Jon Stewart shames, a nearly empty, congress

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

njnancy said:

brianlux said:

Kat said:

Let's name names.
It was the House Judiciary Committee ​

PRESENT:
House ​Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler​ of New York,
​Democratic Reps. Steve Cohen​ of Tennessee​,
Mary Gay Scanlon​ of Pennsylvania​,
Jamie Raskin ​of Maryland ​
​and the top Republican in the ​Judiciary subcommittee, Rep. Mike Johnson ​of Louisiana.
Democratic ​Rep. Max Rose ​of Staten Island was seated near the witnesses testifying.

Who were missing? Too many, shameful. 
https://judiciary.house.gov/about/members

Democratic Members

Zoe Lofgren California

Sheila Jackson Lee Texas

Henry C. "Hank" Johnson Georgia

Theodore E. Deutch Florida

Karen Bass California

Cedric L. Richmond Louisiana

Hakeem S. Jeffries New York

David N. Cicilline Rhode Island

Eric Swalwell California

Ted Lieu California

Pramila Jayapal Washington

Val Butler Demings Florida

J. Luis Correa California

Sylvia R. Garcia Texas

Joe Neguse Colorado

Lucy McBath Georgia

Greg Stanton Arizona

Madeleine Dean Pennsylvania

Debbie Mucarsel-Powell Florida

Veronica Escobar Texas

Ranking Member Doug Collins Georgia

Republican Membership

F. James Sensenbrenner Wisconsin

Steve Chabot Ohio

Louie Gohmer Texas

Jim Jordan Ohio

Ken Buck Colorado

John Ratcliffe Texas

Martha Roby Alabama

Matt Gaetz Florida

Andy Biggs Arizona

Tom McClintock California

Debbie Lesko Arizona

Guy Reschenthaler Pennsylvania

Ben Cline Virginia

Kelly Armstrong North Dakota

W. Gregory Steube Florida

Good lord, all I can do is shake my head.  Shameful! And I am going go go right now and tell each of my congress people exactly that.

The entire situation is grotesquely shameful. There should have been an inappropriately flexible funding bill set up the first time it was requested. As the years go by the amount of money needed grows as more people get sick and the sick get sicker. 

Just one thing about who was present in Congress - it was a subcommittee that met today, the entire committee doesn't meet until tomorrow. So the empty seats in the front were people who were not supposed to be there today. Eric Swalwell/California and Guy Reschenthaler/Pennsylvania were members of the sub committee that did not attend and that is shameful. People were walking in and out of the hearing as the 9/11 responders were testifying prior to Stewart testifying. It is something that happens whenever there is a committee hearing, I always find it to be annoying and I don't see how someone could not sit and listen to these responders testify. But not all of those people chose not to attend, they aren't part of this sub committee. I think the entire committee should have been assembled to listen to these heroes, but it was the sub committee only. 

Stewart was spot on in his anger about the hypocrisy of Congress and the fact that these sick heroes need to continue to fight for benefits they deserve for illnesses caused by an attack on America. He made a common sense argument and he was especially angry about Mitch McConnell - the proud "grim reaper' where bills go to die. 

It is disgusting and should have been fully funded years ago. The President at the time of the funding does not have anything to do with the Congress's process. It is the insanity of the Congress where the House, depending on who is the majority, sends a funding bill to the Senate and the Senate, which has been Republican majority last time this bill was introduced and this time. This dysfunction of the Senate  where McConnell only will allow judge appointments come to the floor and ignores all other House bills that is the most infuriating. 

I would hope that the passion of the hearing would make them put aside politics, but I fear for the responders tomorrow when they vote on this bill. 

Here is a few problems w the bill.

The dems throw stuff in the bill so if it gets passed they get a few things they wanted which pisses off the Rep something fierce and they vote it down.

It's not that the Rep are voting the 9/11 part of it down but all the other crap that gets thrown in.

One side looks good while the other looks bad and vice-versa. Oldest trick in the books.

There needs to be a bipartisan bill made so that both parties will pass it.

It's bullshit politics and both sides don't give a shit which is apparent after 9 years of back and forth not to mention that this incident happened 18 years ago.

More about the bill.

21,000 claims have been open to get the 7.375 Billion dollars.  That's 300k per claim on average.  There weren't 21000 first responders in that time.  These payouts also go to ironworkers, electricians, and people that were there and breathed in all that crap that was floating around the city so it can go thin quick I'd guess?

The NYC workers already have a pension and medical being paid for by the city so what is the other money going towards?

I'm also curious to how the money does get doled out to victims.

The more you look at it the worse it actually gets.

