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curmudgeoness said:Gern Blansten said:Did your income go up? Hard to say why your taxes would have gone up unless you were one of the unlucky ones whose itemized deductions were negatively affected due to the $10K limit on state tax deductions.Nope, it was down 40% from 2017.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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curmudgeoness said:I'm still waiting to hear who the "rich" were who got a break. We're solidly in the 1% and speaking as the person who does our taxes, our tax burden went up last year. I imagine it would have been a different story had we lived in Texas instead of California, but, still.The lead here for me isn't that you are in the 1% and that you paid more in taxes....it is that you are in the 1% and you do your own taxes.Are you a trained professional?Although, judging by what we went through with our CPA this year, until we start our own business there may not be much of a use for their assistance, unlike so many of the years past....Sorry to hear you had to pay more. It is a giant bunch of bs.The love he receives is the love that is saved0
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F Me In The Brain said:curmudgeoness said:I'm still waiting to hear who the "rich" were who got a break. We're solidly in the 1% and speaking as the person who does our taxes, our tax burden went up last year. I imagine it would have been a different story had we lived in Texas instead of California, but, still.The lead here for me isn't that you are in the 1% and that you paid more in taxes....it is that you are in the 1% and you do your own taxes.Are you a trained professional?Although, judging by what we went through with our CPA this year, until we start our own business there may not be much of a use for their assistance, unlike so many of the years past....Sorry to hear you had to pay more. It is a giant bunch of bs.0
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Good ol trickle down, spurring that 4% GDP quarterly growth, quarter over quarter, year after year, lifting all boats. Suckers.
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Halifax2TheMax said:Good ol trickle down, spurring that 4% GDP quarterly growth, quarter over quarter, year after year, lifting all boats. Suckers.
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So much for that 4% GDP, quarter over quarter, year over year, FOR 10 YEARS, that was going to pay for that tax break for the 1%. Meanwhile, corporations are paying an effective rate of 11% and some, like Amazon, are paying 0. What a country. Oh, and lets not forget the billions in additional debt and deficit spending. Guess who is going to eventually pay for that? Suckers.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/20/us-gdp-q3-2019-final-reading.html
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Yep....and believe me the charitable organizations are going to start feeling it. The standard deduction is so high that many people are not seeing a benefit to contribute.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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Suckers, still believing in trickle down, particularly when half of working Americans didn’t see a raise last year. Gee, where did all that tax cut money go?
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/20/perspectives/trump-tax-cuts/index.html
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More good news for big business as the coronavirus stimulus package helps lift some of those restrictions included in the tax reform bill.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/24/business/tax-breaks-wealthy-virus.html
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Sounds reasonable to me. Sleepy Woke Joe has a plan. And remember, deficits don't pay for themselves, despite that 4% growth in GDP, quarter over quarter for 10 years like Stevey Baby MNutkins promised to pay for that $1.5T tax cut and 50% of Americans aren't in the stock market. And because the 1/10th of 1% need more, right?
For someone far more interested in how his presidency looks on TV than what it actually does, Donald Trump can be remarkably tone-deaf when it comes to the political implications of his policy proposals. But there are some things the president and his party are committed to, no matter how unpopular they might be.
Capital gains taxes are paid on things such as the sale of stocks, which is why they’re overwhelmingly paid by the wealthy. The fact that capital gains are taxed at all is deeply offensive to Republicans, and if the tax can’t be eliminated entirely, at the very least, they believe it should be lowered as much as possible.So it is that, with 30 million Americans out of work and the country still in the midst of a pandemic that Trump has lost all interest in doing anything about, his administration has an answer to our economic troubles: Cut the capital gains tax!
I kid you not.
A capital gains tax cut is the solution to both good times and bad: If the economy is doing well, we should cut the tax to reward virtuous job creators; if it’s doing poorly we should cut the tax to free up brutally imprisoned capital for more job creation. You see, standard Republican trickle-down economic theory says the way to achieve prosperity is to cut taxes for the rich, who in their beneficence will allow some of their windfall to trickle down to the commoners.
During a press briefing on Monday, the president made sure everyone knew how great the economy is doing, noting that “We’ve had some tremendous success already if you look at what’s happening with the stock market.” Then, he went on:
But the — we’re looking at also considering a capital gains tax cut, which would create a lot more jobs. So we’re looking very seriously at a capital gains tax cut and also at an income tax cut for middle-income families. We’re looking at expanding the tax cuts that we’ve already done, but specifically for middle-income families, and you’ll be hearing about that in the upcoming few weeks, and I think it’ll be very exciting.So, a capital gains tax is going to be — a lot of — a lot of people put to work, and it would be a cut in the capital gains tax and also a cut in the middle-income income tax.No one had any idea what kind of middle-class tax cut he was talking about, and Trump often says he is “looking at” something when he really isn’t. (In fact, he often answers “We’re looking at that very strongly” when asked a question on policy, which usually translates as “I have no idea what that is about but I’m going to pretend it’s something I’m deeply informed and active on.”)
