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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,410
    Remember when this thread was about the LIAR-IN-CHIEF ?
    This issue is relevant to the admin.  Also, it will be a campaign issue on the left.  
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,224
    mrussel1 said:
    This issue is relevant to the admin.  Also, it will be a campaign issue on the left.  
    And on the right!
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,066
    edited May 2019
    PJ_Soul said:
    That women can get abortions whenever they want to of course. Everyone needs to have complete control over what is happening inside of their own internal organs, always. But of course NO woman is asking for an abortion when they are full term, that is just not a thing that happens.
    I guess the basic problem is the "child"(when now it would be considered to be a child) inside are not allowed to have that complete control of their own internal organs. Not to sound like Mike Pence.

    I believe my two brothers were 8 weeks early, so that means 7 months old. They were in a "kuvös" (whatever that's called in english - "incubator" maybe?) for a while at the hospital but then everything were normal, and better off than me today I would think my mom would say. Do you think an abortion at 7 months would be a-ok if the woman felt like it?

    Just asking questions out of curiosity, with you being so certain of your stance.

    EDIT: Wait my sister now said they were 12 weeks early. But that sounds extreme... I know one of my brothers weight less than 1 kilogram (35.27 oz) and the doctor asked if my mom and dad wanted to "emergency baptise" them both incase they would not make it.
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,103
    mrussel1 said:
    This issue is relevant to the admin.  Also, it will be a campaign issue on the left.  
    Okay then....

    There is NO such thing as a "post-birth" abortion.
    It is a fearmongering term from the right wingosphere.

    Abortion should always be...
    Affordable 
    Available on demand 
    Legal
    Safe
    Womans choice/decision
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,410
    Okay then....

    There is NO such thing as a "post-birth" abortion.
    It is a fearmongering term from the right wingosphere.

    Abortion should always be...
    Affordable 
    Available on demand 
    Legal
    Safe
    Womans choice/decision
    Agreed, and polls show people are becoming more pro choice, not less so.  The movement in these red states is running counter to the population at large.   That's why it's a good campaign issue as well.  
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,848
    mcgruff10 said:
    Because extremes are bad.  There shouldn't be abortions for all situations and on the flip side abortions shouldn't be totally illegal like in Alabama (not totally illegal but you know what I mean).  And like I said I have no clue what that middle is.  

    And who here is disagreeing with having an abortion if the woman's life is in danger (which is what you are describing I believe)?

    No, that's not at all what I'm saying. 
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,848
    mcgruff10 said:
    I think an abortion should be illegal when the baby becomes viable. Even an abortion at 16 weeks I scratch my head a little. 

    16 weeks is in no way viable. 
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,807

    16 weeks is in no way viable. 
    This I know. But four months into a pregnancy you decide to terminate?  That s what inscratch my head  about. 

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,224
    edited May 2019
    I guess the basic problem is the "child"(when now it would be considered to be a child) inside are not allowed to have that complete control of their own internal organs. Not to sound like Mike Pence.

    I believe my two brothers were 8 weeks early, so that means 7 months old. They were in a "kuvös" (whatever that's called in english - "incubator" maybe?) for a while at the hospital but then everything were normal, and better off than me today I would think my mom would say. Do you think an abortion at 7 months would be a-ok if the woman felt like it?

    Just asking questions out of curiosity, with you being so certain of your stance.

    EDIT: Wait my sister now said they were 12 weeks early. But that sounds extreme... I know one of my brothers weight less than 1 kilogram (35.27 oz) and the doctor asked if my mom and dad wanted to "emergency baptise" them both incase they would not make it.
    As far as I'm concerned, because there is no other way for it, that fetus is nobody's business but that woman's until it is no longer a part of her own body. If people are uncomfortable with that, tough shit. There is no way around it, since women are the ones who bear all the children. I think it is absolutely offensive and dangerous for anyone to assume they can tell a woman what to do with anything inside of her, no matter what it is. I guess if anti-choicers really wanted to, the could start having babies exclusively via test tube, and then all their problems would be over. Fetus-in-a-bag... the next big investment opportunity.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,807
    edited May 2019
    PJ_Soul said:
    As far as I'm concerned, because there is no other way for it, that fetus is nobody's business but that woman's until it is no longer a part of her own body. If people are uncomfortable with that, tough shit. There is no way around it, since women are the ones who bear all the children. I think it is absolutely offensive and dangerous for anyone to assume they can tell a woman what to do with anything inside of her, no matter what it is. I guess if anti-choicers really wanted to, the could start having babies exclusively via test tube, and then all their problems would be over. Fetus-in-a-bag... the next big investment opportunity.
    So the father gets no say at all? (Providing it is not rape or incest)

    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,224
    edited May 2019
    mcgruff10 said:
    So the father gets no say at all? (Providing it is not rape or incest)

    Nope, sorry. I know it sucks, but blame biology. It is INSIDE her body. A man cannot have a say about what is done to the insides of a woman's body. That's the way the cookie crumbles. Maybe men should get more serious about their own birth control, eh?
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,848
    mcgruff10 said:
    This I know. But four months into a pregnancy you decide to terminate?  That s what inscratch my head  about. 


