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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Thugs and cowards...people who cover their face while committing a crime are COWARDS and should get 20 years minimum...NO PAROLE.
    Many states actually having anti-masking laws...mostly put into place back in the day because of the KKK. But Oregon isn't one of those states. Here's a list of which states have those laws, which don't, and what the laws actually are...

    http://www.anapsid.org/cnd/mcs/maskcodes.html
    It should be a federal law...just cowards and thugs...far right/left thugs need to be jailed.  Protest peacefully or go to jail...
    I think most places have the same view.  Oregonians have just taken it upon themselves to turn their state/city into a shithole and let these thugs run wild.  
    Portland in particular.  That used to be a great town.  What a sh*thole it's become.
    It seems like there's a lot of that happening out west these days. I can't believe what's become of San Francisco. 
    I grew up about 30 miles south of San Francisco, lived in S.F. for about 4 years and still get down there three or four times a year.  It used to be such a fine town- a place where just about anyone could live.  Now it's all wealthy people and hoards of homeless people.  It's become a very strange place to me!
    You'd think the wealthy would try to help the homeless. Isn't that was the democratic party is all about? Helping the less fortunate? 
    No remember the tax cuts for the wealthy the trickle down effect has never worked and why do you blame the Democrats? 
    Well it's a city full of democrats. There were 276,855 registered democrats in San Francisco and only 42,922 registered Republicans in 2013. And since 2013, I'd wager a guess it's only become more democratic. So the Democrats that run San Francisco, in particular, Nancy Pelosi who has represented it's 12th district since 1987, are to blame. If Dallas, Texas ever becomes overrun with homelessness, with the smell of human fecal matter in the downtown air, I'll blame the Republicans. 
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,641
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Thugs and cowards...people who cover their face while committing a crime are COWARDS and should get 20 years minimum...NO PAROLE.
    Many states actually having anti-masking laws...mostly put into place back in the day because of the KKK. But Oregon isn't one of those states. Here's a list of which states have those laws, which don't, and what the laws actually are...

    http://www.anapsid.org/cnd/mcs/maskcodes.html
    It should be a federal law...just cowards and thugs...far right/left thugs need to be jailed.  Protest peacefully or go to jail...
    I think most places have the same view.  Oregonians have just taken it upon themselves to turn their state/city into a shithole and let these thugs run wild.  
    Portland in particular.  That used to be a great town.  What a sh*thole it's become.
    It seems like there's a lot of that happening out west these days. I can't believe what's become of San Francisco. 
    I grew up about 30 miles south of San Francisco, lived in S.F. for about 4 years and still get down there three or four times a year.  It used to be such a fine town- a place where just about anyone could live.  Now it's all wealthy people and hoards of homeless people.  It's become a very strange place to me!
    You'd think the wealthy would try to help the homeless. Isn't that was the democratic party is all about? Helping the less fortunate? 
    No remember the tax cuts for the wealthy the trickle down effect has never worked and why do you blame the Democrats? 
    Well it's a city full of democrats. There were 276,855 registered democrats in San Francisco and only 42,922 registered Republicans in 2013. And since 2013, I'd wager a guess it's only become more democratic. So the Democrats that run San Francisco, in particular, Nancy Pelosi who has represented it's 12th district since 1987, are to blame. If Dallas, Texas ever becomes overrun with homelessness, with the smell of human fecal matter in the downtown air, I'll blame the Republicans. 
    Ok you can blame the homeless on the Democrats I’ll blame the concentration camps on the Republicans 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,680
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Thugs and cowards...people who cover their face while committing a crime are COWARDS and should get 20 years minimum...NO PAROLE.
    Many states actually having anti-masking laws...mostly put into place back in the day because of the KKK. But Oregon isn't one of those states. Here's a list of which states have those laws, which don't, and what the laws actually are...

