The Democratic Candidates
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Robert O’Rourke still has my vote. In the primaries anyway...0
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From Marblehead. Still the best police blotter ever.F Me In The Brain said:gerrymandergreat term"early 19th century: from the name of Governor Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts + salamander, from the supposed similarity between a salamander and the shape of a new voting district on a map drawn when he was in office (1812), the creation of which was felt to favor his party; the map (with claws, wings, and fangs added) was published in the Boston Weekly Messenger, with the title The Gerry-Mander ."
"There's a black person on the sidewalk" appeared almost weekly. Actually, they stopped publishing it. Guessing nothing's changed, though.I SAW PEARL JAM0 -
Ok - skipping over your pissing match...my2hands said:
*ahem*mrussel1 said:OnWis97 said:Bringing some discussion from the "impending impeachment" thread over here...it was suggested, correctly, that the "cooler" candidate wins.
So, who's "cooler" than Trump...well, just like with Bush, I don't get why people thought he was so cool. But they do. So...
I don't see any of the democratic candidates as appreciably cooler with the exception of Beto. Maybe Mayor Pete. Joe? No. In 2016, I wanted Joe to run (not that the party would have allowed Hillary to lose). He kinda had a sharp tongue and I think would have run up the score in the debates. Now? Now, we're embedded in the idea that we need someone "different." And he's super-old. He's not going to score any "cool" points.
It doesn't look good. I say run Kamala and Booker and hope he drops an n-bomb.
No one here ever discusses the African American vote in the Democratic party, but it's impossible to underestimate how critical that is, and the fact that right Biden is dominating that vote. He has real credibility in that demographic and the SC primary is very early in the process.
Someone here has discussed it quite a bit
You seriously think no one here understands that the Dems get the black vote? And when they don't get enough they lose (see Trump, Donald).? Really? Maybe I'm missing something here.
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based on what we read here this AM, "there is a black on the sidewalk"dankind said:
From Marblehead. Still the best police blotter ever.F Me In The Brain said:gerrymandergreat term"early 19th century: from the name of Governor Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts + salamander, from the supposed similarity between a salamander and the shape of a new voting district on a map drawn when he was in office (1812), the creation of which was felt to favor his party; the map (with claws, wings, and fangs added) was published in the Boston Weekly Messenger, with the title The Gerry-Mander ."
"There's a black person on the sidewalk" appeared almost weekly. Actually, they stopped publishing it. Guessing nothing's changed, though.
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cincybearcat said:
Ok - skipping over your pissing match...my2hands said:
*ahem*mrussel1 said:OnWis97 said:Bringing some discussion from the "impending impeachment" thread over here...it was suggested, correctly, that the "cooler" candidate wins.
So, who's "cooler" than Trump...well, just like with Bush, I don't get why people thought he was so cool. But they do. So...
I don't see any of the democratic candidates as appreciably cooler with the exception of Beto. Maybe Mayor Pete. Joe? No. In 2016, I wanted Joe to run (not that the party would have allowed Hillary to lose). He kinda had a sharp tongue and I think would have run up the score in the debates. Now? Now, we're embedded in the idea that we need someone "different." And he's super-old. He's not going to score any "cool" points.
It doesn't look good. I say run Kamala and Booker and hope he drops an n-bomb.
No one here ever discusses the African American vote in the Democratic party, but it's impossible to underestimate how critical that is, and the fact that right Biden is dominating that vote. He has real credibility in that demographic and the SC primary is very early in the process.
Someone here has discussed it quite a bit
You seriously think no one here understands that the Dems get the black vote? And when they don't get enough they lose (see Trump, Donald).? Really? Maybe I'm missing something here.
i've never said anything about people not understanding anything... I have simply pointed out in the past on the AMT that black voter turnout dropped in 2016 and that is the ultimate reason HRC lost, not Russian tweets.... and i've also stated I believe the reason the black voter turnout dropped was the lack of a minority on the ballot, especially after 8 years of Obama being POTUS.that is literally the only two points I have made. people can agree or disagree, doesn't matter to me
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Was meant for mrussel1 sorry, quote feature was being weirdmy2hands said:cincybearcat said:
Ok - skipping over your pissing match...my2hands said:
*ahem*mrussel1 said:OnWis97 said:Bringing some discussion from the "impending impeachment" thread over here...it was suggested, correctly, that the "cooler" candidate wins.
So, who's "cooler" than Trump...well, just like with Bush, I don't get why people thought he was so cool. But they do. So...
I don't see any of the democratic candidates as appreciably cooler with the exception of Beto. Maybe Mayor Pete. Joe? No. In 2016, I wanted Joe to run (not that the party would have allowed Hillary to lose). He kinda had a sharp tongue and I think would have run up the score in the debates. Now? Now, we're embedded in the idea that we need someone "different." And he's super-old. He's not going to score any "cool" points.
