Sandra Bland..." I feared for my life..."

mickeyrat

  Sandra Bland Filmed Traffic Stop Confrontation Herself https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/07/us/sandra-bland-video-brian-encinia.html

mickeyrat

concrete example, you shouldnt trust the word of law enforcement JUST because they are law enforcement. If you use "I feared for me life " as an excuse in a situation that investigation rebveals a suspect had no weapon or otherwise weren't a threaat , it should be used as a means of dismissal.

Meltdown99

mickeyrat said:

concrete example, you shouldnt trust the word of law enforcement JUST because they are law enforcement. If you use "I feared for me life " as an excuse in a situation that investigation rebveals a suspect had no weapon or otherwise weren't a threaat , it should be used as a means of dismissal.

Don't take this the wrong way.  I think anyone WHO trusts a US cop in America is a nutbar.  The US is a law and order nation in which makes your country look weak...you lead the civilized nation in incarceration.  When it comes to justice I have as about as much faith in the US system as I would in China's system...

brianlux

Meltdown99 said:

mickeyrat said:

concrete example, you shouldnt trust the word of law enforcement JUST because they are law enforcement. If you use "I feared for me life " as an excuse in a situation that investigation rebveals a suspect had no weapon or otherwise weren't a threaat , it should be used as a means of dismissal.

Don't take this the wrong way.  I think anyone WHO trusts a US cop in America is a nutbar.  The US is a law and order nation in which makes your country look weak...you lead the civilized nation in incarceration.  When it comes to justice I have as about as much faith in the US system as I would in China's system...

I don't think it's a matter of flat out blind trust or no trust at all.  Cops are people.  It helps to acquire and cultivate the ability to read people and their intentions, being both skeptical and open in doing so.

RunIntoTheRain

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

mickeyrat said:

concrete example, you shouldnt trust the word of law enforcement JUST because they are law enforcement. If you use "I feared for me life " as an excuse in a situation that investigation rebveals a suspect had no weapon or otherwise weren't a threaat , it should be used as a means of dismissal.

Don't take this the wrong way.  I think anyone WHO trusts a US cop in America is a nutbar.  The US is a law and order nation in which makes your country look weak...you lead the civilized nation in incarceration.  When it comes to justice I have as about as much faith in the US system as I would in China's system...

I don't think it's a matter of flat out blind trust or no trust at all.  Cops are people.  It helps to acquire and cultivate the ability to read people and their intentions, being both skeptical and open in doing so.

Very well said @brianlux

Meltdown99

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

mickeyrat said:

concrete example, you shouldnt trust the word of law enforcement JUST because they are law enforcement. If you use "I feared for me life " as an excuse in a situation that investigation rebveals a suspect had no weapon or otherwise weren't a threaat , it should be used as a means of dismissal.

Don't take this the wrong way.  I think anyone WHO trusts a US cop in America is a nutbar.  The US is a law and order nation in which makes your country look weak...you lead the civilized nation in incarceration.  When it comes to justice I have as about as much faith in the US system as I would in China's system...

I don't think it's a matter of flat out blind trust or no trust at all.  Cops are people.  It helps to acquire and cultivate the ability to read people and their intentions, being both skeptical and open in doing so.

I have no use for systems of law and order like the US...it resembles shit right out of China.  A good justice system should be flexible at every turn, should be fair whether you have money or not...your system is far from any of those...

The Canadian system is not perfect, but at least we do not look to incarceration as the 1st option if there are better ways.

tempo_n_groove

I really want to know what the actual laws are for when you get pulled over?  I don't want to get out of my car.  Why would I?

This video also offers a bunch of knee jerk reactions.  I've always said that if you didn't do anything wrong then you should be ok.

PJ_Soul

tempo_n_groove said:

I really want to know what the actual laws are for when you get pulled over?  I don't want to get out of my car.  Why would I?

This video also offers a bunch of knee jerk reactions.  I've always said that if you didn't do anything wrong then you should be ok.

I don't think that is always the case for everyone though, especially not for black people.

Meltdown99

tempo_n_groove said:

I really want to know what the actual laws are for when you get pulled over?  I don't want to get out of my car.  Why would I?

This video also offers a bunch of knee jerk reactions.  I've always said that if you didn't do anything wrong then you should be ok.

I have an Aunt (Uncle passed away, he is part of the story) and Cousin who lives in Michigan.  When my Uncle was alive, he had to take my Aunt to the hospital for surgery and my cousin went with him...it was foggy, very foggy...they were pulled over by a state trooper...my Uncle rolled down the window just enough to give the trooper his licence...at first the trooper said roll your window down all the way, my Uncle refused and said he knows his rights...the trooper never objected...

