The Democratic Candidates
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Democrats are good at circular firing squads. They are writing the bs talking points for Trump, he doesn't have to do anything with the purity bs.
Biden wasn't saying anything bad and I think the whole thing is ridiculous. He talked about being able to work with the worst people, because that is the job. Everyone works with assholes and despicable people, some are our bosses. Being a responsible adult requires the ability to navigate these hard interactions. He wasn't endorsing them. And when he says that they called him son, not boy he is putting them down for saying boy to black people.
Trump will win this election if people dissect everything Biden or whomever the front runner says. Biden allows the press corps into every fund raiser that he holds, every single one. This has never been done before.
But some people are determined to lose this election by eating their own and creating drama where this is none.
And Biden is in no way a Democratic Trump. That is so repulsive that it should be obvious why it is just wrong.0 -
FFS what this thread has become.
Mods can we please rename it:
"Here is Why Republicans Win"
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I'm generally with you...Lerxst1992 said:FFS what this thread has become.
Mods can we please rename it:
"Here is Why Republicans Win"
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I like the new thread name. Not happy that it applies but it's a good name.mrussel1 said:
I'm generally with you...Lerxst1992 said:FFS what this thread has become.
Mods can we please rename it:
"Here is Why Republicans Win"
Now we can see who wants to be the biggest dumbass at the debates next week.
Democrats do not want to see the candidates bashing each other - it is not a good strategy. It is an especially bad general election tactic. We will remember those who attacked others instead of promoting themselves.0 -
Nvm"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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Pathetic - fighting over maintaining a monopoly on the term 'concentration camp' when the world saw it used 50 years prior in another continent. If it walks like a concentration camp and it talks like a concentration camp and Jewish historians are saying it's a concentration camp - stop trying to generate pity - it's a fucking concentration camp. The perspective held by far too many Jews that there's a unique Jewish right to grief sets the entire community back and keeps it isolated, and it's fucking embarrassing.mrussel1 said:Hypocrisy...
You would think Jews of all people would know better than to pursue sanitizing an ethical atrocity happening today. Please forgive the rant, but these assholes are culpable for much of the fomentation of anti-Jewish sentiment while also majorly disrespecting the horrific realities some are in today. It's disgusting.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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You and I agree on most, but we diverge here. IMO, the phrase concentration camp evokes a specific time, place and event, that's the purposeful extermination of Jews, Roma, Slavs, homosexuals and other undesirables. Whether the Jews have embedded this phrase in our common culture or not, I have no idea. I'm not a linguist expert. But when you use that term to describe anything but extermination, I think it opens oneself up to criticism and the point a person (in this case AOC) may be trying to make is lost. Unless her intent was to bomb throw.benjs said:
Pathetic - fighting over maintaining a monopoly on the term 'concentration camp' when the world saw it used 50 years prior in another continent. If it walks like a concentration camp and it talks like a concentration camp and Jewish historians are saying it's a concentration camp - stop trying to generate pity - it's a fucking concentration camp. The perspective held by far too many Jews that there's a unique Jewish right to grief sets the entire community back and keeps it isolated, and it's fucking embarrassing.mrussel1 said:Hypocrisy...
You would think Jews of all people would know better than to pursue sanitizing an ethical atrocity happening today. Please forgive the rant, but these assholes are culpable for much of the fomentation of anti-Jewish sentiment while also majorly disrespecting the horrific realities some are in today. It's disgusting.
She could have used internment camp which, to me, is one of the greatest stains on America, and that would have been a better word to use, and not one that leads to the Jewish community and right wing being able to attack her for it.