    http://www.anapsid.org/cnd/mcs/maskcodes.html
    It should be a federal law...just cowards and thugs...far right/left thugs need to be jailed.  Protest peacefully or go to jail...
    I think most places have the same view.  Oregonians have just taken it upon themselves to turn their state/city into a shithole and let these thugs run wild.  
    Portland in particular.  That used to be a great town.  What a sh*thole it's become.
    It seems like there's a lot of that happening out west these days. I can't believe what's become of San Francisco. 
    I grew up about 30 miles south of San Francisco, lived in S.F. for about 4 years and still get down there three or four times a year.  It used to be such a fine town- a place where just about anyone could live.  Now it's all wealthy people and hoards of homeless people.  It's become a very strange place to me!
    You'd think the wealthy would try to help the homeless. Isn't that was the democratic party is all about? Helping the less fortunate? 
    No remember the tax cuts for the wealthy the trickle down effect has never worked and why do you blame the Democrats? Remember the Baffoon just stated that homelessness started two years ago so in other words under his watch ..
    Homelessness really isn't a federal issue at all. It's a regional one. City governments and state governments need to be held responsible more than anyone, and they are the ones who need to work to fix the problem. Solutions would include dedicated modular housing with in-house support systems built in (build them and then literally hit the streets with the help of specially trained police and get the people living on the sidewalks into the housing, where resources are waiting, and where security exists), and a much more robust mental healthcare and addictions aid system that actually provides enough rooms/beds for those in need of that kind of assistance. Also, clearly, immediate remedies for sanitation for the homeless are needed desperately. All of these things are provided at the city and state level. And of course, some kind of real housing market control is required for such cities, including rent control. From what I can tell, the San Fran and Seattle politicians (Vancouver's too) have COMPLETELY dropped the ball. Here where I am the current governments are attempting to play catch-up after years of complete neglect when it comes to these issues, but catching up with these issues is so unbelievably difficult - the amount of money that suddenly needs to be poured into the issue in a short amount of time makes it very hard... but it is still necessary. It's a crisis situation, and must just be undertaken, no matter how difficult. Resources need to be rerouted towards it.
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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Thugs and cowards...people who cover their face while committing a crime are COWARDS and should get 20 years minimum...NO PAROLE.
    Many states actually having anti-masking laws...mostly put into place back in the day because of the KKK. But Oregon isn't one of those states. Here's a list of which states have those laws, which don't, and what the laws actually are...

    http://www.anapsid.org/cnd/mcs/maskcodes.html
    It should be a federal law...just cowards and thugs...far right/left thugs need to be jailed.  Protest peacefully or go to jail...
    I think most places have the same view.  Oregonians have just taken it upon themselves to turn their state/city into a shithole and let these thugs run wild.  
    Portland in particular.  That used to be a great town.  What a sh*thole it's become.
    It seems like there's a lot of that happening out west these days. I can't believe what's become of San Francisco. 
    I grew up about 30 miles south of San Francisco, lived in S.F. for about 4 years and still get down there three or four times a year.  It used to be such a fine town- a place where just about anyone could live.  Now it's all wealthy people and hoards of homeless people.  It's become a very strange place to me!
    You'd think the wealthy would try to help the homeless. Isn't that was the democratic party is all about? Helping the less fortunate? 
    No remember the tax cuts for the wealthy the trickle down effect has never worked and why do you blame the Democrats? 
    Well it's a city full of democrats. There were 276,855 registered democrats in San Francisco and only 42,922 registered Republicans in 2013. And since 2013, I'd wager a guess it's only become more democratic. So the Democrats that run San Francisco, in particular, Nancy Pelosi who has represented it's 12th district since 1987, are to blame. If Dallas, Texas ever becomes overrun with homelessness, with the smell of human fecal matter in the downtown air, I'll blame the Republicans. 
    Ok you can blame the homeless on the Democrats I’ll blame the concentration camps on the Republicans 
    Yeah because we talking about concentration camps. What a cop-out response. 
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Thugs and cowards...people who cover their face while committing a crime are COWARDS and should get 20 years minimum...NO PAROLE.
    Many states actually having anti-masking laws...mostly put into place back in the day because of the KKK. But Oregon isn't one of those states. Here's a list of which states have those laws, which don't, and what the laws actually are...

