, skateboard, bike.  The dude is playing 3d chess.  You're just not up to the game. 

  jet packs. where are the goddamned jet packs. supposed to have them by now.....

for space force school......

https://youtu.be/01qgI5NL5HA

That thing is fucking awesome - the future is officially here. Now can we please stop calling those things that are still on wheels hover boards??

CM189191 said:

CM189191 said:

PJPOWER said:

CM189191 said:

Partisan hack

Bootlicker

what dreams said:

Lerxst1992 said:

what dreams said:

^^^  Is the issue really that Americans are just sicker than the Swedes and therefore take more medicine?

When will a candidate turn to the American people and say, "Take responsibility for yourselves. Quit eating shit, start exercising, drink all your water, quit smoking, get enough sleep, manage your stress -- then maybe you won't be spending so much on medication"?  When will someone turn to the industrial food manufacturers and say "Enough is enough, you're killing people"? At what point will WE demand that Congress stop subsidizing corn, wheat ,and soy to produce all the crap food people are eating, and start subsidizing a sustainable agriculture system that produces a wealth of crops known to be human life-sustaining? When does a candidate run on "Free Gym Memberships for Everybody!!" instead of promising them "Free Pills!!" to keep them alive in their miserable health? 

Marianne Williamson for President!!

For goodness sake, let's change the conversation in this country around health care. 

Probably the worst 10c comment ever. Congrats. 

Blame the victim is the most childish and uninformed position to take.

Have you ever considered some on here have family member who were BORN WITH conditions that require medicine costing THOUSANDS of dollars a year?

Of course not.  Because people like you only care about people like you.

The truth is other countries negotiate ON BEHALF OF THEIR CITIZENS TO ACQUIRE THE SAME DRUGS AT A FRACTION OF THE UNIT COST.

Yes americans subsidize foreign countries.

I'm assuming you did not read my follow up comment to Hedonist. I'm very aware that people are born with conditions. I absolutely believe that uses of insurance are not equal. 

Hyperbolic attacks on people will get us nowhere. Being truthful about the complexity of the issue will.