The point of my statement of 'hypocrisy' here, is that AOC has been calling on Biden to apologize for what he said, while at the same time she is refusing to apologize for her statement when she is no better in this case. Either she intentionally threw out an overstatement or was sloppy in her language.0 -
The term “concentration camp” predates the holocaust and is not specific to it. It refers to concentrating groups of undesirables, whether citizens or non citizens, generally by government policy, and was coined in the 19th century. It isn’t specific to extermination either; it can include forced labour camps. The fact that Nazi era use is the most well known example doesn’t mean they have a monopoly on the term or that it’s incorrect for anyone in the future to use it.mrussel1 said:
You and I agree on most, but we diverge here. IMO, the phrase concentration camp evokes a specific time, place and event, that's the purposeful extermination of Jews, Roma, Slavs, homosexuals and other undesirables. Whether the Jews have embedded this phrase in our common culture or not, I have no idea. I'm not a linguist expert. But when you use that term to describe anything but extermination, I think it opens oneself up to criticism and the point a person (in this case AOC) may be trying to make is lost. Unless her intent was to bomb throw.benjs said:
Pathetic - fighting over maintaining a monopoly on the term 'concentration camp' when the world saw it used 50 years prior in another continent. If it walks like a concentration camp and it talks like a concentration camp and Jewish historians are saying it's a concentration camp - stop trying to generate pity - it's a fucking concentration camp. The perspective held by far too many Jews that there's a unique Jewish right to grief sets the entire community back and keeps it isolated, and it's fucking embarrassing.mrussel1 said:Hypocrisy...
You would think Jews of all people would know better than to pursue sanitizing an ethical atrocity happening today. Please forgive the rant, but these assholes are culpable for much of the fomentation of anti-Jewish sentiment while also majorly disrespecting the horrific realities some are in today. It's disgusting.
She could have used internment camp which, to me, is one of the greatest stains on America, and that would have been a better word to use, and not one that leads to the Jewish community and right wing being able to attack her for it.
The point of my statement of 'hypocrisy' here, is that AOC has been calling on Biden to apologize for what he said, while at the same time she is refusing to apologize for her statement when she is no better in this case. Either she intentionally threw out an overstatement or was sloppy in her language.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
Spiritual_Chaos said:Nvm
Please dont.
The 24 dem candidates should be relentlessly attacking trump. Every day. All of then should be constantly Telling everyone why trump is a terrible president and what the democratic solutions are. Set the narrative. Overwhelm the press.
Instead we have these nonsensical Biden attacks from decades ago that will only weaken the party when it should be rallying everyone why the Republican agenda favors the select wealthy few and why we should vote against it, instead of absurdly making Biden look like Trump Lite.0 -
I understand that, but that's an academic argument, not a political one. She was making a political statement. If she meant it in the academic sense, then she should have been more careful. That's a loaded term today.oftenreading said:
The term “concentration camp” predates the holocaust and is not specific to it. It refers to concentrating groups of undesirables, whether citizens or non citizens, generally by government policy, and was coined in the 19th century. It isn’t specific to extermination either; it can include forced labour camps. The fact that Nazi era use is the most well known example doesn’t mean they have a monopoly on the term or that it’s incorrect for anyone in the future to use it.mrussel1 said:
You and I agree on most, but we diverge here. IMO, the phrase concentration camp evokes a specific time, place and event, that's the purposeful extermination of Jews, Roma, Slavs, homosexuals and other undesirables. Whether the Jews have embedded this phrase in our common culture or not, I have no idea. I'm not a linguist expert. But when you use that term to describe anything but extermination, I think it opens oneself up to criticism and the point a person (in this case AOC) may be trying to make is lost. Unless her intent was to bomb throw.benjs said:
Pathetic - fighting over maintaining a monopoly on the term 'concentration camp' when the world saw it used 50 years prior in another continent. If it walks like a concentration camp and it talks like a concentration camp and Jewish historians are saying it's a concentration camp - stop trying to generate pity - it's a fucking concentration camp. The perspective held by far too many Jews that there's a unique Jewish right to grief sets the entire community back and keeps it isolated, and it's fucking embarrassing.mrussel1 said:Hypocrisy...
You would think Jews of all people would know better than to pursue sanitizing an ethical atrocity happening today. Please forgive the rant, but these assholes are culpable for much of the fomentation of anti-Jewish sentiment while also majorly disrespecting the horrific realities some are in today. It's disgusting.
She could have used internment camp which, to me, is one of the greatest stains on America, and that would have been a better word to use, and not one that leads to the Jewish community and right wing being able to attack her for it.