It doesn't look good. I say run Kamala and Booker and hope he drops an n-bomb.
No one here ever discusses the African American vote in the Democratic party, but it's impossible to underestimate how critical that is, and the fact that right Biden is dominating that vote. He has real credibility in that demographic and the SC primary is very early in the process.
Someone here has discussed it quite a bit
You seriously think no one here understands that the Dems get the black vote? And when they don't get enough they lose (see Trump, Donald).? Really? Maybe I'm missing something here.
i've never said anything about people not understanding anything... I have simply pointed out in the past on the AMT that black voter turnout dropped in 2016 and that is the ultimate reason HRC lost, not Russian tweets.... and i've also stated I believe the reason the black voter turnout dropped was the lack of a minority on the ballot, especially after 8 years of Obama being POTUS.that is literally the only two points I have made. people can agree or disagree, doesn't matter to me
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I'm saying that we haven't really discussed it, not that people here were unaware of it. We have discussed it intensely from the perspective of the young, millenials, the progressives vs the liberals, and women but very little on the African American vote. I was pointing out that while the loud and boisterous social media presence may seem to want someone new and different and more liberal, I'm not sure that the rank and file feel the same (as evidenced by current polling) and the African American community is a huge part of that constituency.cincybearcat said:
Was meant for mrussel1 sorry, quote feature was being weirdmy2hands said:cincybearcat said:
Ok - skipping over your pissing match...my2hands said:
*ahem*mrussel1 said:OnWis97 said:Bringing some discussion from the "impending impeachment" thread over here...it was suggested, correctly, that the "cooler" candidate wins.
So, who's "cooler" than Trump...well, just like with Bush, I don't get why people thought he was so cool. But they do. So...
I don't see any of the democratic candidates as appreciably cooler with the exception of Beto. Maybe Mayor Pete. Joe? No. In 2016, I wanted Joe to run (not that the party would have allowed Hillary to lose). He kinda had a sharp tongue and I think would have run up the score in the debates. Now? Now, we're embedded in the idea that we need someone "different." And he's super-old. He's not going to score any "cool" points.
It doesn't look good. I say run Kamala and Booker and hope he drops an n-bomb.
No one here ever discusses the African American vote in the Democratic party, but it's impossible to underestimate how critical that is, and the fact that right Biden is dominating that vote. He has real credibility in that demographic and the SC primary is very early in the process.
Someone here has discussed it quite a bit
You seriously think no one here understands that the Dems get the black vote? And when they don't get enough they lose (see Trump, Donald).? Really? Maybe I'm missing something here.
i've never said anything about people not understanding anything... I have simply pointed out in the past on the AMT that black voter turnout dropped in 2016 and that is the ultimate reason HRC lost, not Russian tweets.... and i've also stated I believe the reason the black voter turnout dropped was the lack of a minority on the ballot, especially after 8 years of Obama being POTUS.that is literally the only two points I have made. people can agree or disagree, doesn't matter to me
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Nice so you’re leaving the door open for the Baffoon vote ha ..PJPOWER said:Robert O’Rourke still has my vote. In the primaries anyway...jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
It’s not even a thought I’ll be pulling the level for any of the 22 candidates instead of the Baffoon!jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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But Hills was rank and file and they didn't come out to vote. I'd assume if you want to get more african american voters, you'll need Harris/Booker or someone that looks like them on the ticket.mrussel1 said:
I'm saying that we haven't really discussed it, not that people here were unaware of it. We have discussed it intensely from the perspective of the young, millenials, the progressives vs the liberals, and women but very little on the African American vote. I was pointing out that while the loud and boisterous social media presence may seem to want someone new and different and more liberal, I'm not sure that the rank and file feel the same (as evidenced by current polling) and the African American community is a huge part of that constituency.cincybearcat said:
Was meant for mrussel1 sorry, quote feature was being weirdmy2hands said:cincybearcat said:
Ok - skipping over your pissing match...my2hands said:
*ahem*mrussel1 said:OnWis97 said:Bringing some discussion from the "impending impeachment" thread over here...it was suggested, correctly, that the "cooler" candidate wins.
So, who's "cooler" than Trump...well, just like with Bush, I don't get why people thought he was so cool. But they do. So...
I don't see any of the democratic candidates as appreciably cooler with the exception of Beto. Maybe Mayor Pete. Joe? No. In 2016, I wanted Joe to run (not that the party would have allowed Hillary to lose). He kinda had a sharp tongue and I think would have run up the score in the debates. Now? Now, we're embedded in the idea that we need someone "different." And he's super-old. He's not going to score any "cool" points.