Not really. The fund is administered by an independent guy who has a stellar reputation for being fair, honest, thoughtful and diligent in his approach. Where did the person work? What was there salary at the time? What was their earning potential to a certain age, 65, 67, 70? How many dependents did they have? Their ages? As for the bill? That’s where compromise comes into play and the art of politics is important. However, the repubs (see the e) have been the party of no for a decade or longer at this point. The bill will pass the house and the senate can vote it up or down or try to reconcile with their own bill. Too much work for Mitchy baby and flyover country doesn’t give a shit about NYC. Add the fact that Bush’s EPA administrator, former gubner of New Jersey, Christie Todd Whitman, caved to the pressure that the air was safe to breath with minimal precautions and the repubs own more scorn that dems. Remember the super storm sandy vote? How’s Puerto Rico doing? Fuck the repubs.
 

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

njnancy said:

brianlux said:

Kat said:

Let's name names.
It was the House Judiciary Committee ​

PRESENT:
House ​Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler​ of New York,
​Democratic Reps. Steve Cohen​ of Tennessee​,
Mary Gay Scanlon​ of Pennsylvania​,
Jamie Raskin ​of Maryland ​
​and the top Republican in the ​Judiciary subcommittee, Rep. Mike Johnson ​of Louisiana.
Democratic ​Rep. Max Rose ​of Staten Island was seated near the witnesses testifying.

Who were missing? Too many, shameful. 
https://judiciary.house.gov/about/members

Democratic Members

Zoe Lofgren California

Sheila Jackson Lee Texas

Henry C. "Hank" Johnson Georgia

Theodore E. Deutch Florida

Karen Bass California

Cedric L. Richmond Louisiana

Hakeem S. Jeffries New York

David N. Cicilline Rhode Island

Eric Swalwell California

Ted Lieu California

Pramila Jayapal Washington

Val Butler Demings Florida

J. Luis Correa California

Sylvia R. Garcia Texas

Joe Neguse Colorado

Lucy McBath Georgia

Greg Stanton Arizona

Madeleine Dean Pennsylvania

Debbie Mucarsel-Powell Florida

Veronica Escobar Texas

Ranking Member Doug Collins Georgia

Republican Membership

F. James Sensenbrenner Wisconsin

Steve Chabot Ohio

Louie Gohmer Texas

Jim Jordan Ohio

Ken Buck Colorado

John Ratcliffe Texas

Martha Roby Alabama

Matt Gaetz Florida

Andy Biggs Arizona

Tom McClintock California

Debbie Lesko Arizona

Guy Reschenthaler Pennsylvania

Ben Cline Virginia

Kelly Armstrong North Dakota

W. Gregory Steube Florida

Good lord, all I can do is shake my head.  Shameful! And I am going go go right now and tell each of my congress people exactly that.

The entire situation is grotesquely shameful. There should have been an inappropriately flexible funding bill set up the first time it was requested. As the years go by the amount of money needed grows as more people get sick and the sick get sicker. 

Just one thing about who was present in Congress - it was a subcommittee that met today, the entire committee doesn't meet until tomorrow. So the empty seats in the front were people who were not supposed to be there today. Eric Swalwell/California and Guy Reschenthaler/Pennsylvania were members of the sub committee that did not attend and that is shameful. People were walking in and out of the hearing as the 9/11 responders were testifying prior to Stewart testifying. It is something that happens whenever there is a committee hearing, I always find it to be annoying and I don't see how someone could not sit and listen to these responders testify. But not all of those people chose not to attend, they aren't part of this sub committee. I think the entire committee should have been assembled to listen to these heroes, but it was the sub committee only. 

Stewart was spot on in his anger about the hypocrisy of Congress and the fact that these sick heroes need to continue to fight for benefits they deserve for illnesses caused by an attack on America. He made a common sense argument and he was especially angry about Mitch McConnell - the proud "grim reaper' where bills go to die. 

It is disgusting and should have been fully funded years ago. The President at the time of the funding does not have anything to do with the Congress's process. It is the insanity of the Congress where the House, depending on who is the majority, sends a funding bill to the Senate and the Senate, which has been Republican majority last time this bill was introduced and this time. This dysfunction of the Senate  where McConnell only will allow judge appointments come to the floor and ignores all other House bills that is the most infuriating. 

I would hope that the passion of the hearing would make them put aside politics, but I fear for the responders tomorrow when they vote on this bill. 

Here is a few problems w the bill.

The dems throw stuff in the bill so if it gets passed they get a few things they wanted which pisses off the Rep something fierce and they vote it down.

It's not that the Rep are voting the 9/11 part of it down but all the other crap that gets thrown in.

One side looks good while the other looks bad and vice-versa. Oldest trick in the books.

