Sandra Bland..." I feared for my life..."

Meltdown99 said:

mickeyrat said:

concrete example, you shouldnt trust the word of law enforcement JUST because they are law enforcement. If you use "I feared for me life " as an excuse in a situation that investigation rebveals a suspect had no weapon or otherwise weren't a threaat , it should be used as a means of dismissal.

Don't take this the wrong way.  I think anyone WHO trusts a US cop in America is a nutbar.  The US is a law and order nation in which makes your country look weak...you lead the civilized nation in incarceration.  When it comes to justice I have as about as much faith in the US system as I would in China's system...

I don't think it's a matter of flat out blind trust or no trust at all.  Cops are people.  It helps to acquire and cultivate the ability to read people and their intentions, being both skeptical and open in doing so.

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

mickeyrat said:

concrete example, you shouldnt trust the word of law enforcement JUST because they are law enforcement. If you use "I feared for me life " as an excuse in a situation that investigation rebveals a suspect had no weapon or otherwise weren't a threaat , it should be used as a means of dismissal.

Don't take this the wrong way.  I think anyone WHO trusts a US cop in America is a nutbar.  The US is a law and order nation in which makes your country look weak...you lead the civilized nation in incarceration.  When it comes to justice I have as about as much faith in the US system as I would in China's system...

I don't think it's a matter of flat out blind trust or no trust at all.  Cops are people.  It helps to acquire and cultivate the ability to read people and their intentions, being both skeptical and open in doing so.

I have no use for systems of law and order like the US...it resembles shit right out of China.  A good justice system should be flexible at every turn, should be fair whether you have money or not...your system is far from any of those...

The Canadian system is not perfect, but at least we do not look to incarceration as the 1st option if there are better ways.

tempo_n_groove said:

I really want to know what the actual laws are for when you get pulled over?  I don't want to get out of my car.  Why would I?

This video also offers a bunch of knee jerk reactions.  I've always said that if you didn't do anything wrong then you should be ok.

I don't think that is always the case for everyone though, especially not for black people.

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

mickeyrat said:

concrete example, you shouldnt trust the word of law enforcement JUST because they are law enforcement. If you use "I feared for me life " as an excuse in a situation that investigation rebveals a suspect had no weapon or otherwise weren't a threaat , it should be used as a means of dismissal.

Don't take this the wrong way.  I think anyone WHO trusts a US cop in America is a nutbar.  The US is a law and order nation in which makes your country look weak...you lead the civilized nation in incarceration.  When it comes to justice I have as about as much faith in the US system as I would in China's system...

I don't think it's a matter of flat out blind trust or no trust at all.  Cops are people.  It helps to acquire and cultivate the ability to read people and their intentions, being both skeptical and open in doing so.

I have no use for systems of law and order like the US...it resembles shit right out of China.  A good justice system should be flexible at every turn, should be fair whether you have money or not...your system is far from any of those...

The Canadian system is not perfect, but at least we do not look to incarceration as the 1st option if there are better ways.

The U.S. is a big country with regions that vary.  It's not the same everywhere and definitely is not China (although China Town in S.F. is pretty cool!)

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I really want to know what the actual laws are for when you get pulled over?  I don't want to get out of my car.  Why would I?

This video also offers a bunch of knee jerk reactions.  I've always said that if you didn't do anything wrong then you should be ok.

I don't think that is always the case for everyone though, especially not for black people.

I've heard the argument before but how you act goes a long way towards an officer.

I've been harassed because I was a dick and I've been treated great when I was respectful.

Yes, that is often the case. But that is definitely not always the case, especially not for minorities. You are a white guy, so face a much lower probability of having to experience the "dark side of the law" that many others do. The fear and distrust of cops in the black community (for example) is absolutely justified. And all minorities, including the LGBTQ community, also have more reason to be concerned.

brianlux said:

I've been ruthlessly harassed and hugely helped by cops.  There's just no generalizing here.

nope. some amazing people and some outright power hungry dicks. luckily, as a whitey, I can't even remember the last time i was stopped. 15 years ago maybe for not wearing a seatbelt. cop let me off since it was my birthday. LOL

pjhawks said:

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I really want to know what the actual laws are for when you get pulled over?  I don't want to get out of my car.  Why would I?

This video also offers a bunch of knee jerk reactions.  I've always said that if you didn't do anything wrong then you should be ok.

I don't think that is always the case for everyone though, especially not for black people.

I've heard the argument before but how you act goes a long way towards an officer.

I've been harassed because I was a dick and I've been treated great when I was respectful.

Yes, that is often the case. But that is definitely not always the case, especially not for minorities. You are a white guy, so face a much lower probability of having to experience the "dark side of the law" that many others do. The fear and distrust of cops in the black community (for example) is absolutely justified. And all minorities, including the LGBTQ community, also have more reason to be concerned.

we could go on for pages and pages about why a white guy faces a much lower probability to experience the dark side of the law. When people discuss the perception of mostly young black males i always like to ask why that perception, whether by cops or general public, is what it is?  how much of it is based on pure racism vs. how much is based on reality or how reality is presented to us?  until we can discuss and answer those questions from all sides, with all sides, it's going to be hard to change things. 

the same thing (well, not same, but similar) happens up here with aboriginals. we are willing to talk about how they've been oppressed and how the catholic church at the behest of the federal government basically tried to wipe out their culture, but we can't talk about the inherent problems currently facing them without constantly asterisking it with 'but it's the white man's fault'. which is basically true, but if you say anything in that vein without the caveat, you are labelled a racist. 

there are going to be cops that are racist. there are going to be cops that aren't racist but have their guard up because of personal experience, and that will inform their reaction content and time. i don't believe 100% of instances of a black person being wronged at the side of the road is the product of inherent racism. harassment? 100%. shootings? not so black and white, dependent on circumstance and the cop's past experience informing his decision making. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

I've been ruthlessly harassed and hugely helped by cops.  There's just no generalizing here.

nope. some amazing people and some outright power hungry dicks. luckily, as a whitey, I can't even remember the last time i was stopped. 15 years ago maybe for not wearing a seatbelt. cop let me off since it was my birthday. LOL

Sweet!

mickeyrat said:

plenty of times, in different situations, where I have "failed to signal" in front of a cop. not once have I been pulled over for it.

2 times have I been asked to exit a vehicle. one for dui check(cuffed and stuffed). the other to leave the car sit as I had no valid license (no ticket at all). at no other time have I been asked to exit when stopped.

"cuffed and stuffed"-- ouch!  I should have been once or twice in my twenties.  Lucky me, and super lucky I hurt no one.  I was a dumb ass kid.

oftenreading said:

We were all dumb ass kids in one way or another, at one point or other. We all did stuff that could have killed ourselves or someone else. We were just incredibly lucky that it didn't, or at least most of us were. I try to keep that in mind when I read about this stuff in the news. "There but for the grace of FSM go I."