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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    tbergs said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Look, there is no such thing an abortion being performed on a live fetus when the mother is about to give birth. That is called CHILDBIRTH.
    Watch the video.  Go to 1:50.  Then we’ll talk.
    so if you think that Trump's take is "spot on", that the baby is born and THEN they kill it, how are they killing it?

    no licensed physician who wants to practice medicine would ever "abort" a fetus while the mother is giving birth. 

    I do not, however, agree with aborting a fetus in the latter stages because of "mental harm". that opens way too many doors. 
    No, I agree that he was spot on as far as saying exactly what blackface said.  I don’t think it happens, not sure the confusion here.  Blackface was asked about what kathy Tran said, he confirmed that the bill was to include abortions of babies after they were born.  Trump tweeted what he said.  Do I think they are performing post birth abortions? No.  Do I think that her testimony shows that they would be included in that bill (which was voted down)? Yes, that’s what she said.
    Why don't you refer to the Potus as a pussy grabber?  You must think blackface in 1984 is worse than sexually assaulting a woman today.  Your morals are really fucked up.  
    Because that’s something he said.  This dude did it, and is in a picture with his face painted black next to a dude in a kkk outfit.  I know you don’t want to admit it, but people say fucked up shit all the time.  Sucks for him it was recorded, but friends of mine and myself say worse shit every day to each other to get a laugh.

    not defending trump in this regard, just saying, get me a photo of him grabbing a pussy and I’ll call him a pussy grabber, no question.
    Ha! So you don't think he actually made a practice of aggressively coming onto women over the years,  whether they wanted it or not? Jesus,  are you naive or daft. 

    For the record,  Northam denied it was him.  So I guess you should edit your post.
    Name a man in power these days who hasn’t! That’s what they all do, they’re all dirtbags, I won’t defend any of them.  Just saying, dude has a pee tape of him in blackface.  Deny deny, but he got made.
    Obama.  Kaine.  Bush. 

    Obama is a dirt bag,  eh? Okay,  whatever is necessary to normalize Trump and your vote. 
    Jesus bro, relax, why are you so mad? Lol.  I rationalize my vote by a good economy. I don’t read about what trump wears, rarely ever what he tweets.  Things are going really well for me and that’s a good thing. If you let yourself get mad all the time over stupid stuff that doesn’t affect you, you’re fighting a losing battle.  Just worry about the stuff you can do something about.  Life’s too short to sweat the small stuff.
    How do they it say it in the gun thread again? Oh yeah, thoughts and prayers to your naivety. You're me first and always attitude is the standard Trump voter. If only there was a way for instant karma to come and knock you right on the head...
    So you know, I’ve never gotten a penny from anyone.  I started with nothing, have never had health care, and paid for my entire bachelors degree and masters degrees with my own money.  I believe in busting your ass, not free shit for lazy people.  I own two businesses and two houses, have over 70 employees, and have now had 1 day off in the last year.  So go ahead and attack me with your wishes of me getting  hit in the head. I will never respect laziness.
    laziness, and if you have enough time to call people names and attack them on a band’s website, all you’re doing is being lazy when you could be working.  You tell me I only care about myself but I give away more money in charity to causes for vets and cancer (lots both my rents to cancer when I was in my 20’s) thank you probably ever will.  You don’t impress me.
    thing is, being a white male (correct me if I'm wrong), maybe you didn't have any literal pennies given to you in your quest for success (much respect to you), but you had figurative ones given to you at every turn. part of what people despise about trump, is that he is giving more figurative pennies to the white and the rich. more so the latter. but he doing absolutely nothing to help minorities or those that didn't have the benefits we have "winning the lottery by being born". 
    I am white, yep.  Grew up in a shitty household in a family with 6 kids.  Grew up sharing a bedroom with 3 brothers, moved 5 times by the time I was 11.  Not sure I was given a whole lot by being white.  Went to
    an inner city school where there weren’t too many white kids, always got 
    my ass kicked a lot and kept to myself.  Not sure what privilege I got.  Started washing dishes in a shitty restaurant at 15 and have been on my feet ever since.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,511
    edited April 2019
    tbergs said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Look, there is no such thing an abortion being performed on a live fetus when the mother is about to give birth. That is called CHILDBIRTH.
    Watch the video.  Go to 1:50.  Then we’ll talk.
    so if you think that Trump's take is "spot on", that the baby is born and THEN they kill it, how are they killing it?

    no licensed physician who wants to practice medicine would ever "abort" a fetus while the mother is giving birth. 