There needs to be a bipartisan bill made so that both parties will pass it.

It's bullshit politics and both sides don't give a shit which is apparent after 9 years of back and forth not to mention that this incident happened 18 years ago.

More about the bill.

21,000 claims have been open to get the 7.375 Billion dollars.  That's 300k per claim on average.  There weren't 21000 first responders in that time.  These payouts also go to ironworkers, electricians, and people that were there and breathed in all that crap that was floating around the city so it can go thin quick I'd guess?

The NYC workers already have a pension and medical being paid for by the city so what is the other money going towards?

I'm also curious to how the money does get doled out to victims.

The more you look at it the worse it actually gets.

Not really. The fund is administered by an independent guy who has a stellar reputation for being fair, honest, thoughtful and diligent in his approach. Where did the person work? What was there salary at the time? What was their earning potential to a certain age, 65, 67, 70? How many dependents did they have? Their ages? As for the bill? That’s where compromise comes into play and the art of politics is important. However, the repubs (see the e) have been the party of no for a decade or longer at this point. The bill will pass the house and the senate can vote it up or down or try to reconcile with their own bill. Too much work for Mitchy baby and flyover country doesn’t give a shit about NYC. Add the fact that Bush’s EPA administrator, former gubner of New Jersey, Christie Todd Whitman, caved to the pressure that the air was safe to breath with minimal precautions and the repubs own more scorn that dems. Remember the super storm sandy vote? How’s Puerto Rico doing? Fuck the repubs.
 

I'll speak on behalf of Super Storm Sandy and that vote because it's easy.  No one gives a shit about the south shore of Long Island, Queens and Brooklyn.  No one.

The local government failed us here as well as Texas but again, that bill was loaded with other crap too.  (it did pass)  The art of compromise is gone now Halifax, just like you mentioned.

We need to allow earmarks again.  What we thought was shady now seems like the better way of doing things IMO.

As far as the controller of the funds, I need to look up on him more, the funds are dwindling, something I thought I'd never see.

so why should we give a shit about houston? they allowed and continue to sllow building in flood plains...

how about every other shithole gulf coast town rebuilt mulitple times or florids or the carolinas.
 fuck them all. move.

tempo_n_groove said:

Kat said:

They shouldn't have to beg... but a step in the right direction is still a step. 

"The House Judiciary Committee unanimously passed a bill which would permanently reauthorize the 9/11 Victim Compensation Fund Wednesday, the day after comedian Jon Stewart gave impassioned testimony in support of the bill in video that quickly went viral.

The bill will now go to the floor for a full vote in the House of Representatives, where it is likely to pass. It's unclear whether Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell will take up the bill in the Senate, although Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer of New York said Wednesday that he was "imploring, pleading, even begging" McConnell to bring the bill to the floor as soon as it passes in the House."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/house-panel-passes-911-victims-fund-bill-a-day-after-jon-stewarts-emotional-testimony/

I've been trying to see rwhat is atually in the bill but can't find anything.

I want to see if anyone tacked other things to the bill to not make it pass i the house.

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Kat said:

They shouldn't have to beg... but a step in the right direction is still a step. 

"The House Judiciary Committee unanimously passed a bill which would permanently reauthorize the 9/11 Victim Compensation Fund Wednesday, the day after comedian Jon Stewart gave impassioned testimony in support of the bill in video that quickly went viral.

The bill will now go to the floor for a full vote in the House of Representatives, where it is likely to pass. It's unclear whether Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell will take up the bill in the Senate, although Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer of New York said Wednesday that he was "imploring, pleading, even begging" McConnell to bring the bill to the floor as soon as it passes in the House."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/house-panel-passes-911-victims-fund-bill-a-day-after-jon-stewarts-emotional-testimony/

I've been trying to see rwhat is atually in the bill but can't find anything.

I want to see if anyone tacked other things to the bill to not make it pass i the house.

Here’s the history with links. I believe today’s vote was to reauthorize it and fund it. It’s already “in effect” until 2090. And talk about hypocrisy and adding riders? Both sides are not the same.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Zadroga_9/11_Health_and_Compensation_Act

mickeyrat said:

but this part wasnt......

The act was reauthorized in 2015 for 90 years. But a portion of the law — the Victim Compensation Fund — was only funded for five years, through the end of 2020.  The fund aimed to provide necessary financial support for the thousands who suffered serious medical issues, including a spate of cancer diagnoses, after the 2001 attacks.

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Kat said:

They shouldn't have to beg... but a step in the right direction is still a step. 

"The House Judiciary Committee unanimously passed a bill which would permanently reauthorize the 9/11 Victim Compensation Fund Wednesday, the day after comedian Jon Stewart gave impassioned testimony in support of the bill in video that quickly went viral.