    I don't think you'd be scratching your head about this if you had any idea about all the issues related to the decision to potentially terminate a pregnancy, including first becoming aware of the pregnancy, which for some women takes quite a while, for a variety of reasons. Then there can be quite a long and difficult decision making process of assessing all the relevant factors such as whether the guy is going to be interested and supportive or not, whether there is family support, how this will factor into work or school or other life goals, not to mention the whole area of health issues and assessment of things like fetal anomalies, which can take weeks. That's not even taking into account how difficult it is to access abortion in many areas - there are literally some states with only a handful of abortion providers in the entire state, and those ones operate under credible death threats on a daily basis. How does a young or low income women travel 250 miles to get to a clinic where protesters are going to be shouting at her outside, particularly if the bullshit laws require more than one appointment and a "waiting period"? There is so much going on that you are trivializing when you say "four months into a pregnancy you decide to terminate?"
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,224
    Indeed. So many things also prevent women from knowing they are pregnant until far along. Many women have very irregular periods, to the point where they rarely have one at all, so that is no indication for some. Others keep getting their periods while pregnant, at least for a while. That kind of thing. It can actually be quite easy to get along 12 weeks or more without even knowing you're pregnant, and then, in the USA, like Often said, all the barriers to getting an abortion could easily stretch that further. 
    Not that ANY of that is the point. None of it matters. Us women must have control over our own guts, and that is really the only relevant point IMHO.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,410
    PJ_Soul said:
    Nope, sorry. I know it sucks, but blame biology. It is INSIDE her body. A man cannot have a say about what is done to the insides of a woman's body. That's the way the cookie crumbles. Maybe men should get more serious about their own birth control, eh?
    ding ding ding
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,641
    Man - if only there was an abortion thread. 

    See what happens when there is a thread that just about everyone left (if not everyone left) here already agree with? 

    Tired of posting “trump is an ass”. Let’s talk about WW2 and figure out how to blame America! Let’s talk about abortion!!! Hahah y’all crack me up.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,577
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,807
    mrussel1 said:
    ding ding ding
    Yeah I definitely agree with that. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,807
    edited May 2019
    Man - if only there was an abortion thread. 

    See what happens when there is a thread that just about everyone left (if not everyone left) here already agree with? 

    Tired of posting “trump is an ass”. Let’s talk about WW2 and figure out how to blame America! Let’s talk about abortion!!! Hahah y’all crack me up.
    I thought it was a great day of debating!  I just did a half hour of cardio and now doing some chest while listening to pj.  I feel good.  
    But yeah reading “fuck trump” and “trump is an idiot” gets really old. 
    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,410
    mcgruff10 said:
    I thought it was a great day of debating!  I just did a half hour of cardio and now doing some chest while listening to pj.  I feel good.  
    But yeah reading “fuck trump” and “trump is an idiot” gets really old. 
    Exactly.. talk about whatever the hell you want.  We reel it back in eventually.  Who cares?
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,577
    So old it’s normal.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    PJ_Soul said:
    As far as I'm concerned, because there is no other way for it, that fetus is nobody's business but that woman's until it is no longer a part of her own body. If people are uncomfortable with that, tough shit. There is no way around it, since women are the ones who bear all the children. I think it is absolutely offensive and dangerous for anyone to assume they can tell a woman what to do with anything inside of her, no matter what it is. I guess if anti-choicers really wanted to, the could start having babies exclusively via test tube, and then all their problems would be over. Fetus-in-a-bag... the next big investment opportunity.
    This pretty much nails it for me.  Well-said.

    (and fuck you, quoting feature)
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,641
    mrussel1 said:
    Exactly.. talk about whatever the hell you want.  We reel it back in eventually.  Who cares?
    I am talking about whatever the hell I want 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,410
    I am talking about whatever the hell I want 
    If someone replies,  have at it.  
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,807
    So old it’s normal.
    How many more times or ways can we say trump is an idiot?  I thought today was great in an otherwise very stale and boring time in the pj world. hell spiritual and I even agreed on some things!
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,641
    mrussel1 said:
    If someone replies,  have at it.  
    Well thanks for your permission.  It was funny the shift in topics cause everyone doesn’t like trump.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,410
    Well thanks for your permission.  It was funny the shift in topics cause everyone doesn’t like trump.
    No problem.  Any additional ones will need to be made through a formal TPS form.  Everyone gets a freebie though. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,577
    mcgruff10 said:
    How many more times or ways can we say trump is an idiot?  I thought today was great in an otherwise very stale and boring time in the pj world. hell spiritual and I even agreed on some things!
    I think they may be infinite. The problem is, is that everyday is another idiotic thing that he does or says and we’re becoming unshaded and complacent and as a result, Team Trump Treason is getting away with shitting all over the constitution and the office of the presidency. Welcome to the “new normal.”
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Man - if only there was an abortion thread. 

    See what happens when there is a thread that just about everyone left (if not everyone left) here already agree with? 

    Tired of posting “trump is an ass”. Let’s talk about WW2 and figure out how to blame America! Let’s talk about abortion!!! Hahah y’all crack me up.
    You missed the meeting.  Tuesday is now debating any topic in the trump thread...
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,641
    You missed the meeting.  Tuesday is now debating any topic in the trump thread...
    Man I remember when we just had people bringing up trump in every thread...wait...that wasn’t that long ago!!!

    now instead of every thread about trump, the trump thread isn’t even about trump anymore. It’s like some bizarro world 
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