    I do not, however, agree with aborting a fetus in the latter stages because of "mental harm". that opens way too many doors. 
    No, I agree that he was spot on as far as saying exactly what blackface said.  I don’t think it happens, not sure the confusion here.  Blackface was asked about what kathy Tran said, he confirmed that the bill was to include abortions of babies after they were born.  Trump tweeted what he said.  Do I think they are performing post birth abortions? No.  Do I think that her testimony shows that they would be included in that bill (which was voted down)? Yes, that’s what she said.
    Why don't you refer to the Potus as a pussy grabber?  You must think blackface in 1984 is worse than sexually assaulting a woman today.  Your morals are really fucked up.  
    Because that’s something he said.  This dude did it, and is in a picture with his face painted black next to a dude in a kkk outfit.  I know you don’t want to admit it, but people say fucked up shit all the time.  Sucks for him it was recorded, but friends of mine and myself say worse shit every day to each other to get a laugh.

    not defending trump in this regard, just saying, get me a photo of him grabbing a pussy and I’ll call him a pussy grabber, no question.
    Ha! So you don't think he actually made a practice of aggressively coming onto women over the years,  whether they wanted it or not? Jesus,  are you naive or daft. 

    For the record,  Northam denied it was him.  So I guess you should edit your post.
    Name a man in power these days who hasn’t! That’s what they all do, they’re all dirtbags, I won’t defend any of them.  Just saying, dude has a pee tape of him in blackface.  Deny deny, but he got made.
    Obama.  Kaine.  Bush. 

    Obama is a dirt bag,  eh? Okay,  whatever is necessary to normalize Trump and your vote. 
    Jesus bro, relax, why are you so mad? Lol.  I rationalize my vote by a good economy. I don’t read about what trump wears, rarely ever what he tweets.  Things are going really well for me and that’s a good thing. If you let yourself get mad all the time over stupid stuff that doesn’t affect you, you’re fighting a losing battle.  Just worry about the stuff you can do something about.  Life’s too short to sweat the small stuff.
    How do they it say it in the gun thread again? Oh yeah, thoughts and prayers to your naivety. You're me first and always attitude is the standard Trump voter. If only there was a way for instant karma to come and knock you right on the head...
    So you know, I’ve never gotten a penny from anyone.  I started with nothing, have never had health care, and paid for my entire bachelors degree and masters degrees with my own money.  I believe in busting your ass, not free shit for lazy people. 
    Similar to Trumps story. Also a self-made man. If you just had added you got a "tiny, little, almost nonexistent, supersmall loan" from your father. :P

    EDIT: To clarify. A jokes on trumps expense. Not yours.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,599
    tbergs said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Look, there is no such thing an abortion being performed on a live fetus when the mother is about to give birth. That is called CHILDBIRTH.
    Watch the video.  Go to 1:50.  Then we’ll talk.
    so if you think that Trump's take is "spot on", that the baby is born and THEN they kill it, how are they killing it?

    no licensed physician who wants to practice medicine would ever "abort" a fetus while the mother is giving birth. 

    I do not, however, agree with aborting a fetus in the latter stages because of "mental harm". that opens way too many doors. 
    No, I agree that he was spot on as far as saying exactly what blackface said.  I don’t think it happens, not sure the confusion here.  Blackface was asked about what kathy Tran said, he confirmed that the bill was to include abortions of babies after they were born.  Trump tweeted what he said.  Do I think they are performing post birth abortions? No.  Do I think that her testimony shows that they would be included in that bill (which was voted down)? Yes, that’s what she said.
    Why don't you refer to the Potus as a pussy grabber?  You must think blackface in 1984 is worse than sexually assaulting a woman today.  Your morals are really fucked up.  
    Because that’s something he said.  This dude did it, and is in a picture with his face painted black next to a dude in a kkk outfit.  I know you don’t want to admit it, but people say fucked up shit all the time.  Sucks for him it was recorded, but friends of mine and myself say worse shit every day to each other to get a laugh.

    not defending trump in this regard, just saying, get me a photo of him grabbing a pussy and I’ll call him a pussy grabber, no question.
    Ha! So you don't think he actually made a practice of aggressively coming onto women over the years,  whether they wanted it or not? Jesus,  are you naive or daft. 

