The Democratic Candidates

Gern Blansten

HughFreakingDillon said:

mickeyrat said:

meanwhile.....

wow. this alone would make me vote for him. 

That dude is sharp.  That's the exact discussion that needs to be on Fox News.  Right wingers are too used to hearing one side of the issue and left wingers are not good at describing their positions.

Halifax2TheMax

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mickeyrat said:

meanwhile.....

wow. this alone would make me vote for him. 

That dude is sharp.  That's the exact discussion that needs to be on Fox News.  Right wingers are too used to hearing one side of the issue and left wingers are not good at describing their positions.

I agree and like Pete Buddha but I don’t think “middle America” is ready for a First Gentleman of either gender POTUS. But Pete is articulate and possesses the ability to communicate complex issues so knuckleheads can understand. I’m afraid they won’t give him the chance or listen to him because of his sexuality. A shame really.

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Kat

I have one thing to say about/to the blunders and gaffes coalition. . 
Covfefe

I will vote for Joe Biden for his experience and I believe he can do a lot towards righting this ship. His VP choice will be important to me also... because of his age but also for a younger POV and advice. 
Anyway, that's where I am right now. 
Have a great weekend, all. 

mrussel1

Kat said:

I have one thing to say about/to the blunders and gaffes coalition. . 
Covfefe

I will vote for Joe Biden for his experience and I believe he can do a lot towards righting this ship. His VP choice will be important to me also... because of his age but also for a younger POV and advice. 
Anyway, that's where I am right now. 
Have a great weekend, all. 

+1

mcgruff10

Any chance Biden would pick Pete as his vp?

mickeyrat

HughFreakingDillon said:

watched part of Joe Rogan's podcast last night Bernie Sanders. God that guy needs some personality. he sounded like a low talking old curmudgeonish college professor. pretty hard to win the presidency or even the nom when your personality is flat lined. 

but he used his inside voice. was a nice change of pace. I dont like being yelled at .....

Spiritual_Chaos

HughFreakingDillon said:

watched part of Joe Rogan's podcast last night Bernie Sanders. God that guy needs some personality. he sounded like a low talking old curmudgeonish college professor. pretty hard to win the presidency or even the nom when your personality is flat lined. 

Naw... not true. The warmth can not be missed.

Spiritual_Chaos

https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1162419621682659329

“You don’t have to do this, Joe, you really don’t,” Obama told Biden earlier this year, according to a Times source, prior to the former senator jumping into the crowded Democratic primary field. According to the Times, “Mr. Biden — who thinks he could have defeated Donald Trump four years ago — responded by telling Mr. Obama he could never forgive himself if he turned down a second shot at Mr. Trump.”

The Times also reported that Obama met with top Biden advisers in March and, according to the sources, requested that the ex-veep’s team do what they can so that Biden does not “embarrass himself” or “damage his legacy.”

Ledbetterman10

mcgruff10 said:

Any chance Biden would pick Pete as his vp?

That would be my preferred ticket. I suggested it here after the last debate and most disagreed and thought Harris would be a better running-mate for Biden (or at least a more probable running-mate). I don't like Harris so I hope that's not the case. I do like Pete though. And him versus Pence in a debate would be awesome. The two guys couldn't be more different, and there's a history between them from Indiana politics.  

what dreams

All of the talk about who is "electable" and "who is America ready for" really disturbs me. When I go into the voting booth, I think about whom my conscience can support as POTUS.  Who best represents my values?  Who is best equipped to address the issues I care about? I'm not ready to answer thst question yet, nor do I even know yet who will be on my ballot in my state. I can love whomever I want as a current candidate but if she/he can't get on my state's ballot, my feelings won't matter in late winter/spring 2020.

