The Democratic Candidates

Spiritual_Chaos · June 2019

Hi! said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

So, I was playing the MAD board game yesterday (haven't played it since I was a kid). And it got me thinking about the debates next week.

I have a feeling Mayor Pete will come out as one of the clear winners. I think Biden and Bernie will fall. I have a feeling Bernie might even have three candidates above him in future polls after the debates. Queen E will do really good. And Kamala Harris and Mayor Pete.

This is my prediction of the top 5 at pollings after the debates:

1. Joe Biden (but with lower numbers than today)
2. Elisabeth Warren
3. Mayor Pete
4. Bernie
5. Kamala Harris (neck to neck or even being above Bernie)

And there will be talks on the cable news shows that Beto should end his campaign, but he won't because of pride.

My bet.

Did you see the footage of Pete at the protest in South Bend? Yikes

No? What have I missed? :O

Hi! · June 2019

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Hi! said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

So, I was playing the MAD board game yesterday (haven't played it since I was a kid). And it got me thinking about the debates next week.

I have a feeling Mayor Pete will come out as one of the clear winners. I think Biden and Bernie will fall. I have a feeling Bernie might even have three candidates above him in future polls after the debates. Queen E will do really good. And Kamala Harris and Mayor Pete.

This is my prediction of the top 5 at pollings after the debates:

1. Joe Biden (but with lower numbers than today)
2. Elisabeth Warren
3. Mayor Pete
4. Bernie
5. Kamala Harris (neck to neck or even being above Bernie)

And there will be talks on the cable news shows that Beto should end his campaign, but he won't because of pride.

My bet.

Did you see the footage of Pete at the protest in South Bend? Yikes

No? What have I missed? :O

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/06/21/politics/pete-buttigieg-officer-involved-shooting-march-protests/index.html

Hi! · June 2019

Spiritual_Chaos said:

The only reason for this constructed controversy about her use of words is to try to destroy an opinionated women by death a a 1000 cuts.

And people in her are falling in line in the mob.

Surprised.

Did you hear the latest Rogan podcast with Charlamagne? There was an interesting 10 minute conversation about Elizabeth Warren, but no sooner did they stop talking about Warren when they veered off and talked about Ticketmaster, at which point Rogan gave a Pearl Jam shot out.. If you get a chance to check it out, it’s pretty good listen.

Spiritual_Chaos · June 2019

Lerxst1992 said:

FFS what this thread has become.

Mods can we please rename it:

"Here is Why Republicans Win"

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

FFS what this thread has become.

Mods can we please rename it:

"Here is Why Republicans Win"

I'm generally with you...

njnancy said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

FFS what this thread has become.

Mods can we please rename it:

"Here is Why Republicans Win"

I'm generally with you...

I like the new thread name. Not happy that it applies but it's a good name.

Now we can see who wants to be the biggest dumbass at the debates next week.

Democrats do not want to see the candidates bashing each other - it is not a good strategy. It is an especially bad general election tactic. We will remember those who attacked others instead of promoting themselves.

"INFIGHTING ONLY COUNTS FOR THE PARTY HOLDING THE WHITE HOUSE"

"SO FIGHT AWAY DEMOCRATS -- DON't WORRY ABOUT IT!"

https://youtu.be/upIExc4a27M

benjs · June 2019

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

benjs said:

mrussel1 said:

Hypocrisy...

Pathetic - fighting over maintaining a monopoly on the term 'concentration camp' when the world saw it used 50 years prior in another continent. If it walks like a concentration camp and it talks like a concentration camp and Jewish historians are saying it's a concentration camp - stop trying to generate pity - it's a fucking concentration camp. The perspective held by far too many Jews that there's a unique Jewish right to grief sets the entire community back and keeps it isolated, and it's fucking embarrassing.

You would think Jews of all people would know better than to pursue sanitizing an ethical atrocity happening today. Please forgive the rant, but these assholes are culpable for much of the fomentation of anti-Jewish sentiment while also majorly disrespecting the horrific realities some are in today. It's disgusting.

You and I agree on most, but we diverge here. IMO, the phrase concentration camp evokes a specific time, place and event, that's the purposeful extermination of Jews, Roma, Slavs, homosexuals and other undesirables. Whether the Jews have embedded this phrase in our common culture or not, I have no idea. I'm not a linguist expert. But when you use that term to describe anything but extermination, I think it opens oneself up to criticism and the point a person (in this case AOC) may be trying to make is lost. Unless her intent was to bomb throw.