    For the record,  Northam denied it was him.  So I guess you should edit your post.
    Name a man in power these days who hasn’t! That’s what they all do, they’re all dirtbags, I won’t defend any of them.  Just saying, dude has a pee tape of him in blackface.  Deny deny, but he got made.
    Obama.  Kaine.  Bush. 

    Obama is a dirt bag,  eh? Okay,  whatever is necessary to normalize Trump and your vote. 
    Jesus bro, relax, why are you so mad? Lol.  I rationalize my vote by a good economy. I don’t read about what trump wears, rarely ever what he tweets.  Things are going really well for me and that’s a good thing. If you let yourself get mad all the time over stupid stuff that doesn’t affect you, you’re fighting a losing battle.  Just worry about the stuff you can do something about.  Life’s too short to sweat the small stuff.
    How do they it say it in the gun thread again? Oh yeah, thoughts and prayers to your naivety. You're me first and always attitude is the standard Trump voter. If only there was a way for instant karma to come and knock you right on the head...
    So you know, I’ve never gotten a penny from anyone.  I started with nothing, have never had health care, and paid for my entire bachelors degree and masters degrees with my own money.  I believe in busting your ass, not free shit for lazy people.  I own two businesses and two houses, have over 70 employees, and have now had 1 day off in the last year.  So go ahead and attack me with your wishes of me getting  hit in the head. I will never respect laziness.
    laziness, and if you have enough time to call people names and attack them on a band’s website, all you’re doing is being lazy when you could be working.  You tell me I only care about myself but I give away more money in charity to causes for vets and cancer (lots both my rents to cancer when I was in my 20’s) thank you probably ever will.  You don’t impress me.
    thing is, being a white male (correct me if I'm wrong), maybe you didn't have any literal pennies given to you in your quest for success (much respect to you), but you had figurative ones given to you at every turn. part of what people despise about trump, is that he is giving more figurative pennies to the white and the rich. more so the latter. but he doing absolutely nothing to help minorities or those that didn't have the benefits we have "winning the lottery by being born". 
    I am white, yep.  Grew up in a shitty household in a family with 6 kids.  Grew up sharing a bedroom with 3 brothers, moved 5 times by the time I was 11.  Not sure I was given a whole lot by being white.  Went to
    an inner city school where there weren’t too many white kids, always got 
    my ass kicked a lot and kept to myself.  Not sure what privilege I got.  Started washing dishes in a shitty restaurant at 15 and have been on my feet ever since.
    again, I respect all that. I'm not trying to take away from what you have accomplished. I'm just saying you got more than you think you did, most times without probably even knowing it. A woman or minority wouldn't have the same opportunities at every step of the way that you did. You don't think you never got job, or even an interview, based on your gender and colour?

    I'm in Winnipeg. The so-called most racist Canadian city. I can GUARANTEE you that if it was between me and an aboriginal who had the same credentials as me, no DOUBT I had an advantage. Doesn't matter if it was an office job or a dishwashing job at a shitty restaurant (which I have also done). 
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • RoleModelsinBlood31
    RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,242
    tbergs said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Look, there is no such thing an abortion being performed on a live fetus when the mother is about to give birth. That is called CHILDBIRTH.
    Watch the video.  Go to 1:50.  Then we’ll talk.
    so if you think that Trump's take is "spot on", that the baby is born and THEN they kill it, how are they killing it?

    no licensed physician who wants to practice medicine would ever "abort" a fetus while the mother is giving birth. 

    I do not, however, agree with aborting a fetus in the latter stages because of "mental harm". that opens way too many doors. 
    No, I agree that he was spot on as far as saying exactly what blackface said.  I don’t think it happens, not sure the confusion here.  Blackface was asked about what kathy Tran said, he confirmed that the bill was to include abortions of babies after they were born.  Trump tweeted what he said.  Do I think they are performing post birth abortions? No.  Do I think that her testimony shows that they would be included in that bill (which was voted down)? Yes, that’s what she said.
    Why don't you refer to the Potus as a pussy grabber?  You must think blackface in 1984 is worse than sexually assaulting a woman today.  Your morals are really fucked up.  
    Because that’s something he said.  This dude did it, and is in a picture with his face painted black next to a dude in a kkk outfit.  I know you don’t want to admit it, but people say fucked up shit all the time.  Sucks for him it was recorded, but friends of mine and myself say worse shit every day to each other to get a laugh.

    not defending trump in this regard, just saying, get me a photo of him grabbing a pussy and I’ll call him a pussy grabber, no question.
    Ha! So you don't think he actually made a practice of aggressively coming onto women over the years,  whether they wanted it or not? Jesus,  are you naive or daft. 