So far I admire, in no particular order:
1. The experience and good heart of Joe Biden
2. The tenacity and the brains of Kamala Harris
3. The passionate scrappiness of Elizabeth Warren.
4. The genuine character and policy chops  of Pete Buttigieg
5. The practicality of John Delaney
6. The philosophical underpinnings of Marianne Williamson 
7. The fire of Beto O'Rourke whom i predict will see a post El Paso bump
8. The foreign policy of Hawaiian girl

I just don't know yet. We'll see next Februsru (March?) who's on my state's  ballot. all.t I'm betting on these 25% with more weight going to some than others, for sure. 

mickeyrat

what dreams said:

All of the talk about who is "electable" and "who is America ready for" really disturbs me. When I go into the voting booth, I think about whom my conscience can support as POTUS.  Who best represents my values?  Who is best equipped to address the issues I care about? I'm not ready to answer thst question yet, nor do I even know yet who will be on my ballot in my state. I can love whomever I want as a current candidate but if she/he can't get on my state's ballot, my feelings won't matter in late winter/spring 2020.

So far I admire, in no particular order:
1. The experience and good heart of Joe Biden
2. The tenacity and the brains of Kamala Harris
3. The passionate scrappiness of Elizabeth Warren.
4. The genuine character and policy chops  of Pete Buttigieg
5. The practicality of John Delaney
6. The philosophical underpinnings of Marianne Williamson 
7. The fire of Beto O'Rourke whom i predict will see a post El Paso bump
8. The foreign policy of Hawaiian girl

I just don't know yet. We'll see next Februsru (March?) who's on my state's  ballot. all.t I'm betting on these 25% with more weight going to some than others, for sure. 

  Hawaiian girl? afford her the respect she's earned to learn her name. Tulsi Gabbard

Spiritual_Chaos

mickeyrat said:

what dreams said:

All of the talk about who is "electable" and "who is America ready for" really disturbs me. When I go into the voting booth, I think about whom my conscience can support as POTUS.  Who best represents my values?  Who is best equipped to address the issues I care about? I'm not ready to answer thst question yet, nor do I even know yet who will be on my ballot in my state. I can love whomever I want as a current candidate but if she/he can't get on my state's ballot, my feelings won't matter in late winter/spring 2020.

So far I admire, in no particular order:
1. The experience and good heart of Joe Biden
2. The tenacity and the brains of Kamala Harris
3. The passionate scrappiness of Elizabeth Warren.
4. The genuine character and policy chops  of Pete Buttigieg
5. The practicality of John Delaney
6. The philosophical underpinnings of Marianne Williamson 
7. The fire of Beto O'Rourke whom i predict will see a post El Paso bump
8. The foreign policy of Hawaiian girl

I just don't know yet. We'll see next Februsru (March?) who's on my state's  ballot. all.t I'm betting on these 25% with more weight going to some than others, for sure. 

  Hawaiian girl? afford her the respect she's earned to learn her name. Tulsi Gabbard

Maybe she hasn't deserved it:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tulsi-gabbard-homophobic-remarks_n_5c3a6030e4b01c93e00a5952

Spiritual_Chaos

mickeyrat

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mickeyrat said:

what dreams said:

All of the talk about who is "electable" and "who is America ready for" really disturbs me. When I go into the voting booth, I think about whom my conscience can support as POTUS.  Who best represents my values?  Who is best equipped to address the issues I care about? I'm not ready to answer thst question yet, nor do I even know yet who will be on my ballot in my state. I can love whomever I want as a current candidate but if she/he can't get on my state's ballot, my feelings won't matter in late winter/spring 2020.

So far I admire, in no particular order:
1. The experience and good heart of Joe Biden
2. The tenacity and the brains of Kamala Harris
3. The passionate scrappiness of Elizabeth Warren.
4. The genuine character and policy chops  of Pete Buttigieg
5. The practicality of John Delaney
6. The philosophical underpinnings of Marianne Williamson 
7. The fire of Beto O'Rourke whom i predict will see a post El Paso bump
8. The foreign policy of Hawaiian girl

I just don't know yet. We'll see next Februsru (March?) who's on my state's  ballot. all.t I'm betting on these 25% with more weight going to some than others, for sure. 

  Hawaiian girl? afford her the respect she's earned to learn her name. Tulsi Gabbard

Maybe she hasn't deserved it:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tulsi-gabbard-homophobic-remarks_n_5c3a6030e4b01c93e00a5952

how about thats been addressed already.

oh btw page 85

Spiritual_Chaos

Sen. Bernard Sanders‘ top advisers on Monday said he had become the Rodney Dangerfield of the 2020 Democratic race: He doesn’t get any respect.

