Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg on cover of TIME
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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What Greta Thunberg has set into motion is so amazing to me. Hope for the future!
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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Greta:
In september the UN will hold a climate summit in New York. In december the United Nations conference of parties, COP25, will be held in Santiago de Chile. And this is pretty much where our future will be decided.
Because by the year 2020, next year, the emission curve must have been bended steep downwards if we are to have a chance to stay below 1,5 or 2 degrees of warming.
After the holidays I am starting gymnasium, like high school. And this is what I really want to do. I love studying.
But I have also been invited to attend these two events, in North and South America. And since time is running out I have decided to try to take a sabbatical year from school and go there.
The tricky thing is that it’s on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean. And there are no trains going there. And since I don’t fly, because of the enormous climate impact of aviation, it’s going to be a challenge. I haven’t quite figured that out yet.
But I’m sure I will get there somehow. We will all have to do the impossible. The school strikes will continue next year, and the year after that. We will go on protesting and manifesting every Friday until the world is in line with the Paris agreement.
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I totally get and admire her stance on not flying. She's a smart young lady. Trains are proven to be the most energy efficient means of transporting people, other animals, and goods. Yet on the one hand, if her going to the conference brought about more awareness, maybe fewer people would fly, maybe it would be worth the flight. But that would also leave her open to criticism for being a hypocrite. I don't envy her having to make this decision.Spiritual_Chaos said:Greta:
In september the UN will hold a climate summit in New York. In december the United Nations conference of parties, COP25, will be held in Santiago de Chile. And this is pretty much where our future will be decided.
Because by the year 2020, next year, the emission curve must have been bended steep downwards if we are to have a chance to stay below 1,5 or 2 degrees of warming.
After the holidays I am starting gymnasium, like high school. And this is what I really want to do. I love studying.
But I have also been invited to attend these two events, in North and South America. And since time is running out I have decided to try to take a sabbatical year from school and go there.
The tricky thing is that it’s on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean. And there are no trains going there. And since I don’t fly, because of the enormous climate impact of aviation, it’s going to be a challenge. I haven’t quite figured that out yet.
But I’m sure I will get there somehow. We will all have to do the impossible. The school strikes will continue next year, and the year after that. We will go on protesting and manifesting every Friday until the world is in line with the Paris agreement.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
This feels very "lose the battle, win the war" to me. If put in her shoes, the decision would be crystal clear: if my voice is a megaphone that compels people to act with more environmental awareness, the mathematics will likely show that my flight over the Atlantic would produce a net benefit to the environmental movement in a matter of days. Or, she could probably find a sailor or cruise company willing to host her given the prestige that would come with that.brianlux said:I totally get and admire her stance on not flying. She's a smart young lady. Trains are proven to be the most energy efficient means of transporting people, other animals, and goods. Yet on the one hand, if her going to the conference brought about more awareness, maybe fewer people would fly, maybe it would be worth the flight. But that would also leave her open to criticism for being a hypocrite. I don't envy her having to make this decision.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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Ben, you always have a clear vision on things. Nicely said.benjs said:This feels very "lose the battle, win the war" to me. If put in her shoes, the decision would be crystal clear: if my voice is a megaphone that compels people to act with more environmental awareness, the mathematics will likely show that my flight over the Atlantic would produce a net benefit to the environmental movement in a matter of days. Or, she could probably find a sailor or cruise company willing to host her given the prestige that would come with that.
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I think it comes with a job that always involves some creative problem-solving. I hope everyone gets or creates the opportunity to do so professionally, as it's helped me understand the structure of an argument and (at least some of) the structure of progress.brianlux said:Ben, you always have a clear vision on things. Nicely said.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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Here is a start. Greta can take the train as far as it travels to Northern Russia, then she can travel by feet, snowshoes, cross country skiing and dog sled to the closest point between Russia and The US which is Alaska...she'll need to connect with Russian fishing troller to get to the Russian/US line and hopefully a US fishing troller will meet them there, from where she can get dropped off somewhere in Alaska that has rail service...
Should be easy from that point.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
She did get heavily attacked (by a certain group of idiots) when people believed she had flown to the US for the TIMEs cover.benjs said:This feels very "lose the battle, win the war" to me. If put in her shoes, the decision would be crystal clear: if my voice is a megaphone that compels people to act with more environmental awareness, the mathematics will likely show that my flight over the Atlantic would produce a net benefit to the environmental movement in a matter of days. Or, she could probably find a sailor or cruise company willing to host her given the prestige that would come with that.
And I mean, I would think she sees a point in going through with it 100% for the statement to be as clear and rock solid as possible.
And not be like me with my heavily compromised intermittent fasting."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
There are other ways to give the speeches without physically being there...perhaps these environmental lobbies should try that...
Or maybe before we keep have these so-called necessary meetings...they should have to at least prove they are meeting the Paris Targets...which most will never meet...Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Greta and others doing speeches > Meltdown doing, what I guess is, nothingMeltdown99 said:There are other ways to give the speeches without physically being there...perhaps these environmental lobbies should try that...
Or maybe before we keep have these so-called necessary meetings...they should have to at least prove they are meeting the Paris Targets...which most will never meet..."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Damn right. As I type this I got my hummer running, for no reason other than I might need a coffee and I want the air running. It's a comfortable 73, outside, I got the air running full speed ahead, I cut six trees down for no other reason than to have a campfire, I let helium-filled balloons fly every night...basically, I am a realist, planet earth is past the point of no return...and so what...the human race needs to go extinct...Spiritual_Chaos said:Greta and others doing speeches > Meltdown doing, what I guess is, nothingGive Peas A Chance…0 -
Very Marla Singer of you.Meltdown99 said:Damn right. As I type this I got my hummer running, for no reason other than I might need a coffee and I want the air running. It's a comfortable 73, outside, I got the air running full speed ahead, I cut six trees down for no other reason than to have a campfire, I let helium-filled balloons fly every night...basically, I am a realist, planet earth is past the point of no return...and so what...the human race needs to go extinct..."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Meltdown99 said:There are other ways to give the speeches without physically being there...perhaps these environmental lobbies should try that...
Or maybe before we keep have these so-called necessary meetings...they should have to at least prove they are meeting the Paris Targets...which most will never meet...My wife suggested the same thing last night. She said, "Why not just do a teleconference or virtual meeting?"Sure makes sense to me!"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
We have the tools in the toolbox to avoid these meetings...air travel leaves a big carbon footprint. Every time we have a new agreement (Kyoto, Paris)...they never hit the target...there is a lot of hypocrisy from politicians...Monday in Canada...our House of Commons declared a climate emergency...the only party leader to in attendance for the debate was the Green Party leader...I guess attending the Raptors victory parade was more of an emergency. Then 24 hours later, the same government approved a controversial pipeline...brianlux said:My wife suggested the same thing last night. She said, "Why not just do a teleconference or virtual meeting?"Sure makes sense to me!Give Peas A Chance…0
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