The point of my statement of 'hypocrisy' here, is that AOC has been calling on Biden to apologize for what he said, while at the same time she is refusing to apologize for her statement when she is no better in this case. Either she intentionally threw out an overstatement or was sloppy in her language.0 -
I dont watch South Park. Which episode is this from?mrussel1 said:Hypocrisy...Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
I called this prophecy many moons ago. No way a 102 year old white dude is getting the democratic nomination.Knives are out.Be Excellent To Each OtherParty On, Dudes!0
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Why are you putting this all on AOC? She's certainly not the only one using the concentration camp phrase. Why is she the one "throwing bombs", particularly if the term is accurate?mrussel1 said:
I understand that, but that's an academic argument, not a political one. She was making a political statement. If she meant it in the academic sense, then she should have been more careful. That's a loaded term today.oftenreading said:
The term “concentration camp” predates the holocaust and is not specific to it. It refers to concentrating groups of undesirables, whether citizens or non citizens, generally by government policy, and was coined in the 19th century. It isn’t specific to extermination either; it can include forced labour camps. The fact that Nazi era use is the most well known example doesn’t mean they have a monopoly on the term or that it’s incorrect for anyone in the future to use it.mrussel1 said:
You and I agree on most, but we diverge here. IMO, the phrase concentration camp evokes a specific time, place and event, that's the purposeful extermination of Jews, Roma, Slavs, homosexuals and other undesirables. Whether the Jews have embedded this phrase in our common culture or not, I have no idea. I'm not a linguist expert. But when you use that term to describe anything but extermination, I think it opens oneself up to criticism and the point a person (in this case AOC) may be trying to make is lost. Unless her intent was to bomb throw.benjs said:
Pathetic - fighting over maintaining a monopoly on the term 'concentration camp' when the world saw it used 50 years prior in another continent. If it walks like a concentration camp and it talks like a concentration camp and Jewish historians are saying it's a concentration camp - stop trying to generate pity - it's a fucking concentration camp. The perspective held by far too many Jews that there's a unique Jewish right to grief sets the entire community back and keeps it isolated, and it's fucking embarrassing.mrussel1 said:Hypocrisy...
You would think Jews of all people would know better than to pursue sanitizing an ethical atrocity happening today. Please forgive the rant, but these assholes are culpable for much of the fomentation of anti-Jewish sentiment while also majorly disrespecting the horrific realities some are in today. It's disgusting.
She could have used internment camp which, to me, is one of the greatest stains on America, and that would have been a better word to use, and not one that leads to the Jewish community and right wing being able to attack her for it.
The point of my statement of 'hypocrisy' here, is that AOC has been calling on Biden to apologize for what he said, while at the same time she is refusing to apologize for her statement when she is no better in this case. Either she intentionally threw out an overstatement or was sloppy in her language.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
Look, at @mrussel1 reachingThe point of my statement of 'hypocrisy' here, is that AOC has been calling on Biden to apologize for what he said, while at the same time she is refusing to apologize for her statement when she is no better in this case. Either she intentionally threw out an overstatement or was sloppy in her language.
Look, at @mrussel1 reaching
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Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
So, I was playing the MAD board game yesterday (haven't played it since I was a kid). And it got me thinking about the debates next week.
I have a feeling Mayor Pete will come out as one of the clear winners. I think Biden and Bernie will fall. I have a feeling Bernie might even have three candidates above him in future polls after the debates. Queen E will do really good. And Kamala Harris and Mayor Pete.
This is my prediction of the top 5 at pollings after the debates:
1. Joe Biden (but with lower numbers than today)
2. Elisabeth Warren
3. Mayor Pete
4. Bernie
5. Kamala Harris (neck to neck or even being above Bernie)
And there will be talks on the cable news shows that Beto should end his campaign, but he won't because of pride.