    http://www.anapsid.org/cnd/mcs/maskcodes.html
    It should be a federal law...just cowards and thugs...far right/left thugs need to be jailed.  Protest peacefully or go to jail...
    I think most places have the same view.  Oregonians have just taken it upon themselves to turn their state/city into a shithole and let these thugs run wild.  
    Portland in particular.  That used to be a great town.  What a sh*thole it's become.
    It seems like there's a lot of that happening out west these days. I can't believe what's become of San Francisco. 
    I grew up about 30 miles south of San Francisco, lived in S.F. for about 4 years and still get down there three or four times a year.  It used to be such a fine town- a place where just about anyone could live.  Now it's all wealthy people and hoards of homeless people.  It's become a very strange place to me!
    You'd think the wealthy would try to help the homeless. Isn't that was the democratic party is all about? Helping the less fortunate? 
    No remember the tax cuts for the wealthy the trickle down effect has never worked and why do you blame the Democrats? 
    Well it's a city full of democrats. There were 276,855 registered democrats in San Francisco and only 42,922 registered Republicans in 2013. And since 2013, I'd wager a guess it's only become more democratic. So the Democrats that run San Francisco, in particular, Nancy Pelosi who has represented it's 12th district since 1987, are to blame. If Dallas, Texas ever becomes overrun with homelessness, with the smell of human fecal matter in the downtown air, I'll blame the Republicans. 
    Yup, this current west coast blight is absolutely a case of progressive, good intentions with bad consequences. Seattle is a hell hole, and it isn't due to lack of compassion, or lack of funding. It is due to compassionate politics that hold the guilty blameless. They enable bad behavior and don't uphold the rule of law. People can camp on sidewalks, shit on sidewalks, carry 3 grams of opiates around with them, etc... and have no problem with the cops, because the cops are powerless and the prosecutors won't prosecute, and the mayor funds navigation teams to move them from one camp to another. Every one of the people in charge is a Dem, and most are progressives. There is a balance between the evil, compassionless GOP, and the misguided, progressive, overly enabling Dems. We just need to find it. Seattle hasn't.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    jeffbr said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Thugs and cowards...people who cover their face while committing a crime are COWARDS and should get 20 years minimum...NO PAROLE.
    Many states actually having anti-masking laws...mostly put into place back in the day because of the KKK. But Oregon isn't one of those states. Here's a list of which states have those laws, which don't, and what the laws actually are...

    http://www.anapsid.org/cnd/mcs/maskcodes.html
    It should be a federal law...just cowards and thugs...far right/left thugs need to be jailed.  Protest peacefully or go to jail...
    I think most places have the same view.  Oregonians have just taken it upon themselves to turn their state/city into a shithole and let these thugs run wild.  
    Portland in particular.  That used to be a great town.  What a sh*thole it's become.
    It seems like there's a lot of that happening out west these days. I can't believe what's become of San Francisco. 
    I grew up about 30 miles south of San Francisco, lived in S.F. for about 4 years and still get down there three or four times a year.  It used to be such a fine town- a place where just about anyone could live.  Now it's all wealthy people and hoards of homeless people.  It's become a very strange place to me!
    You'd think the wealthy would try to help the homeless. Isn't that was the democratic party is all about? Helping the less fortunate? 
    No remember the tax cuts for the wealthy the trickle down effect has never worked and why do you blame the Democrats? 
    Well it's a city full of democrats. There were 276,855 registered democrats in San Francisco and only 42,922 registered Republicans in 2013. And since 2013, I'd wager a guess it's only become more democratic. So the Democrats that run San Francisco, in particular, Nancy Pelosi who has represented it's 12th district since 1987, are to blame. If Dallas, Texas ever becomes overrun with homelessness, with the smell of human fecal matter in the downtown air, I'll blame the Republicans. 
    Yup, this current west coast blight is absolutely a case of progressive, good intentions with bad consequences. Seattle is a hell hole, and it isn't due to lack of compassion, or lack of funding. It is due to compassionate politics that hold the guilty blameless. They enable bad behavior and don't uphold the rule of law. People can camp on sidewalks, shit on sidewalks, carry 3 grams of opiates around with them, etc... and have no problem with the cops, because the cops are powerless and the prosecutors won't prosecute, and the mayor funds navigation teams to move them from one camp to another. Every one of the people in charge is a Dem, and most are progressives. There is a balance between the evil, compassionless GOP, and the misguided, progressive, overly enabling Dems. We just need to find it. Seattle hasn't.
    Couldn't have said it better myself. Great to hear your perspective since you actually live out that way (I'm near Philly). I bolded the parts I found most noteworthy. @josevolution
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,123
    jeffbr said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Thugs and cowards...people who cover their face while committing a crime are COWARDS and should get 20 years minimum...NO PAROLE.
    Many states actually having anti-masking laws...mostly put into place back in the day because of the KKK. But Oregon isn't one of those states. Here's a list of which states have those laws, which don't, and what the laws actually are...