They accused major news outlets of ignoring Mr. Sanders‘ postdebate surge and instead peddled stories that his campaign is waning.

“The headlines that Bernie’s campaign is in free fall or is falling apart could not be further from the truth,” Sanders campaign pollster Ben Tulchin said in a conference call with reporters.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/aug/12/sanders-campaign-bucks-bernie-write-claims-he-has-/

what dreams

mickeyrat said:

what dreams said:

All of the talk about who is "electable" and "who is America ready for" really disturbs me. When I go into the voting booth, I think about whom my conscience can support as POTUS.  Who best represents my values?  Who is best equipped to address the issues I care about? I'm not ready to answer thst question yet, nor do I even know yet who will be on my ballot in my state. I can love whomever I want as a current candidate but if she/he can't get on my state's ballot, my feelings won't matter in late winter/spring 2020.

So far I admire, in no particular order:
1. The experience and good heart of Joe Biden
2. The tenacity and the brains of Kamala Harris
3. The passionate scrappiness of Elizabeth Warren.
4. The genuine character and policy chops  of Pete Buttigieg
5. The practicality of John Delaney
6. The philosophical underpinnings of Marianne Williamson 
7. The fire of Beto O'Rourke whom i predict will see a post El Paso bump
8. The foreign policy of Hawaiian girl

I just don't know yet. We'll see next Februsru (March?) who's on my state's  ballot. all.t I'm betting on these 25% with more weight going to some than others, for sure. 

  Hawaiian girl? afford her the respect she's earned to learn her name. Tulsi Gabbard

Thank you for helping me remember her name. At 3 in the morning after a bottle of wine I was having a little trouble with the fog . . . and apparently typing was a challenge too. Calm down.  I meant no disrespect. 

what dreams

The next time someone calls Marianne Williamson the spirit rock lady instead of using her name, I'll remember to get outraged.

mickeyrat

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Sen. Bernard Sanders‘ top advisers on Monday said he had become the Rodney Dangerfield of the 2020 Democratic race: He doesn’t get any respect.

They accused major news outlets of ignoring Mr. Sanders‘ postdebate surge and instead peddled stories that his campaign is waning.

“The headlines that Bernie’s campaign is in free fall or is falling apart could not be further from the truth,” Sanders campaign pollster Ben Tulchin said in a conference call with reporters.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/aug/12/sanders-campaign-bucks-bernie-write-claims-he-has-/

fucking insult to Rodney....

mrussel1

Complaining about the media is a go to 'schtick' for the Sanders campaign.  Maybe he is like Rodney.  

cincybearcat

mrussel1 said:

Complaining about the media is a go to 'schtick' for the Sanders campaign.  Maybe he is like Rodney.  

I’m tired of his bullshit complaining and whining. It’s his entire campaign and platform.

Lerxst1992

mickeyrat said:

what dreams said:

All of the talk about who is "electable" and "who is America ready for" really disturbs me. When I go into the voting booth, I think about whom my conscience can support as POTUS.  Who best represents my values?  Who is best equipped to address the issues I care about? I'm not ready to answer thst question yet, nor do I even know yet who will be on my ballot in my state. I can love whomever I want as a current candidate but if she/he can't get on my state's ballot, my feelings won't matter in late winter/spring 2020.

So far I admire, in no particular order:
1. The experience and good heart of Joe Biden
2. The tenacity and the brains of Kamala Harris
3. The passionate scrappiness of Elizabeth Warren.
4. The genuine character and policy chops  of Pete Buttigieg
5. The practicality of John Delaney
6. The philosophical underpinnings of Marianne Williamson 
7. The fire of Beto O'Rourke whom i predict will see a post El Paso bump
8. The foreign policy of Hawaiian girl

I just don't know yet. We'll see next Februsru (March?) who's on my state's  ballot. all.t I'm betting on these 25% with more weight going to some than others, for sure. 