My Uncle maintained he was in the right.  The trooper never objected?  I still do not know.  My cousin still does not know...

brianlux

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

mickeyrat said:

concrete example, you shouldnt trust the word of law enforcement JUST because they are law enforcement. If you use "I feared for me life " as an excuse in a situation that investigation rebveals a suspect had no weapon or otherwise weren't a threaat , it should be used as a means of dismissal.

Don't take this the wrong way.  I think anyone WHO trusts a US cop in America is a nutbar.  The US is a law and order nation in which makes your country look weak...you lead the civilized nation in incarceration.  When it comes to justice I have as about as much faith in the US system as I would in China's system...

I don't think it's a matter of flat out blind trust or no trust at all.  Cops are people.  It helps to acquire and cultivate the ability to read people and their intentions, being both skeptical and open in doing so.

I have no use for systems of law and order like the US...it resembles shit right out of China.  A good justice system should be flexible at every turn, should be fair whether you have money or not...your system is far from any of those...

The Canadian system is not perfect, but at least we do not look to incarceration as the 1st option if there are better ways.

The U.S. is a big country with regions that vary.  It's not the same everywhere and definitely is not China (although China Town in S.F. is pretty cool!)

tempo_n_groove

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I really want to know what the actual laws are for when you get pulled over?  I don't want to get out of my car.  Why would I?

This video also offers a bunch of knee jerk reactions.  I've always said that if you didn't do anything wrong then you should be ok.

I don't think that is always the case for everyone though, especially not for black people.

I've heard the argument before but how you act goes a long way towards an officer.

I've been harassed because I was a dick and I've been treated great when I was respectful.

PJ_Soul

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I really want to know what the actual laws are for when you get pulled over?  I don't want to get out of my car.  Why would I?

This video also offers a bunch of knee jerk reactions.  I've always said that if you didn't do anything wrong then you should be ok.

I don't think that is always the case for everyone though, especially not for black people.

I've heard the argument before but how you act goes a long way towards an officer.

I've been harassed because I was a dick and I've been treated great when I was respectful.

Yes, that is often the case. But that is definitely not always the case, especially not for minorities. You are a white guy, so face a much lower probability of having to experience the "dark side of the law" that many others do. The fear and distrust of cops in the black community (for example) is absolutely justified. And all minorities, including the LGBTQ community, also have more reason to be concerned.

brianlux

I've been ruthlessly harassed and hugely helped by cops.  There's just no generalizing here.

HughFreakingDillon

brianlux said:

I've been ruthlessly harassed and hugely helped by cops.  There's just no generalizing here.

nope. some amazing people and some outright power hungry dicks. luckily, as a whitey, I can't even remember the last time i was stopped. 15 years ago maybe for not wearing a seatbelt. cop let me off since it was my birthday. LOL

pjhawks

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I really want to know what the actual laws are for when you get pulled over?  I don't want to get out of my car.  Why would I?

This video also offers a bunch of knee jerk reactions.  I've always said that if you didn't do anything wrong then you should be ok.

I don't think that is always the case for everyone though, especially not for black people.

I've heard the argument before but how you act goes a long way towards an officer.

I've been harassed because I was a dick and I've been treated great when I was respectful.

Yes, that is often the case. But that is definitely not always the case, especially not for minorities. You are a white guy, so face a much lower probability of having to experience the "dark side of the law" that many others do. The fear and distrust of cops in the black community (for example) is absolutely justified. And all minorities, including the LGBTQ community, also have more reason to be concerned.

we could go on for pages and pages about why a white guy faces a much lower probability to experience the dark side of the law. When people discuss the perception of mostly young black males i always like to ask why that perception, whether by cops or general public, is what it is?  how much of it is based on pure racism vs. how much is based on reality or how reality is presented to us?  until we can discuss and answer those questions from all sides, with all sides, it's going to be hard to change things. 

HughFreakingDillon

pjhawks said:

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I really want to know what the actual laws are for when you get pulled over?  I don't want to get out of my car.  Why would I?

This video also offers a bunch of knee jerk reactions.  I've always said that if you didn't do anything wrong then you should be ok.

I don't think that is always the case for everyone though, especially not for black people.

I've heard the argument before but how you act goes a long way towards an officer.

I've been harassed because I was a dick and I've been treated great when I was respectful.