    http://www.anapsid.org/cnd/mcs/maskcodes.html
    It should be a federal law...just cowards and thugs...far right/left thugs need to be jailed.  Protest peacefully or go to jail...
    I think most places have the same view.  Oregonians have just taken it upon themselves to turn their state/city into a shithole and let these thugs run wild.  
    Portland in particular.  That used to be a great town.  What a sh*thole it's become.
    It seems like there's a lot of that happening out west these days. I can't believe what's become of San Francisco. 
    I grew up about 30 miles south of San Francisco, lived in S.F. for about 4 years and still get down there three or four times a year.  It used to be such a fine town- a place where just about anyone could live.  Now it's all wealthy people and hoards of homeless people.  It's become a very strange place to me!
    You'd think the wealthy would try to help the homeless. Isn't that was the democratic party is all about? Helping the less fortunate? 
    No remember the tax cuts for the wealthy the trickle down effect has never worked and why do you blame the Democrats? 
    Well it's a city full of democrats. There were 276,855 registered democrats in San Francisco and only 42,922 registered Republicans in 2013. And since 2013, I'd wager a guess it's only become more democratic. So the Democrats that run San Francisco, in particular, Nancy Pelosi who has represented it's 12th district since 1987, are to blame. If Dallas, Texas ever becomes overrun with homelessness, with the smell of human fecal matter in the downtown air, I'll blame the Republicans. 
    Yup, this current west coast blight is absolutely a case of progressive, good intentions with bad consequences. Seattle is a hell hole, and it isn't due to lack of compassion, or lack of funding. It is due to compassionate politics that hold the guilty blameless. They enable bad behavior and don't uphold the rule of law. People can camp on sidewalks, shit on sidewalks, carry 3 grams of opiates around with them, etc... and have no problem with the cops, because the cops are powerless and the prosecutors won't prosecute, and the mayor funds navigation teams to move them from one camp to another. Every one of the people in charge is a Dem, and most are progressives. There is a balance between the evil, compassionless GOP, and the misguided, progressive, overly enabling Dems. We just need to find it. Seattle hasn't.
    That a crazy what has happened to the west coast, having not visited in over ten years I didn’t realize it was this bad.  

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,680
    edited July 2019
    jeffbr said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Thugs and cowards...people who cover their face while committing a crime are COWARDS and should get 20 years minimum...NO PAROLE.
    Many states actually having anti-masking laws...mostly put into place back in the day because of the KKK. But Oregon isn't one of those states. Here's a list of which states have those laws, which don't, and what the laws actually are...

    http://www.anapsid.org/cnd/mcs/maskcodes.html
    It should be a federal law...just cowards and thugs...far right/left thugs need to be jailed.  Protest peacefully or go to jail...
    I think most places have the same view.  Oregonians have just taken it upon themselves to turn their state/city into a shithole and let these thugs run wild.  
    Portland in particular.  That used to be a great town.  What a sh*thole it's become.
    It seems like there's a lot of that happening out west these days. I can't believe what's become of San Francisco. 
    I grew up about 30 miles south of San Francisco, lived in S.F. for about 4 years and still get down there three or four times a year.  It used to be such a fine town- a place where just about anyone could live.  Now it's all wealthy people and hoards of homeless people.  It's become a very strange place to me!
    You'd think the wealthy would try to help the homeless. Isn't that was the democratic party is all about? Helping the less fortunate? 
    No remember the tax cuts for the wealthy the trickle down effect has never worked and why do you blame the Democrats? 
    Well it's a city full of democrats. There were 276,855 registered democrats in San Francisco and only 42,922 registered Republicans in 2013. And since 2013, I'd wager a guess it's only become more democratic. So the Democrats that run San Francisco, in particular, Nancy Pelosi who has represented it's 12th district since 1987, are to blame. If Dallas, Texas ever becomes overrun with homelessness, with the smell of human fecal matter in the downtown air, I'll blame the Republicans. 
    Yup, this current west coast blight is absolutely a case of progressive, good intentions with bad consequences. Seattle is a hell hole, and it isn't due to lack of compassion, or lack of funding. It is due to compassionate politics that hold the guilty blameless. They enable bad behavior and don't uphold the rule of law. People can camp on sidewalks, shit on sidewalks, carry 3 grams of opiates around with them, etc... and have no problem with the cops, because the cops are powerless and the prosecutors won't prosecute, and the mayor funds navigation teams to move them from one camp to another. Every one of the people in charge is a Dem, and most are progressives. There is a balance between the evil, compassionless GOP, and the misguided, progressive, overly enabling Dems. We just need to find it. Seattle hasn't.
    I agree with all this, but there is yet more to the story. Included in there is also the cost of living crisis in Seattle and San Fran. There is literally no low income housing for people there anymore, and a lot of the homeless wouldn't be homeless if they could find somewhere to rent that they could afford on very meager earnings or just with welfare (I'm talking places for rent under $500USD, which as we know doesn't exist in Seattle or San Fran (or Vancouver) anymore). And the causes of the lack of low income housing are extremely complicated, but can also be blamed on city governments.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    PJ_Soul said:
    jeffbr said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Thugs and cowards...people who cover their face while committing a crime are COWARDS and should get 20 years minimum...NO PAROLE.
    Many states actually having anti-masking laws...mostly put into place back in the day because of the KKK. But Oregon isn't one of those states. Here's a list of which states have those laws, which don't, and what the laws actually are...