She could have used internment camp which, to me, is one of the greatest stains on America, and that would have been a better word to use, and not one that leads to the Jewish community and right wing being able to attack her for it.

The point of my statement of 'hypocrisy' here, is that AOC has been calling on Biden to apologize for what he said, while at the same time she is refusing to apologize for her statement when she is no better in this case. Either she intentionally threw out an overstatement or was sloppy in her language.

The term “concentration camp” predates the holocaust and is not specific to it. It refers to concentrating groups of undesirables, whether citizens or non citizens, generally by government policy, and was coined in the 19th century. It isn’t specific to extermination either; it can include forced labour camps. The fact that Nazi era use is the most well known example doesn’t mean they have a monopoly on the term or that it’s incorrect for anyone in the future to use it.

I understand that, but that's an academic argument, not a political one. She was making a political statement. If she meant it in the academic sense, then she should have been more careful. That's a loaded term today.

mrussel, I can appreciate diverging on this one. It's certainly a loaded term, but it's factually accurate, and because of that I think it's justifiable. Ultimately, whether it was a productive embellishment or one that continues to draw backlash for her, is yet to be determined.

My opinion on the Jewish response is still unchanged, as is AOC's right to use the term - but we'll see whether it was politically wise or not. My gut feel is that it might be large enough to be high-profile but accurate enough to not be seen as egregious, which I think would be an overall net positive for her.

Lerxst1992 · June 2019

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Lerxst1992 said:

FFS what this thread has become.

Mods can we please rename it:

"Here is Why Republicans Win"

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

FFS what this thread has become.

Mods can we please rename it:

"Here is Why Republicans Win"

I'm generally with you...

njnancy said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

FFS what this thread has become.

Mods can we please rename it:

"Here is Why Republicans Win"

I'm generally with you...

I like the new thread name. Not happy that it applies but it's a good name.

Now we can see who wants to be the biggest dumbass at the debates next week.

Democrats do not want to see the candidates bashing each other - it is not a good strategy. It is an especially bad general election tactic. We will remember those who attacked others instead of promoting themselves.

"INFIGHTING ONLY COUNTS FOR THE PARTY HOLDING THE WHITE HOUSE"

"SO FIGHT AWAY DEMOCRATS -- DON't WORRY ABOUT IT!"

https://youtu.be/upIExc4a27M

Not sure if you watched Maher last night ( or this morning) but Bill seemed a little pissed at the attacks on Biden and infighting.

All attacks on Biden will help get trump reelected. Dems do the smart thing. Attack trump and tell us why your plans are better for most Americans, not why toy think vice president Biden is a bad candidate.

Geez follow the Reagan Rule. Its smart politics.

....

"Bill Maher told his panel Friday night he wishes Joe Biden would stop saying “stupid things” and to “pretend he was born in 2009,” but he’s concerned about the infighting going on over Biden’s comments about working with segregationist senators.

Liz Mair said this is partly becoming an issue because Cory Booker––who called on Biden to apologize––is not doing well in the polls.

Maher said it’s weird to be focusing on Biden’s remarks when there were Proud Boys outside Trump’s rally this week. “We’re trying to win an election here!” he exclaimed, saying liberals should be “keeping our eye on the ball.”

At one point Maher read Booker’s statement in which the senator said Biden’s words are dredging up pain for many Americans.

“Are they?” Maher asked. “Are they really dredging up pain for many Americans?”

.

mrussel1 · June 2019

Lerxst1992 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Lerxst1992 said:

FFS what this thread has become.

Mods can we please rename it:

"Here is Why Republicans Win"

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

FFS what this thread has become.

Mods can we please rename it:

"Here is Why Republicans Win"

I'm generally with you...

njnancy said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

FFS what this thread has become.

Mods can we please rename it:

"Here is Why Republicans Win"

I'm generally with you...

I like the new thread name. Not happy that it applies but it's a good name.

Now we can see who wants to be the biggest dumbass at the debates next week.

Democrats do not want to see the candidates bashing each other - it is not a good strategy. It is an especially bad general election tactic. We will remember those who attacked others instead of promoting themselves.

"INFIGHTING ONLY COUNTS FOR THE PARTY HOLDING THE WHITE HOUSE"

"SO FIGHT AWAY DEMOCRATS -- DON't WORRY ABOUT IT!"

https://youtu.be/upIExc4a27M

Not sure if you watched Maher last night ( or this morning) but Bill seemed a little pissed at the attacks on Biden and infighting.