    For the record,  Northam denied it was him.  So I guess you should edit your post.
    Name a man in power these days who hasn’t! That’s what they all do, they’re all dirtbags, I won’t defend any of them.  Just saying, dude has a pee tape of him in blackface.  Deny deny, but he got made.
    Obama.  Kaine.  Bush. 

    Obama is a dirt bag,  eh? Okay,  whatever is necessary to normalize Trump and your vote. 
    Jesus bro, relax, why are you so mad? Lol.  I rationalize my vote by a good economy. I don’t read about what trump wears, rarely ever what he tweets.  Things are going really well for me and that’s a good thing. If you let yourself get mad all the time over stupid stuff that doesn’t affect you, you’re fighting a losing battle.  Just worry about the stuff you can do something about.  Life’s too short to sweat the small stuff.
    How do they it say it in the gun thread again? Oh yeah, thoughts and prayers to your naivety. You're me first and always attitude is the standard Trump voter. If only there was a way for instant karma to come and knock you right on the head...
    So you know, I’ve never gotten a penny from anyone.  I started with nothing, have never had health care, and paid for my entire bachelors degree and masters degrees with my own money.  I believe in busting your ass, not free shit for lazy people.  I own two businesses and two houses, have over 70 employees, and have now had 1 day off in the last year.  So go ahead and attack me with your wishes of me getting  hit in the head. I will never respect laziness.
    laziness, and if you have enough time to call people names and attack them on a band’s website, all you’re doing is being lazy when you could be working.  You tell me I only care about myself but I give away more money in charity to causes for vets and cancer (lots both my rents to cancer when I was in my 20’s) thank you probably ever will.  You don’t impress me.
    thing is, being a white male (correct me if I'm wrong), maybe you didn't have any literal pennies given to you in your quest for success (much respect to you), but you had figurative ones given to you at every turn. part of what people despise about trump, is that he is giving more figurative pennies to the white and the rich. more so the latter. but he doing absolutely nothing to help minorities or those that didn't have the benefits we have "winning the lottery by being born". 
    I am white, yep.  Grew up in a shitty household in a family with 6 kids.  Grew up sharing a bedroom with 3 brothers, moved 5 times by the time I was 11.  Not sure I was given a whole lot by being white.  Went to
    an inner city school where there weren’t too many white kids, always got 
    my ass kicked a lot and kept to myself.  Not sure what privilege I got.  Started washing dishes in a shitty restaurant at 15 and have been on my feet ever since.
    again, I respect all that. I'm not trying to take away from what you have accomplished. I'm just saying you got more than you think you did, most times without probably even knowing it. A woman or minority wouldn't have the same opportunities at every step of the way that you did. You don't think you never got job, or even an interview, based on your gender and colour?

    I'm in Winnipeg. The so-called most racist Canadian city. I can GUARANTEE you that if it was between me and an aboriginal who had the same credentials as me, no DOUBT I had an advantage. Doesn't matter if it was an office job or a dishwashing job at a shitty restaurant (which I have also done). 
    I’m sure you’re right, but I’m not the kind of person to feel bad about the Chan’s I’ve been dealt.  You play the game or you fold.  Making excuses and saying that’s unfair doesn’t get us anywhere.  Talking about white privilege is useless, just work your ass off and save your money, that’s all I did.  If it doesn’t work then it doesn’t work, shouldn’t mean you start blaming other people for your problems, you know?  Isn’t Canada like 75% white by the way? 
    I'm like an opening band for your mom.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    tbergs said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Look, there is no such thing an abortion being performed on a live fetus when the mother is about to give birth. That is called CHILDBIRTH.
    Watch the video.  Go to 1:50.  Then we’ll talk.
    so if you think that Trump's take is "spot on", that the baby is born and THEN they kill it, how are they killing it?

    no licensed physician who wants to practice medicine would ever "abort" a fetus while the mother is giving birth. 