It doesn't look good. I say run Kamala and Booker and hope he drops an n-bomb.
No one here ever discusses the African American vote in the Democratic party, but it's impossible to underestimate how critical that is, and the fact that right Biden is dominating that vote. He has real credibility in that demographic and the SC primary is very early in the process.
Someone here has discussed it quite a bit
You seriously think no one here understands that the Dems get the black vote? And when they don't get enough they lose (see Trump, Donald).? Really? Maybe I'm missing something here.
i've never said anything about people not understanding anything... I have simply pointed out in the past on the AMT that black voter turnout dropped in 2016 and that is the ultimate reason HRC lost, not Russian tweets.... and i've also stated I believe the reason the black voter turnout dropped was the lack of a minority on the ballot, especially after 8 years of Obama being POTUS.that is literally the only two points I have made. people can agree or disagree, doesn't matter to me
And I do think this is the space that hurts Buddha-Judge's chances the most. He will need them in the general election and I do not think the African american community will be excited to vote for a gay man. Could be wrong.hippiemom = goodness0 -
... what the fuck.PJPOWER said:Robert O’Rourke still has my vote. In the primaries anyway..."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Yes, the older community is definitely more socially conservative. I think you're right.cincybearcat said:
But Hills was rank and file and they didn't come out to vote. I'd assume if you want to get more african american voters, you'll need Harris/Booker or someone that looks like them on the ticket.mrussel1 said:
I'm saying that we haven't really discussed it, not that people here were unaware of it. We have discussed it intensely from the perspective of the young, millenials, the progressives vs the liberals, and women but very little on the African American vote. I was pointing out that while the loud and boisterous social media presence may seem to want someone new and different and more liberal, I'm not sure that the rank and file feel the same (as evidenced by current polling) and the African American community is a huge part of that constituency.cincybearcat said:
Was meant for mrussel1 sorry, quote feature was being weirdmy2hands said:cincybearcat said:
Ok - skipping over your pissing match...my2hands said:
*ahem*mrussel1 said:OnWis97 said:Bringing some discussion from the "impending impeachment" thread over here...it was suggested, correctly, that the "cooler" candidate wins.
So, who's "cooler" than Trump...well, just like with Bush, I don't get why people thought he was so cool. But they do. So...
I don't see any of the democratic candidates as appreciably cooler with the exception of Beto. Maybe Mayor Pete. Joe? No. In 2016, I wanted Joe to run (not that the party would have allowed Hillary to lose). He kinda had a sharp tongue and I think would have run up the score in the debates. Now? Now, we're embedded in the idea that we need someone "different." And he's super-old. He's not going to score any "cool" points.
It doesn't look good. I say run Kamala and Booker and hope he drops an n-bomb.
No one here ever discusses the African American vote in the Democratic party, but it's impossible to underestimate how critical that is, and the fact that right Biden is dominating that vote. He has real credibility in that demographic and the SC primary is very early in the process.
Someone here has discussed it quite a bit
You seriously think no one here understands that the Dems get the black vote? And when they don't get enough they lose (see Trump, Donald).? Really? Maybe I'm missing something here.
i've never said anything about people not understanding anything... I have simply pointed out in the past on the AMT that black voter turnout dropped in 2016 and that is the ultimate reason HRC lost, not Russian tweets.... and i've also stated I believe the reason the black voter turnout dropped was the lack of a minority on the ballot, especially after 8 years of Obama being POTUS.that is literally the only two points I have made. people can agree or disagree, doesn't matter to me
And I do think this is the space that hurts Buddha-Judge's chances the most. He will need them in the general election and I do not think the African american community will be excited to vote for a gay man. Could be wrong.
Whoever the candidate is, everyone's going to have to swallow a bit of pride and vote for your "not favorite" candidate.0 -
May vote for Bernie if he runs on 3rd party, or write Hillary in.Spiritual_Chaos said:
... what the fuck.PJPOWER said:Robert O’Rourke still has my vote. In the primaries anyway...Post edited by PJPOWER on0 -
you're kidding, right?PJPOWER said:
May vote for Bernie if he runs on 3rd party, or write Hillary in.Spiritual_Chaos said:
... what the fuck.PJPOWER said:Robert O’Rourke still has my vote. In the primaries anyway...By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Of course I’m kidding, lol. Mickey Mouse maybe though...Anyways, happy Friday all!HughFreakingDillon said:
you're kidding, right?PJPOWER said:
May vote for Bernie if he runs on 3rd party, or write Hillary in.Spiritual_Chaos said:
... what the fuck.PJPOWER said:Robert O’Rourke still has my vote. In the primaries anyway...