All attacks on Biden will help get trump reelected. Dems do the smart thing. Attack trump and tell us why your plans are better for most Americans, not why toy think vice president Biden is a bad candidate.

Geez follow the Reagan Rule. Its smart politics.

....

"Bill Maher told his panel Friday night he wishes Joe Biden would stop saying “stupid things” and to “pretend he was born in 2009,” but he’s concerned about the infighting going on over Biden’s comments about working with segregationist senators.

Liz Mair said this is partly becoming an issue because Cory Booker––who called on Biden to apologize––is not doing well in the polls.
Maher said it’s weird to be focusing on Biden’s remarks when there were Proud Boys outside Trump’s rally this week. “We’re trying to win an election here!” he exclaimed, saying liberals should be “keeping our eye on the ball.”
At one point Maher read Booker’s statement in which the senator said Biden’s words are dredging up pain for many Americans.
“Are they?” Maher asked. “Are they really dredging up pain for many Americans?”

.

It's funny that the people that actually were on the front lines of the Civil Rights movement like John Lewis and Clyburn are defending Biden without reservation. It's the competing candidates and the 'progressives' who weren't even alive for the real battles are are so offended.

Spiritual_Chaos · June 2019

Lerxst1992 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Lerxst1992 said:

FFS what this thread has become.

Mods can we please rename it:

"Here is Why Republicans Win"

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

FFS what this thread has become.

Mods can we please rename it:

"Here is Why Republicans Win"

I'm generally with you...

njnancy said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

FFS what this thread has become.

Mods can we please rename it:

"Here is Why Republicans Win"

I'm generally with you...

I like the new thread name. Not happy that it applies but it's a good name.

Now we can see who wants to be the biggest dumbass at the debates next week.

Democrats do not want to see the candidates bashing each other - it is not a good strategy. It is an especially bad general election tactic. We will remember those who attacked others instead of promoting themselves.

"INFIGHTING ONLY COUNTS FOR THE PARTY HOLDING THE WHITE HOUSE"

"SO FIGHT AWAY DEMOCRATS -- DON't WORRY ABOUT IT!"

https://youtu.be/upIExc4a27M

Not sure if you watched Maher last night ( or this morning) but Bill seemed a little pissed at the attacks on Biden and infighting.

All attacks on Biden will help get trump reelected. Dems do the smart thing. Attack trump and tell us why your plans are better for most Americans, not why toy think vice president Biden is a bad candidate.

Geez follow the Reagan Rule. Its smart politics.

....

"Bill Maher told his panel Friday night he wishes Joe Biden would stop saying “stupid things” and to “pretend he was born in 2009,” but he’s concerned about the infighting going on over Biden’s comments about working with segregationist senators.

Liz Mair said this is partly becoming an issue because Cory Booker––who called on Biden to apologize––is not doing well in the polls.
Maher said it’s weird to be focusing on Biden’s remarks when there were Proud Boys outside Trump’s rally this week. “We’re trying to win an election here!” he exclaimed, saying liberals should be “keeping our eye on the ball.”
At one point Maher read Booker’s statement in which the senator said Biden’s words are dredging up pain for many Americans.
“Are they?” Maher asked. “Are they really dredging up pain for many Americans?”

.

Dont know If the HBO app here has Bill Maher. Sometimes I find an upload If the whole show on youtube. Otherwise I just watch, from the official youtube channel Overtime and the guest Interview.

But there was another perspective on the ”Dems are harming their chances by critizizing eachother” A perspective by the clip you can see Maher was not agreeing with/expecting.

OPRAH 2020!

Spiritual_Chaos · June 2019

Hi! said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

The only reason for this constructed controversy about her use of words is to try to destroy an opinionated women by death a a 1000 cuts.

And people in her are falling in line in the mob.

Surprised.

Did you hear the latest Rogan podcast with Charlamagne? There was an interesting 10 minute conversation about Elizabeth Warren, but no sooner did they stop talking about Warren when they veered off and talked about Ticketmaster, at which point Rogan gave a Pearl Jam shot out.. If you get a chance to check it out, it’s pretty good listen.

Haha, found and watched that part. They didn't say much about Warren though...

https://instagram.com/p/BzC1gqrJrFq/embed/

And I don't get this "state your race" thing. Why? Because of a diversity/"positive special treatment" (As the term is in Sweden) thing at universities/colleges?