    I do not, however, agree with aborting a fetus in the latter stages because of "mental harm". that opens way too many doors. 
    No, I agree that he was spot on as far as saying exactly what blackface said.  I don’t think it happens, not sure the confusion here.  Blackface was asked about what kathy Tran said, he confirmed that the bill was to include abortions of babies after they were born.  Trump tweeted what he said.  Do I think they are performing post birth abortions? No.  Do I think that her testimony shows that they would be included in that bill (which was voted down)? Yes, that’s what she said.
    Why don't you refer to the Potus as a pussy grabber?  You must think blackface in 1984 is worse than sexually assaulting a woman today.  Your morals are really fucked up.  
    Because that’s something he said.  This dude did it, and is in a picture with his face painted black next to a dude in a kkk outfit.  I know you don’t want to admit it, but people say fucked up shit all the time.  Sucks for him it was recorded, but friends of mine and myself say worse shit every day to each other to get a laugh.

    not defending trump in this regard, just saying, get me a photo of him grabbing a pussy and I’ll call him a pussy grabber, no question.
    Ha! So you don't think he actually made a practice of aggressively coming onto women over the years,  whether they wanted it or not? Jesus,  are you naive or daft. 

    For the record,  Northam denied it was him.  So I guess you should edit your post.
    Name a man in power these days who hasn’t! That’s what they all do, they’re all dirtbags, I won’t defend any of them.  Just saying, dude has a pee tape of him in blackface.  Deny deny, but he got made.
    Obama.  Kaine.  Bush. 

    Obama is a dirt bag,  eh? Okay,  whatever is necessary to normalize Trump and your vote. 
    Jesus bro, relax, why are you so mad? Lol.  I rationalize my vote by a good economy. I don’t read about what trump wears, rarely ever what he tweets.  Things are going really well for me and that’s a good thing. If you let yourself get mad all the time over stupid stuff that doesn’t affect you, you’re fighting a losing battle.  Just worry about the stuff you can do something about.  Life’s too short to sweat the small stuff.
    How do they it say it in the gun thread again? Oh yeah, thoughts and prayers to your naivety. You're me first and always attitude is the standard Trump voter. If only there was a way for instant karma to come and knock you right on the head...
    So you know, I’ve never gotten a penny from anyone.  I started with nothing, have never had health care, and paid for my entire bachelors degree and masters degrees with my own money.  I believe in busting your ass, not free shit for lazy people.  I own two businesses and two houses, have over 70 employees, and have now had 1 day off in the last year.  So go ahead and attack me with your wishes of me getting  hit in the head. I will never respect laziness.
    laziness, and if you have enough time to call people names and attack them on a band’s website, all you’re doing is being lazy when you could be working.  You tell me I only care about myself but I give away more money in charity to causes for vets and cancer (lots both my rents to cancer when I was in my 20’s) thank you probably ever will.  You don’t impress me.
    thing is, being a white male (correct me if I'm wrong), maybe you didn't have any literal pennies given to you in your quest for success (much respect to you), but you had figurative ones given to you at every turn. part of what people despise about trump, is that he is giving more figurative pennies to the white and the rich. more so the latter. but he doing absolutely nothing to help minorities or those that didn't have the benefits we have "winning the lottery by being born". 
    I am white, yep.  Grew up in a shitty household in a family with 6 kids.  Grew up sharing a bedroom with 3 brothers, moved 5 times by the time I was 11.  Not sure I was given a whole lot by being white.  Went to
    an inner city school where there weren’t too many white kids, always got 
    my ass kicked a lot and kept to myself.  Not sure what privilege I got.  Started washing dishes in a shitty restaurant at 15 and have been on my feet ever since.
    again, I respect all that. I'm not trying to take away from what you have accomplished. I'm just saying you got more than you think you did, most times without probably even knowing it. A woman or minority wouldn't have the same opportunities at every step of the way that you did. You don't think you never got job, or even an interview, based on your gender and colour?

    I'm in Winnipeg. The so-called most racist Canadian city. I can GUARANTEE you that if it was between me and an aboriginal who had the same credentials as me, no DOUBT I had an advantage. Doesn't matter if it was an office job or a dishwashing job at a shitty restaurant (which I have also done). 
    I’m sure you’re right, but I’m not the kind of person to feel bad about the Chan’s I’ve been dealt.  You play the game or you fold.  Making excuses and saying that’s unfair doesn’t get us anywhere.  Talking about white privilege is useless, just work your ass off and save your money, that’s all I did.  If it doesn’t work then it doesn’t work, shouldn’t mean you start blaming other people for your problems, you know?  Isn’t Canada like 75% white by the way? 
    Easy to say when you’re the one getting the benefits of the system. 
     