Yes, that is often the case. But that is definitely not always the case, especially not for minorities. You are a white guy, so face a much lower probability of having to experience the "dark side of the law" that many others do. The fear and distrust of cops in the black community (for example) is absolutely justified. And all minorities, including the LGBTQ community, also have more reason to be concerned.

we could go on for pages and pages about why a white guy faces a much lower probability to experience the dark side of the law. When people discuss the perception of mostly young black males i always like to ask why that perception, whether by cops or general public, is what it is?  how much of it is based on pure racism vs. how much is based on reality or how reality is presented to us?  until we can discuss and answer those questions from all sides, with all sides, it's going to be hard to change things. 

the same thing (well, not same, but similar) happens up here with aboriginals. we are willing to talk about how they've been oppressed and how the catholic church at the behest of the federal government basically tried to wipe out their culture, but we can't talk about the inherent problems currently facing them without constantly asterisking it with 'but it's the white man's fault'. which is basically true, but if you say anything in that vein without the caveat, you are labelled a racist. 

there are going to be cops that are racist. there are going to be cops that aren't racist but have their guard up because of personal experience, and that will inform their reaction content and time. i don't believe 100% of instances of a black person being wronged at the side of the road is the product of inherent racism. harassment? 100%. shootings? not so black and white, dependent on circumstance and the cop's past experience informing his decision making. 

mickeyrat

plenty of times, in different situations, where I have "failed to signal" in front of a cop. not once have I been pulled over for it.

2 times have I been asked to exit a vehicle. one for dui check(cuffed and stuffed). the other to leave the car sit as I had no valid license (no ticket at all). at no other time have I been asked to exit when stopped.

brianlux

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

I've been ruthlessly harassed and hugely helped by cops.  There's just no generalizing here.

nope. some amazing people and some outright power hungry dicks. luckily, as a whitey, I can't even remember the last time i was stopped. 15 years ago maybe for not wearing a seatbelt. cop let me off since it was my birthday. LOL

Sweet!

mickeyrat said:

plenty of times, in different situations, where I have "failed to signal" in front of a cop. not once have I been pulled over for it.

2 times have I been asked to exit a vehicle. one for dui check(cuffed and stuffed). the other to leave the car sit as I had no valid license (no ticket at all). at no other time have I been asked to exit when stopped.

"cuffed and stuffed"-- ouch!  I should have been once or twice in my twenties.  Lucky me, and super lucky I hurt no one.  I was a dumb ass kid.

oftenreading

We were all dumb ass kids in one way or another, at one point or other. We all did stuff that could have killed ourselves or someone else. We were just incredibly lucky that it didn't, or at least most of us were. I try to keep that in mind when I read about this stuff in the news. "There but for the grace of FSM go I."

brianlux

oftenreading said:

We were all dumb ass kids in one way or another, at one point or other. We all did stuff that could have killed ourselves or someone else. We were just incredibly lucky that it didn't, or at least most of us were. I try to keep that in mind when I read about this stuff in the news. "There but for the grace of FSM go I."

Well said. 

In the mid seventies I knew these two really great guys, both in there late teens.  One night they went out and got drunk and took a joy ride.  The car slammed into a tree and one of the boys dies.  They weren't "bad" kids at all.  Just two otherwise fine young men being stupid while having a good time.  That really shook me up and drove some sense into my head the hard way.  I was so bummed for both the deceased and the survivor (who was also the driver.  That was heavy.)

I never had kids but after that I figured if I ever did I would tell them, "Look, you're probably going to get drunk someday when you're old enough [generally mid to late teens, speaking practically], so when you do, have a good time, stay off the road, don't drink yourself to death  (it happens),  stay alive, and good luck with the hangover."

brianlux

oftenreading said:

We were all dumb ass kids in one way or another, at one point or other. We all did stuff that could have killed ourselves or someone else. We were just incredibly lucky that it didn't, or at least most of us were. I try to keep that in mind when I read about this stuff in the news. "There but for the grace of FSM go I."

P.S.

Not sure what FSM is. 

dignin

brianlux said:

oftenreading said:

We were all dumb ass kids in one way or another, at one point or other. We all did stuff that could have killed ourselves or someone else. We were just incredibly lucky that it didn't, or at least most of us were. I try to keep that in mind when I read about this stuff in the news. "There but for the grace of FSM go I."

P.S.

Not sure what FSM is. 

You haven't been touched by his noodly appendage?

Halifax2TheMax

dignin said:

brianlux said:

oftenreading said:

We were all dumb ass kids in one way or another, at one point or other. We all did stuff that could have killed ourselves or someone else. We were just incredibly lucky that it didn't, or at least most of us were. I try to keep that in mind when I read about this stuff in the news. "There but for the grace of FSM go I."