In this case, however, the administration really is “looking at” a capital gains tax cut, or at least hoping for it. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin told reporters on Wednesday that one of the key differences between Trump and former vice president Joe Biden is that the presumptive Democratic nominee wants to raise capital gains taxes while Trump wants to lower them. “While we recover, we should reduce those capital gains,” Mnuchin said.
But cutting the tax would require legislation, and with Democrats controlling the House, that won’t happen. Some believe, however, that the president might have the authority to order the Treasury Department to index capital gains to inflation, which would be the same as a cut. For instance, if you bought a stock 10 years ago for $100 and sold it for $150 today, you’d pay taxes not on the $50 profit but on $150 minus the inflation-adjusted value of $100 from 10 years ago. Which just happens to be $149.94, meaning you’d have to pay taxes on only $0.06.
You can see why that prospect would make Republicans’ hearts go aflutter. According to one analysis, 63 percent of the benefits of indexing capital gains to inflation would go to the richest one-tenth of one percent of Americans.
You almost have to admire Republicans’ commitment to principle. The election is less than three months away, the country is in the grip of a recession, and they’re proposing a tax cut for the wealthy. It’s not because some poll or focus group told them it was a good idea politically, because it’s an absolutely terrible idea. They’re doing it because they believe in it.
And Mnuchin is right: Biden does, indeed, want to raise the capital gains tax. In fact, Biden’s economic plan is probably more liberal than you realize, and on investment income, it embodies an idea some of us have been shouting about for years: We should just tax all income at the same rate. Instead of giving preferential treatment to investment income as we do now, we should tax it the same as wage income. There’s no reason that the money you make when your money makes you more money should be taxed at a lower rate than the money you earn by working. That’s how it works now, and it’s completely upside-down.
Like many of the things Biden has proposed, it will produce a brutal fight if and when it is written into legislation. The thing about rich people is that they are very much opposed to paying more in taxes, and they use their money to make sure the tax code serves their interests. But Biden should thank Trump and his administration for drawing attention to this issue.The income tax goes up to 37 percent, but the capital gains tax tops out at 20 percent. Biden proposes to tax them the same: if you make $50,000 from your job or $50,000 from selling a bunch of stock, it would be taxed at the same rate. It’s simple and logical, but it would mean a profound change from the status quo, in which the interests of rich people always come first.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/08/12/brilliant-political-move-trump-proposes-tax-cut-wealthy/?hpid=hp_save-opinions-float-right-4-0_opinion-card-a-right:homepage/story-ans
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Wait - in that long post it mentions taxing capital gains at the rate of income??? That's a pretty terrible idea unless it starts at an awful high income level. Guess I'll have to go look. If it applies to day traders it makes sense. If it applies to people's 401ks once they start cashing them out for retirement...it's dumb as hell.hippiemom = goodness0
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cincybearcat said:Wait - in that long post it mentions taxing capital gains at the rate of income??? That's a pretty terrible idea unless it starts at an awful high income level. Guess I'll have to go look. If it applies to day traders it makes sense. If it applies to people's 401ks once they start cashing them out for retirement...it's dumb as hell.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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Gern Blansten said:cincybearcat said:Wait - in that long post it mentions taxing capital gains at the rate of income??? That's a pretty terrible idea unless it starts at an awful high income level. Guess I'll have to go look. If it applies to day traders it makes sense. If it applies to people's 401ks once they start cashing them out for retirement...it's dumb as hell.
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cincybearcat said:Gern Blansten said:cincybearcat said:Wait - in that long post it mentions taxing capital gains at the rate of income??? That's a pretty terrible idea unless it starts at an awful high income level. Guess I'll have to go look. If it applies to day traders it makes sense. If it applies to people's 401ks once they start cashing them out for retirement...it's dumb as hell.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt20 -
Gern Blansten said:cincybearcat said:Gern Blansten said:cincybearcat said:Wait - in that long post it mentions taxing capital gains at the rate of income??? That's a pretty terrible idea unless it starts at an awful high income level. Guess I'll have to go look. If it applies to day traders it makes sense. If it applies to people's 401ks once they start cashing them out for retirement...it's dumb as hell.hippiemom = goodness0
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Gern Blansten said:cincybearcat said:Gern Blansten said:cincybearcat said:Wait - in that long post it mentions taxing capital gains at the rate of income??? That's a pretty terrible idea unless it starts at an awful high income level. Guess I'll have to go look. If it applies to day traders it makes sense. If it applies to people's 401ks once they start cashing them out for retirement...it's dumb as hell.0
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