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    The dude just explained he’s worked his ass off for everything he’s accomplished. Why the need to shit all over him? He’s self employed. He didn’t get handed a corner office job because he’s white. These negative comments are ridiculous and disgusting, frankly. 
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,888

    Easy to say when you’re the one getting the benefits of the system. 
     
    But what should a white guy do?  Not work hard?  Turn down a promotion?  This is a vexing argument.  I also come from a very poor background.  I worked through college, got an entry level job at a bank (customer service) and took off from there.  Where I started my career, we had a very diverse population, and it was very gay friendly (extremely so for the late 90's).  There were lots of people of all backgrounds that worked hard, but even more that were lazy.  Didn't do OT, didn't look for new opportunities, etc.  I did and it paid off.  I don't think I need to apologize for that.  I have no idea how much being a white male helped, but maybe it did.  That's hard to quantify.  But what does one do?
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,705
    tbergs said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Look, there is no such thing an abortion being performed on a live fetus when the mother is about to give birth. That is called CHILDBIRTH.
    Watch the video.  Go to 1:50.  Then we’ll talk.
    so if you think that Trump's take is "spot on", that the baby is born and THEN they kill it, how are they killing it?

    no licensed physician who wants to practice medicine would ever "abort" a fetus while the mother is giving birth. 

    I do not, however, agree with aborting a fetus in the latter stages because of "mental harm". that opens way too many doors. 
    No, I agree that he was spot on as far as saying exactly what blackface said.  I don’t think it happens, not sure the confusion here.  Blackface was asked about what kathy Tran said, he confirmed that the bill was to include abortions of babies after they were born.  Trump tweeted what he said.  Do I think they are performing post birth abortions? No.  Do I think that her testimony shows that they would be included in that bill (which was voted down)? Yes, that’s what she said.
    Why don't you refer to the Potus as a pussy grabber?  You must think blackface in 1984 is worse than sexually assaulting a woman today.  Your morals are really fucked up.  
    Because that’s something he said.  This dude did it, and is in a picture with his face painted black next to a dude in a kkk outfit.  I know you don’t want to admit it, but people say fucked up shit all the time.  Sucks for him it was recorded, but friends of mine and myself say worse shit every day to each other to get a laugh.

    not defending trump in this regard, just saying, get me a photo of him grabbing a pussy and I’ll call him a pussy grabber, no question.
    Ha! So you don't think he actually made a practice of aggressively coming onto women over the years,  whether they wanted it or not? Jesus,  are you naive or daft. 

    For the record,  Northam denied it was him.  So I guess you should edit your post.
    Name a man in power these days who hasn’t! That’s what they all do, they’re all dirtbags, I won’t defend any of them.  Just saying, dude has a pee tape of him in blackface.  Deny deny, but he got made.
    Obama.  Kaine.  Bush. 

    Obama is a dirt bag,  eh? Okay,  whatever is necessary to normalize Trump and your vote. 
    Jesus bro, relax, why are you so mad? Lol.  I rationalize my vote by a good economy. I don’t read about what trump wears, rarely ever what he tweets.  Things are going really well for me and that’s a good thing. If you let yourself get mad all the time over stupid stuff that doesn’t affect you, you’re fighting a losing battle.  Just worry about the stuff you can do something about.  Life’s too short to sweat the small stuff.
    How do they it say it in the gun thread again? Oh yeah, thoughts and prayers to your naivety. You're me first and always attitude is the standard Trump voter. If only there was a way for instant karma to come and knock you right on the head...
    So you know, I’ve never gotten a penny from anyone.  I started with nothing, have never had health care, and paid for my entire bachelors degree and masters degrees with my own money.  I believe in busting your ass, not free shit for lazy people.  I own two businesses and two houses, have over 70 employees, and have now had 1 day off in the last year.  So go ahead and attack me with your wishes of me getting  hit in the head. I will never respect laziness.
    laziness, and if you have enough time to call people names and attack them on a band’s website, all you’re doing is being lazy when you could be working.  You tell me I only care about myself but I give away more money in charity to causes for vets and cancer (lots both my rents to cancer when I was in my 20’s) thank you probably ever will.  You don’t impress me.
    thing is, being a white male (correct me if I'm wrong), maybe you didn't have any literal pennies given to you in your quest for success (much respect to you), but you had figurative ones given to you at every turn. part of what people despise about trump, is that he is giving more figurative pennies to the white and the rich. more so the latter. but he doing absolutely nothing to help minorities or those that didn't have the benefits we have "winning the lottery by being born". 
    I am white, yep.  Grew up in a shitty household in a family with 6 kids.  Grew up sharing a bedroom with 3 brothers, moved 5 times by the time I was 11.  Not sure I was given a whole lot by being white.  Went to
    an inner city school where there weren’t too many white kids, always got 
    my ass kicked a lot and kept to myself.  Not sure what privilege I got.  Started washing dishes in a shitty restaurant at 15 and have been on my feet ever since.
    again, I respect all that. I'm not trying to take away from what you have accomplished. I'm just saying you got more than you think you did, most times without probably even knowing it. A woman or minority wouldn't have the same opportunities at every step of the way that you did. You don't think you never got job, or even an interview, based on your gender and colour?