The bill will now go to the floor for a full vote in the House of Representatives, where it is likely to pass. It's unclear whether Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell will take up the bill in the Senate, although Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer of New York said Wednesday that he was "imploring, pleading, even begging" McConnell to bring the bill to the floor as soon as it passes in the House."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/house-panel-passes-911-victims-fund-bill-a-day-after-jon-stewarts-emotional-testimony/

I've been trying to see rwhat is atually in the bill but can't find anything.

I want to see if anyone tacked other things to the bill to not make it pass i the house.

Here’s the history with links. I believe today’s vote was to reauthorize it and fund it. It’s already “in effect” until 2090. And talk about hypocrisy and adding riders? Both sides are not the same.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Zadroga_9/11_Health_and_Compensation_Act

I'm looking for the Victims act like @mickeyrat mentions.  It is quite different than the Zadroga act.

mickeyrat said:

but this part wasnt......

The act was reauthorized in 2015 for 90 years. But a portion of the law — the Victim Compensation Fund — was only funded for five years, through the end of 2020.  The fund aimed to provide necessary financial support for the thousands who suffered serious medical issues, including a spate of cancer diagnoses, after the 2001 attacks.

Yes, that is what I want to see if people tack things on.

Shown Here:
Introduced in House (10/12/2018)

Never Forget the Heroes: Permanent Authorization of the September 11th Victim Compensation Fund Act

This bill funds through FY2090 the September 11th Victim Compensation Fund of 2001.

Additionally, the bill modifies the Victim Compensation Fund (VCF):

• to allow claims to be filed until October 2089,
• to require VCF policies and procedures to be reassessed at least once every five years (currently, at least once annually),
• to require claimants to be paid for the amount by which a claim was reduced on the basis of insufficient funding,
• to remove the cap on noneconomic damages in special circumstances, and
• to adjust the annual limit on economic loss compensation for inflation.

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Kat said:

They shouldn't have to beg... but a step in the right direction is still a step. 

"The House Judiciary Committee unanimously passed a bill which would permanently reauthorize the 9/11 Victim Compensation Fund Wednesday, the day after comedian Jon Stewart gave impassioned testimony in support of the bill in video that quickly went viral.

The bill will now go to the floor for a full vote in the House of Representatives, where it is likely to pass. It's unclear whether Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell will take up the bill in the Senate, although Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer of New York said Wednesday that he was "imploring, pleading, even begging" McConnell to bring the bill to the floor as soon as it passes in the House."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/house-panel-passes-911-victims-fund-bill-a-day-after-jon-stewarts-emotional-testimony/

I've been trying to see rwhat is atually in the bill but can't find anything.

I want to see if anyone tacked other things to the bill to not make it pass i the house.

Here’s the history with links. I believe today’s vote was to reauthorize it and fund it. It’s already “in effect” until 2090. And talk about hypocrisy and adding riders? Both sides are not the same.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Zadroga_9/11_Health_and_Compensation_Act

I'm looking for the Victims act like @mickeyrat mentions.  It is quite different than the Zadroga act.

mickeyrat said:

but this part wasnt......

The act was reauthorized in 2015 for 90 years. But a portion of the law — the Victim Compensation Fund — was only funded for five years, through the end of 2020.  The fund aimed to provide necessary financial support for the thousands who suffered serious medical issues, including a spate of cancer diagnoses, after the 2001 attacks.

Yes, that is what I want to see if people tack things on.

https://www.congress.gov/115/bills/hr7062/BILLS-115hr7062ih.pdf

Shown Here:
Introduced in House (10/12/2018)

Never Forget the Heroes: Permanent Authorization of the September 11th Victim Compensation Fund Act

This bill funds through FY2090 the September 11th Victim Compensation Fund of 2001.

Additionally, the bill modifies the Victim Compensation Fund (VCF):

• to allow claims to be filed until October 2089,
• to require VCF policies and procedures to be reassessed at least once every five years (currently, at least once annually),
• to require claimants to be paid for the amount by which a claim was reduced on the basis of insufficient funding,
• to remove the cap on noneconomic damages in special circumstances, and
• to adjust the annual limit on economic loss compensation for inflation.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/7062

Bentleyspop said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

https://youtu.be/ICnUJl0t0Xw

Jon Stewart is an example of a true American patriot

Bentleyspop said:

Sad for many reasons. ....

 9/11 first responder and advocate Luis Alvarez dies at 53 9/11 first responder and advocate Luis Alvarez dies at 53 https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/29/us/luis-alvarez-911-responder-dies/index.html