And why would someone state their "race" (a word not used/allowed in Sweden to differentiate people btw (think "Biden-Boy and Cortez-Concentration Camp. The foundation of racism is to consider people as different "races")) as native american (or whatever) if someone told them they have like 1% Native American in them from hundreds of years ago? Then wouldn't the 99% of them being something else override that?

Does any "race" not being white sort of trump and dominate, no matter how small or far back the amount is? Or what?

Hi! · June 2019

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Hi! said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

The only reason for this constructed controversy about her use of words is to try to destroy an opinionated women by death a a 1000 cuts.

And people in her are falling in line in the mob.

Surprised.

Did you hear the latest Rogan podcast with Charlamagne? There was an interesting 10 minute conversation about Elizabeth Warren, but no sooner did they stop talking about Warren when they veered off and talked about Ticketmaster, at which point Rogan gave a Pearl Jam shot out.. If you get a chance to check it out, it’s pretty good listen.

Haha, found and watched that part. They didn't say much about Warren though...

https://instagram.com/p/BzC1gqrJrFq/embed/

And I don't get this "state your race" thing. Why? Because of a diversity/"positive special treatment" (As the term is in Sweden) thing at universities/colleges?

And why would someone state their "race" (a word not used/allowed in Sweden to differentiate people btw (think "Biden-Boy and Cortez-Concentration Camp. The foundation of racism is to consider people as different "races")) as native american (or whatever) if someone told them they have like 1% Native American in them from hundreds of years ago? Then wouldn't the 99% of them being something else override that?

Does any "race" not being white sort of trump and dominate, no matter how small or far back the amount is? Or what?

IDK and hopefully someone smarter than me will understand and be able to answer your questions better than I can. I just think we are trying to do our best when it comes to race and overcoming our racist past by asking these questions and instituting policies like Affirmative Action in order to level the playing field.

Spiritual_Chaos · June 2019

But, like if you are like 0,5% Native American. Is your "race" Native American then as long as it is above 0%? Or is it that you yourself can consider yourself "Native American" then if you wish, as long as it is above 0%?

Hi! · June 2019

Spiritual_Chaos said:

But, like if you are like 0,5% Native American. Is your "race" Native American then as long as it is above 0%? Or is it that you yourself can consider yourself "Native American" then if you wish, as long as it is above 0%?

I have no idea, but .5%, yeah you’re white. Everyone probably has .5% Native American. I think I’m personally 50% Neanderthal, lol.

ikiT · June 2019

what if you're polling at 0.5%?

The 23 of these idiots better get their shit together.

Spiritual_Chaos · June 2019

INTERVIEW WITH THE MAN OF THE HOUR:

https://youtu.be/XF5mbeMWUcQ

Hi! · June 2019

Biden calling to roll back Trump tax cuts on day one.
https://apple.news/AAiXXjtXIRRKOY0fa7LDqxg

Spiritual_Chaos · June 2019

Beto on Pod Save America, from friday:

https://youtu.be/zFzuResOR5Q

Lerxst1992 · June 2019

Hi! said:

Biden calling to roll back Trump tax cuts on day one.
https://apple.news/AAiXXjtXIRRKOY0fa7LDqxg

Ok, now he's got my vote!

Well maybe. But THIS is what they should be doing. Attack the GOP and THEIR policies.

We get one crack at beating trump and attacking fellow dems only helps trump despite the comment Chaos posted.

I'll trust the Reagan Rule any day over that.

ikiT · June 2019

A united front against Trumpito at this stage of the game is the only way forward. No sniping no fake outrage no bullshit. A united team.

Even Marianne Williamson has a spot.

She's right Williamson.

brianlux · June 2019

ikiT said:

A united front against Trumpito at this stage of the game is the only way forward. No sniping no fake outrage no bullshit. A united team.

Even Marianne Williamson has a spot.

She's right Williamson.

This! Whomever it is that the dems go with, it has to be, has to happen. Another 4 years of Trump is unthinkable.

Meltdown99 · June 2019

Joe Sestak becomes 25th contender to join the Democratic presidential primary

https://nbcnews.to/2N4iMrO?fbclid=IwAR014lNOMLDaHdR-QZxvJrFhwbWkfSxhQIN1iZ9DnnNDZX2iEYyQzIaqd6M

Why not...can never have enough candidates...

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