    http://www.anapsid.org/cnd/mcs/maskcodes.html
    It should be a federal law...just cowards and thugs...far right/left thugs need to be jailed.  Protest peacefully or go to jail...
    I think most places have the same view.  Oregonians have just taken it upon themselves to turn their state/city into a shithole and let these thugs run wild.  
    Portland in particular.  That used to be a great town.  What a sh*thole it's become.
    It seems like there's a lot of that happening out west these days. I can't believe what's become of San Francisco. 
    I grew up about 30 miles south of San Francisco, lived in S.F. for about 4 years and still get down there three or four times a year.  It used to be such a fine town- a place where just about anyone could live.  Now it's all wealthy people and hoards of homeless people.  It's become a very strange place to me!
    You'd think the wealthy would try to help the homeless. Isn't that was the democratic party is all about? Helping the less fortunate? 
    No remember the tax cuts for the wealthy the trickle down effect has never worked and why do you blame the Democrats? 
    Well it's a city full of democrats. There were 276,855 registered democrats in San Francisco and only 42,922 registered Republicans in 2013. And since 2013, I'd wager a guess it's only become more democratic. So the Democrats that run San Francisco, in particular, Nancy Pelosi who has represented it's 12th district since 1987, are to blame. If Dallas, Texas ever becomes overrun with homelessness, with the smell of human fecal matter in the downtown air, I'll blame the Republicans. 
    Yup, this current west coast blight is absolutely a case of progressive, good intentions with bad consequences. Seattle is a hell hole, and it isn't due to lack of compassion, or lack of funding. It is due to compassionate politics that hold the guilty blameless. They enable bad behavior and don't uphold the rule of law. People can camp on sidewalks, shit on sidewalks, carry 3 grams of opiates around with them, etc... and have no problem with the cops, because the cops are powerless and the prosecutors won't prosecute, and the mayor funds navigation teams to move them from one camp to another. Every one of the people in charge is a Dem, and most are progressives. There is a balance between the evil, compassionless GOP, and the misguided, progressive, overly enabling Dems. We just need to find it. Seattle hasn't.
    I agree with all this, but there is yet more to the story. Included in there is also the cost of living crisis in Seattle and San Fran. There is literally no low income housing for people there anymore, and a lot of the homeless wouldn't be homeless if they could find somewhere to rent that they could afford on very meager earnings or just with welfare (I'm talking places for rent under $500USD, which as we know doesn't exist in Seattle or San Fran (or Vancouver) anymore). And the causes of the lack of low income housing are extremely complicated, but can also be blamed on city governments.
    Can't argue with that. The majority of the population around here is 1 paycheck away from homelessness. I rent a small house in the 'burbs. $2,5000/mo. Insanity.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,262
    Yea, because I shouldn’t be depressed about the higher concentration of wealth among the top 1-5% and see that those in the bottom 2/3rds repeatedly vote fore candidates that perpetuate the myth against their own self interest because, you know, they owned the libs.