    I'm in Winnipeg. The so-called most racist Canadian city. I can GUARANTEE you that if it was between me and an aboriginal who had the same credentials as me, no DOUBT I had an advantage. Doesn't matter if it was an office job or a dishwashing job at a shitty restaurant (which I have also done). 
    I’m sure you’re right, but I’m not the kind of person to feel bad about the Chan’s I’ve been dealt.  You play the game or you fold.  Making excuses and saying that’s unfair doesn’t get us anywhere.  Talking about white privilege is useless, just work your ass off and save your money, that’s all I did.  If it doesn’t work then it doesn’t work, shouldn’t mean you start blaming other people for your problems, you know?  Isn’t Canada like 75% white by the way? 
    But you of all people should want to help the little guys you know the ones that have similar situation
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,847
    tbergs said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Look, there is no such thing an abortion being performed on a live fetus when the mother is about to give birth. That is called CHILDBIRTH.
    Watch the video.  Go to 1:50.  Then we’ll talk.
    so if you think that Trump's take is "spot on", that the baby is born and THEN they kill it, how are they killing it?

    no licensed physician who wants to practice medicine would ever "abort" a fetus while the mother is giving birth. 

    I do not, however, agree with aborting a fetus in the latter stages because of "mental harm". that opens way too many doors. 
    No, I agree that he was spot on as far as saying exactly what blackface said.  I don’t think it happens, not sure the confusion here.  Blackface was asked about what kathy Tran said, he confirmed that the bill was to include abortions of babies after they were born.  Trump tweeted what he said.  Do I think they are performing post birth abortions? No.  Do I think that her testimony shows that they would be included in that bill (which was voted down)? Yes, that’s what she said.
    Why don't you refer to the Potus as a pussy grabber?  You must think blackface in 1984 is worse than sexually assaulting a woman today.  Your morals are really fucked up.  
    Because that’s something he said.  This dude did it, and is in a picture with his face painted black next to a dude in a kkk outfit.  I know you don’t want to admit it, but people say fucked up shit all the time.  Sucks for him it was recorded, but friends of mine and myself say worse shit every day to each other to get a laugh.

    not defending trump in this regard, just saying, get me a photo of him grabbing a pussy and I’ll call him a pussy grabber, no question.
    Ha! So you don't think he actually made a practice of aggressively coming onto women over the years,  whether they wanted it or not? Jesus,  are you naive or daft. 

    For the record,  Northam denied it was him.  So I guess you should edit your post.
    Name a man in power these days who hasn’t! That’s what they all do, they’re all dirtbags, I won’t defend any of them.  Just saying, dude has a pee tape of him in blackface.  Deny deny, but he got made.
    Obama.  Kaine.  Bush. 