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I'm writing in Tony Stark at this rate lol0
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F Me In The Brain said:Lerxst1992 said:F Me In The Brain said:Lerxst1992 said:
Age discrimination alive and well in America.F Me In The Brain said:Need someone who doesn't have one foot in the grave.Sorry, but this is a lazy and relatively brainless statement.We covered this previously - but there are lots of posts so we can do it again, if you would like.How about the fact that if I am 34 I cannot be POTUS? Where is the Ageism cry against that?Age should be a viable consideration. Would you elect someone who was 102? 12?
Is it fair to openly say a woman is unqualified, or a black or a hispanic?
Some 55 yo's have trouble with memory. I'd say Bernies mind is probably sharper than yours. Definitely mine (I'm about Stone's age FWIW )
How can age possibly factor into these examples?
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"As directed by the Constitution, apresidential candidate must be a natural born citizen of the United States, a resident for 14 years, and 35 years of age or older."I hear your point -- and I have met and spoken with Bernie on 2 occasions, years apart from one another. Not a fan of his, politically, but think he is a pretty interesting guy and is very sharp.Bringing up the point about a person's gender or ethnicity does not apply, here. (In my opinion)Why not approach the discussion from this pov:The constitution is ageist. Why can a 34 year old not be POTUS? Is it fair to openly say a woman is unqualified, or a minority?Some 36 year olds have (insert criticism here) - and some 78 year olds have (insert same criticism) - why is it OK for the constitution to set an age mimunum but not an age maximum.There is already ageism at work when it comes to POTUS qualifications -- so why would it be discriminatory for a person of some intelligence to want to discuss the realities that go along with a person's mental and physical capabilities between the ages of 78-86, discuss the realities of the average changes of a person's mental and physical capabilities between the age of 78 and then 86, the incredible demands that a job such as POTUS puts on a person's mental and physical well-being, and then consider that it is quite possibly a poor idea to elect a person who is 78?I laugh at the idea that I am discriminating. If that is by the definition, fine. I own it, but I do not think there is anything beyond good common sense behind asking such questions. I do not buy that it folds into the idea that "a woman, or a black or a hispanic" is unqualified.I actually did not say that Joe is unqualified. I said there should be a person who is nominated who does not have one foot in the grave...which is 'silly' for old as hell. I do think Joe as a person, is one of the most qualified people we could consider. I will vote for Joe if it comes down to Joe vs. The Grand Wizard Trump.
To me dismissing a person automatically whether due to their age, ethnicity or gender are all forms of discrimination.
Now if Biden continues to stutter in the same manner as he did in his China comments I agree attacking his mental capacity would be fair. But to judge him solely on his age is wrong. He deserves the chance to prove that he is up to the task.
The age requirement might be unfair but it is in the constitution. The only way around that is to amend it. If Biden does get the nomination it would be pretty exciting if he selected Beto or mayor Pete for VP0 -
Eh. You are making it about an attack on Joe for his age but it is a question about the soundness of a decision to elect anyone that is 78 to the position.
Joe could sound perfect today (instead of how he sounded on China) and I would make the same question.The love he receives is the love that is saved0 -
In all fairness, Biden has just joined the race. All of the other candidates were not polished at the beginning of their runs. Some of them had a hard time answering questions and getting together a cohesive message; including the young ones. Even seasoned politicos need to adjust to the pace of the crazy Presidential campaign road.F Me In The Brain said:Eh. You are making it about an attack on Joe for his age but it is a question about the soundness of a decision to elect anyone that is 78 to the position.
Joe could sound perfect today (instead of how he sounded on China) and I would make the same question.
I'm not going to judge Biden from a snippet taken out of a speech. I didn't see the whole speech and all of the candidates took some time to get their message together, get into the flow of the race and find their best self. Because he came into the race late, most of the other candidates are in the flow of the campaign trail and Biden is going to look less polished for a short time. Regardless of age, it's a grind that takes getting used to.
If he never works out the kinks, then I can assess him according to his appeal, not his age. I, personally, don't have a problem with the ages of the candidates, whether very young or older (impending deaths of people in their late 60's and 70's, or whatever age, is a bit too much for me). If anything happens to any of the candidates that becomes the nominee, there is a process. And if someone develops dementia suddenly, there is an Amendment for that).
I will see how things progress over the next couple of weeks. The first debate is coming up and that will be a good judge of sharpness and capability. For me.Post edited by njnancy on0 -
I understand, Nancy.
For me, I don't care if he is razor sharp....doesn't change the concerns I have.
Those are logical, to me, and not reactionary or emotional.
Still voting for him above Donny every day of the week.The love he receives is the love that is saved0
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