    https://apple.news/AQWl45T_2Rb23-nQiZDHVEw

    The vast amounts of wealth concentration is such that it’s affecting the everyday lives of the rest of us.
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Well, according to Trump, homelessness started 2 years ago, but don't worry, he's looking into it now.
    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/451313-trump-describes-homelessness-in-cities-as-phenomena-that-started-two
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,680
    edited July 2019
    jeffbr said:
    Well, according to Trump, homelessness started 2 years ago, but don't worry, he's looking into it now.
    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/451313-trump-describes-homelessness-in-cities-as-phenomena-that-started-two
    Hey, if he wants to tell everyone that terrible problems started after he entered office, great, lol. Whatever makes him look even worse, I'm all for at moment. :lol:
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    edited July 2019


    Look at those thugs and cowards covering there face...hard to believe there is no law against covering your face while committing a crime...20 years no parole should be the sentence...
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited July 2019


    Look at those thugs and cowards covering there face...hard to believe there is no law against covering your face while committing a crime...20 years no parole should be the sentence...
    Total losers.  Glad people are finally starting to see them for what they are.
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Thugs and cowards...people who cover their face while committing a crime are COWARDS and should get 20 years minimum...NO PAROLE.
    Many states actually having anti-masking laws...mostly put into place back in the day because of the KKK. But Oregon isn't one of those states. Here's a list of which states have those laws, which don't, and what the laws actually are...

    http://www.anapsid.org/cnd/mcs/maskcodes.html
    It should be a federal law...just cowards and thugs...far right/left thugs need to be jailed.  Protest peacefully or go to jail...
    I think most places have the same view.  Oregonians have just taken it upon themselves to turn their state/city into a shithole and let these thugs run wild.  
    Portland in particular.  That used to be a great town.  What a sh*thole it's become.
    Why do you say that?? Just because there are protests like this happening there? These things don't turn cities into shitholes. And even if you think so... get used to it. The politics in America generate this (Portland certainly doesn't). And if it weren't for this kind of resistance, the Trump clan would have a sure route to fascism.
    I think “this type of resistance” only fuels the divide.  I don’t think they have hurt Trump in any way and have quite possibly done the opposite.  They let people say “see, look at those violent leftists” just like happens with “see, look at those violent righties” when someone is run over by a car by an alt-right fringe.  They are in no way beneficial to our democracy.

    The divide is forged already. Too late for that. Now it's just a matter of straight up resistance on the streets. Anyway, my main point is that these things don't turn cities into shitholes. 
    Maybe not the whole city, just the parts they are being dumbasses at, ha. 

  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    PJPOWER said:


    Look at those thugs and cowards covering there face...hard to believe there is no law against covering your face while committing a crime...20 years no parole should be the sentence...
    Total losers.  Glad people are finally starting to see them for what they are.
    And everyone, if confronted as an individual, would cower and turtle...just plain cowards...and there are people on this board that will condemn this behaviour.  All violence should be condemned or you are no better...
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  • Jason P
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    Portland needs to deploy emergency hacky-sack caches to chill the city out to the level it was when I lived there.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Thugs and cowards...people who cover their face while committing a crime are COWARDS and should get 20 years minimum...NO PAROLE.
    Many states actually having anti-masking laws...mostly put into place back in the day because of the KKK. But Oregon isn't one of those states. Here's a list of which states have those laws, which don't, and what the laws actually are...

    http://www.anapsid.org/cnd/mcs/maskcodes.html
    It should be a federal law...just cowards and thugs...far right/left thugs need to be jailed.  Protest peacefully or go to jail...
    I think most places have the same view.  Oregonians have just taken it upon themselves to turn their state/city into a shithole and let these thugs run wild.  
    Portland in particular.  That used to be a great town.  What a sh*thole it's become.
    Why do you say that?? Just because there are protests like this happening there? These things don't turn cities into shitholes. And even if you think so... get used to it. The politics in America generate this (Portland certainly doesn't). And if it weren't for this kind of resistance, the Trump clan would have a sure route to fascism.
    To be fair, I think most cities today are sh*holes.  Not all, but most.

    Are you saying you support the kind of action Antifa is taking?  That would surprise and disappoint me.  That just doesn't seem like you. 
    Violence toward others will do nothing but bolster Trumps support.  Violent protests do not help a movement go forward.  They only turn the average person against a causeYou want me get used to protests and action that cause injury or death to others?  Never!