My bet.Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
I don't know if there's another high profile congress member that is doing it or not. My point is that she is slamming Biden for not apologizing, while being tone deaf to her own remarks which have caused consternation in the Jewish community. By contrast, Biden hasn't said a thing about her to my knowledge.oftenreading said:
Why are you putting this all on AOC? She's certainly not the only one using the concentration camp phrase. Why is she the one "throwing bombs", particularly if the term is accurate?mrussel1 said:
I understand that, but that's an academic argument, not a political one. She was making a political statement. If she meant it in the academic sense, then she should have been more careful. That's a loaded term today.oftenreading said:
The term “concentration camp” predates the holocaust and is not specific to it. It refers to concentrating groups of undesirables, whether citizens or non citizens, generally by government policy, and was coined in the 19th century. It isn’t specific to extermination either; it can include forced labour camps. The fact that Nazi era use is the most well known example doesn’t mean they have a monopoly on the term or that it’s incorrect for anyone in the future to use it.mrussel1 said:
You and I agree on most, but we diverge here. IMO, the phrase concentration camp evokes a specific time, place and event, that's the purposeful extermination of Jews, Roma, Slavs, homosexuals and other undesirables. Whether the Jews have embedded this phrase in our common culture or not, I have no idea. I'm not a linguist expert. But when you use that term to describe anything but extermination, I think it opens oneself up to criticism and the point a person (in this case AOC) may be trying to make is lost. Unless her intent was to bomb throw.benjs said:
Pathetic - fighting over maintaining a monopoly on the term 'concentration camp' when the world saw it used 50 years prior in another continent. If it walks like a concentration camp and it talks like a concentration camp and Jewish historians are saying it's a concentration camp - stop trying to generate pity - it's a fucking concentration camp. The perspective held by far too many Jews that there's a unique Jewish right to grief sets the entire community back and keeps it isolated, and it's fucking embarrassing.mrussel1 said:Hypocrisy...
You would think Jews of all people would know better than to pursue sanitizing an ethical atrocity happening today. Please forgive the rant, but these assholes are culpable for much of the fomentation of anti-Jewish sentiment while also majorly disrespecting the horrific realities some are in today. It's disgusting.
She could have used internment camp which, to me, is one of the greatest stains on America, and that would have been a better word to use, and not one that leads to the Jewish community and right wing being able to attack her for it.
The point of my statement of 'hypocrisy' here, is that AOC has been calling on Biden to apologize for what he said, while at the same time she is refusing to apologize for her statement when she is no better in this case. Either she intentionally threw out an overstatement or was sloppy in her language.0 -
By definition I guess she is correct but if she trying to compare to nazi concentration camps then she is dead wrong. IMO It all comes down to her intent.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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Couldn't agree more.benjs said:
Pathetic - fighting over maintaining a monopoly on the term 'concentration camp' when the world saw it used 50 years prior in another continent. If it walks like a concentration camp and it talks like a concentration camp and Jewish historians are saying it's a concentration camp - stop trying to generate pity - it's a fucking concentration camp. The perspective held by far too many Jews that there's a unique Jewish right to grief sets the entire community back and keeps it isolated, and it's fucking embarrassing.mrussel1 said:Hypocrisy...
You would think Jews of all people would know better than to pursue sanitizing an ethical atrocity happening today. Please forgive the rant, but these assholes are culpable for much of the fomentation of anti-Jewish sentiment while also majorly disrespecting the horrific realities some are in today. It's disgusting.0 -
The only reason for this constructed controversy about her use of words is to try to destroy an opinionated women by death a a 1000 cuts.
And people in her are falling in line in the mob.
Surprised.Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Spiritual_Chaos said:So, I was playing the MAD board game yesterday (haven't played it since I was a kid). And it got me thinking about the debates next week.
I have a feeling Mayor Pete will come out as one of the clear winners. I think Biden and Bernie will fall. I have a feeling Bernie might even have three candidates above him in future polls after the debates. Queen E will do really good. And Kamala Harris and Mayor Pete.
This is my prediction of the top 5 at pollings after the debates:
1. Joe Biden (but with lower numbers than today)
2. Elisabeth Warren
3. Mayor Pete
4. Bernie
5. Kamala Harris (neck to neck or even being above Bernie)
And there will be talks on the cable news shows that Beto should end his campaign, but he won't because of pride.
My bet.
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