P.S.

Not sure what FSM is. 

You haven't been touched by his noodly appendage?

You mean like Mobey did to Team Trump Treason?

HughFreakingDillon

brianlux said:

oftenreading said:

We were all dumb ass kids in one way or another, at one point or other. We all did stuff that could have killed ourselves or someone else. We were just incredibly lucky that it didn't, or at least most of us were. I try to keep that in mind when I read about this stuff in the news. "There but for the grace of FSM go I."

P.S.

Not sure what FSM is. 

the almighty flying spaghetti monster

tempo_n_groove

Halifax2TheMax said:

dignin said:

brianlux said:

oftenreading said:

We were all dumb ass kids in one way or another, at one point or other. We all did stuff that could have killed ourselves or someone else. We were just incredibly lucky that it didn't, or at least most of us were. I try to keep that in mind when I read about this stuff in the news. "There but for the grace of FSM go I."

P.S.

Not sure what FSM is. 

You haven't been touched by his noodly appendage?

You mean like Mobey did to Team Trump Treason?

I know it's hard but, try not to taint every thread you come across.

brianlux

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

oftenreading said:

We were all dumb ass kids in one way or another, at one point or other. We all did stuff that could have killed ourselves or someone else. We were just incredibly lucky that it didn't, or at least most of us were. I try to keep that in mind when I read about this stuff in the news. "There but for the grace of FSM go I."

P.S.

Not sure what FSM is. 

the almighty flying spaghetti monster

Neva hoid of it.

Has anybody pointed out that maybe it should be "I was fearful for my life"?

Halifax2TheMax

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

dignin said:

brianlux said:

oftenreading said:

We were all dumb ass kids in one way or another, at one point or other. We all did stuff that could have killed ourselves or someone else. We were just incredibly lucky that it didn't, or at least most of us were. I try to keep that in mind when I read about this stuff in the news. "There but for the grace of FSM go I."

P.S.

Not sure what FSM is. 

You haven't been touched by his noodly appendage?

You mean like Mobey did to Team Trump Treason?

I know it's hard but, try not to taint every thread you come across.

Snitty.

mickeyrat

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

dignin said:

brianlux said:

oftenreading said:

We were all dumb ass kids in one way or another, at one point or other. We all did stuff that could have killed ourselves or someone else. We were just incredibly lucky that it didn't, or at least most of us were. I try to keep that in mind when I read about this stuff in the news. "There but for the grace of FSM go I."

P.S.

Not sure what FSM is. 

You haven't been touched by his noodly appendage?

You mean like Mobey did to Team Trump Treason?

I know it's hard but, try not to taint every thread you come across.

Snitty.

no. its fucking tiresome. seriously.

HughFreakingDillon

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

oftenreading said:

We were all dumb ass kids in one way or another, at one point or other. We all did stuff that could have killed ourselves or someone else. We were just incredibly lucky that it didn't, or at least most of us were. I try to keep that in mind when I read about this stuff in the news. "There but for the grace of FSM go I."

P.S.

Not sure what FSM is. 

the almighty flying spaghetti monster

Neva hoid of it.

Has anybody pointed out that maybe it should be "I was fearful for my life"?

https://www.venganza.org/about/

brianlux

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

oftenreading said:

We were all dumb ass kids in one way or another, at one point or other. We all did stuff that could have killed ourselves or someone else. We were just incredibly lucky that it didn't, or at least most of us were. I try to keep that in mind when I read about this stuff in the news. "There but for the grace of FSM go I."

P.S.

Not sure what FSM is. 

the almighty flying spaghetti monster

Neva hoid of it.

Has anybody pointed out that maybe it should be "I was fearful for my life"?

https://www.venganza.org/about/

A god with big balls.  Well OK then.      

Halifax2TheMax

mickeyrat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

dignin said:

brianlux said:

oftenreading said:

We were all dumb ass kids in one way or another, at one point or other. We all did stuff that could have killed ourselves or someone else. We were just incredibly lucky that it didn't, or at least most of us were. I try to keep that in mind when I read about this stuff in the news. "There but for the grace of FSM go I."

P.S.

Not sure what FSM is. 

You haven't been touched by his noodly appendage?

You mean like Mobey did to Team Trump Treason?

I know it's hard but, try not to taint every thread you come across.

Snitty.

no. its fucking tiresome. seriously.

I'm sorry some on here don't share my sense of humour when it comes to Team Trump Treason and our ghastly one degree of separation.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/moby-penis-rub-donald-trump-knob-touch-831286/

Lighten up. Seriously.