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    brianlux said:
     
    I grew up about 30 miles south of San Francisco, lived in S.F. for about 4 years and still get down there three or four times a year.  It used to be such a fine town- a place where just about anyone could live.  Now it's all wealthy people and hoards of homeless people.  It's become a very strange place to me!
    You'd think the wealthy would try to help the homeless. Isn't that was the democratic party is all about? Helping the less fortunate? 
    Many do.  But remember, there is a difference between helping and enabling.  Many people (I'm not saying you) do not understand the difference. 

    The other thing is, a lot of people will begin, out of the goodness of their heart, to help the homeless.  And then stuff happens.
     
    Let's say you are assaulted by a homeless person (I have been- I can still point out his club's dents in my car).  That might make one more leery of wanting to stay involved.

    Or let's say you let a homeless guy stay at you and your roommates' place and after several months the other roommates tell you to get rid of the guy and when you do the guy yells at you for being a traitor and now you've pissed both him off and your roommates becomes less of the friends they were before all this happened (to me, years ago). 
     
    Or lets say you walk to work every day and are pestered by the same homeless person (been there, had that done to me at least a few places/ jobs).  Might not do much to keep you motivated to help.
     
    Or let's say you own a small business and a homeless guy comes in and pisses through his pants onto your floor  and not only does he do nothing to help clean it up, but the next time he comes in, he denies it ever happened (yep, true story).

    Or a homeless guy comes in the store a number of times and smells so freaking bad that customers begin to walk out of the place and you somehow (i.e. lucky me) get to ask as nicely as possible, "Sorry to bother you, friend, but could you please shower before you come in again?" and you tell him where he can clean up for free and then suddenly he starts screaming at you and he's twice your size you become very, very  uncomfortable (oh yeah, done that one to). 

    And I'm not exactly what you would call "rich", so I don't know what the eff else to do about the problem.  I think a lot of other people feel the same way.

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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited July 2019
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
     
    I grew up about 30 miles south of San Francisco, lived in S.F. for about 4 years and still get down there three or four times a year.  It used to be such a fine town- a place where just about anyone could live.  Now it's all wealthy people and hoards of homeless people.  It's become a very strange place to me!
    You'd think the wealthy would try to help the homeless. Isn't that was the democratic party is all about? Helping the less fortunate? 
    Many do.  But remember, there is a difference between helping and enabling.  Many people (I'm not saying you) do not understand the difference. 

    The other thing is, a lot of people will begin, out of the goodness of their heart, to help the homeless.  And then stuff happens.
     
    Let's say you are assaulted by a homeless person (I have been- I can still point out his club's dents in my car).  That might make one more leery of wanting to stay involved.

    Or let's say you let a homeless guy stay at you and your roommates' place and after several months the other roommates tell you to get rid of the guy and when you do the guy yells at you for being a traitor and now you've pissed both him off and your roommates becomes less of the friends they were before all this happened (to me, years ago). 
     
    Or lets say you walk to work every day and are pestered by the same homeless person (been there, had that done to me at least a few places/ jobs).  Might not do much to keep you motivated to help.
     
    Or let's say you own a small business and a homeless guy comes in and pisses through his pants onto your floor  and not only does he do nothing to help clean it up, but the next time he comes in, he denies it ever happened (yep, true story).

    Or a homeless guy comes in the store a number of times and smells so freaking bad that customers begin to walk out of the place and you somehow (i.e. lucky me) get to ask as nicely as possible, "Sorry to bother you, friend, but could you please shower before you come in again?" and you tell him where he can clean up for free and then suddenly he starts screaming at you and he's twice your size you become very, very  uncomfortable (oh yeah, done that one to). 

    And I'm not exactly what you would call "rich", so I don't know what the eff else to do about the problem.  I think a lot of other people feel the same way.

    Well said, Brian.  My wife and I have always believed in giving and helping those in need.  In fact, roughly 12% of our paychecks goes to charity donations.  We’re not “rich”, by any means, but we do feel it is our responsibility.  That being said, you do have to be careful these days with scams running rampant.  I was with a friend who gave a “homeless” person money and we decided to watch them for a while (we were waiting to meet up with other friends)  After about 20 minutes of panhandling, that same “homeless” person went to the alley, jumped into his newish model Ford F-150 (newer than our vehicles) and drove off.  It is hard to know if your donations are going to the deserving or not, but I still feel that giving with an open heart is virtuous. It is hard, though, to get past the cynicism from all of the con artists losers out there. 
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