  Hawaiian girl? afford her the respect she's earned to learn her name. Tulsi Gabbard

Joe/Tulsi 2020

I like the sound of that!

mrussel1

I think Tulsi is a candidate for VP.  I don't know enough about her as to whether she has the depth of understanding of issues yet.  I just haven't seen enough.  She would need some serious vetting.  

Lerxst1992

mrussel1 said:

I think Tulsi is a candidate for VP.  I don't know enough about her as to whether she has the depth of understanding of issues yet.  I just haven't seen enough.  She would need some serious vetting.  

Depth of issues lol. That sounds so old world, pre trump universe. 

mrussel1

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

I think Tulsi is a candidate for VP.  I don't know enough about her as to whether she has the depth of understanding of issues yet.  I just haven't seen enough.  She would need some serious vetting.  

Depth of issues lol. That sounds so old world, pre trump universe. 

Sadly,  I suppose you're right.  

dignin

POLLERCOASTER 2020: HOW TO WIN WISCONSIN

https://crooked.com/articles/pollercoaster-2020-wisconsin/

The poll referenced.

https://www.changeresearch.com/crooked-change-wisconsin-aug-2019

Interesting stuff in here.

brianlux

what dreams said:

The next time someone calls Marianne Williamson the spirit rock lady instead of using her name, I'll remember to get outraged.

She has no chance at all of becoming president in 2020 but I sure do like here.  She's smart, compassionate, committed to her beliefs and I think it's cool that she adds some good soulful spirituality to the mix.  Much respect for her.

Spiritual_Chaos

brianlux said:

what dreams said:

The next time someone calls Marianne Williamson the spirit rock lady instead of using her name, I'll remember to get outraged.

She has no chance at all of becoming president in 2020 but I sure do like here.  She's smart, compassionate, committed to her beliefs and I think it's cool that she adds some good soulful spirituality to the mix.  Much respect for her.

Presidential candidate Marianne Williamson told AIDS patients that sickness is ‘an illusion’

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/08/03/presidential-candidate-marianne-williamson-told-aids-patients-sickness-is-an-illusion/

Spiritual_Chaos

Sanders Unveils Plan to End Cash Bail, Ban Private Prisons, and 'Fundamentally Transform' US Criminal Justice System

To remedy this dysfunctional and devastating system, Sanders' platform—detailed on his website—calls for:

• A ban on private prisons as part of a broader effort to "end profiteering in our criminal justice system";
• An end to cash bail, which traps poor Americans in a cycle of debt;
• Halting excessive sentencing "with the goal of cutting the incarcerated population in half";
• Transformation of policing by ensuring oversight and accountability for law enforcement, banning use facial recognition software by law enforcement, and ending "programs that provide military equipment to local police";
• Abolishing the death penalty;
• Legalization of marijuana and erasure of past marijuana convictions; and
• An end to the criminalization of addiction by funding adequate treatment for those addicted to opioids.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/08/18/sanders-unveils-plan-end-cash-bail-ban-private-prisons-and-fundamentally-transform

Sanders - at least trying to bring the US into the 21th century and inline with countries that actually work. 

brianlux

Spiritual_Chaos said:

brianlux said:

what dreams said:

The next time someone calls Marianne Williamson the spirit rock lady instead of using her name, I'll remember to get outraged.

She has no chance at all of becoming president in 2020 but I sure do like here.  She's smart, compassionate, committed to her beliefs and I think it's cool that she adds some good soulful spirituality to the mix.  Much respect for her.

Presidential candidate Marianne Williamson told AIDS patients that sickness is ‘an illusion’

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/08/03/presidential-candidate-marianne-williamson-told-aids-patients-sickness-is-an-illusion/

That was a rather dumb thing for her to say but I believe that statement was made in 1980.  Also, she has a large amount of support from the LGBTQ community.

Anyway, I think I'm done with forums for the day.  It seems like here and elsewhere a lot of people ares in a contentious mood.  Say  one thing, someone else refutes it.  It's not just about you S_C, it's all over the internet today.   I know it's the norm for on-line forums, but today I have no desire for it. 

Have a nice Sunday all, I'm outta here.