    Obama is a dirt bag,  eh? Okay,  whatever is necessary to normalize Trump and your vote. 
    Jesus bro, relax, why are you so mad? Lol.  I rationalize my vote by a good economy. I don’t read about what trump wears, rarely ever what he tweets.  Things are going really well for me and that’s a good thing. If you let yourself get mad all the time over stupid stuff that doesn’t affect you, you’re fighting a losing battle.  Just worry about the stuff you can do something about.  Life’s too short to sweat the small stuff.
    How do they it say it in the gun thread again? Oh yeah, thoughts and prayers to your naivety. You're me first and always attitude is the standard Trump voter. If only there was a way for instant karma to come and knock you right on the head...
    So you know, I’ve never gotten a penny from anyone.  I started with nothing, have never had health care, and paid for my entire bachelors degree and masters degrees with my own money.  I believe in busting your ass, not free shit for lazy people.  I own two businesses and two houses, have over 70 employees, and have now had 1 day off in the last year.  So go ahead and attack me with your wishes of me getting  hit in the head. I will never respect laziness.
    laziness, and if you have enough time to call people names and attack them on a band’s website, all you’re doing is being lazy when you could be working.  You tell me I only care about myself but I give away more money in charity to causes for vets and cancer (lots both my rents to cancer when I was in my 20’s) thank you probably ever will.  You don’t impress me.
    thing is, being a white male (correct me if I'm wrong), maybe you didn't have any literal pennies given to you in your quest for success (much respect to you), but you had figurative ones given to you at every turn. part of what people despise about trump, is that he is giving more figurative pennies to the white and the rich. more so the latter. but he doing absolutely nothing to help minorities or those that didn't have the benefits we have "winning the lottery by being born". 
    I am white, yep.  Grew up in a shitty household in a family with 6 kids.  Grew up sharing a bedroom with 3 brothers, moved 5 times by the time I was 11.  Not sure I was given a whole lot by being white.  Went to
    an inner city school where there weren’t too many white kids, always got 
    my ass kicked a lot and kept to myself.  Not sure what privilege I got.  Started washing dishes in a shitty restaurant at 15 and have been on my feet ever since.
    again, I respect all that. I'm not trying to take away from what you have accomplished. I'm just saying you got more than you think you did, most times without probably even knowing it. A woman or minority wouldn't have the same opportunities at every step of the way that you did. You don't think you never got job, or even an interview, based on your gender and colour?

    I'm in Winnipeg. The so-called most racist Canadian city. I can GUARANTEE you that if it was between me and an aboriginal who had the same credentials as me, no DOUBT I had an advantage. Doesn't matter if it was an office job or a dishwashing job at a shitty restaurant (which I have also done). 
    I agree white privilege exists, but not in the way that you describe.
    It exists in that when my grandfather had opportunities to get educated and better jobs the blacks did not. It would be foolish to think that does not trickle down to me, that I don't benefit from the advantages my grandparents and beyond had. As a result of that my parents were better off, better educated and had better jobs and then me. I wouldn't deny that.

    But I would say with very high confidence that I, and probably almost no one else, never got a job because I was white. Maybe we got a job because we were better educated, and we were better educated because my grandfather was white, sure. But I never got jobs, handouts, loans, etc directly because I was white.
    On the other hand I have had more than 1 employer openly admit if they have the opportunity to chose between 2 candidates they will always chose the minority. There may be examples like yours, but I believe that is the exception, not the norm in most places.
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,705
    bbiggs said:
    The dude just explained he’s worked his ass off for everything he’s accomplished. Why the need to shit all over him? He’s self employed. He didn’t get handed a corner office job because he’s white. These negative comments are ridiculous and disgusting, frankly. 
    The only thing I question is , why then vote for a man who’s the complete opposite the Baffoon was handed everything on a silver platter ..
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,387
    tbergs said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Look, there is no such thing an abortion being performed on a live fetus when the mother is about to give birth. That is called CHILDBIRTH.
    Watch the video.  Go to 1:50.  Then we’ll talk.
    so if you think that Trump's take is "spot on", that the baby is born and THEN they kill it, how are they killing it?

    no licensed physician who wants to practice medicine would ever "abort" a fetus while the mother is giving birth. 

    I do not, however, agree with aborting a fetus in the latter stages because of "mental harm". that opens way too many doors. 
    No, I agree that he was spot on as far as saying exactly what blackface said.  I don’t think it happens, not sure the confusion here.  Blackface was asked about what kathy Tran said, he confirmed that the bill was to include abortions of babies after they were born.  Trump tweeted what he said.  Do I think they are performing post birth abortions? No.  Do I think that her testimony shows that they would be included in that bill (which was voted down)? Yes, that’s what she said.
    Why don't you refer to the Potus as a pussy grabber?  You must think blackface in 1984 is worse than sexually assaulting a woman today.  Your morals are really fucked up.  
    Because that’s something he said.  This dude did it, and is in a picture with his face painted black next to a dude in a kkk outfit.  I know you don’t want to admit it, but people say fucked up shit all the time.  Sucks for him it was recorded, but friends of mine and myself say worse shit every day to each other to get a laugh.

    not defending trump in this regard, just saying, get me a photo of him grabbing a pussy and I’ll call him a pussy grabber, no question.
    Ha! So you don't think he actually made a practice of aggressively coming onto women over the years,  whether they wanted it or not? Jesus,  are you naive or daft. 

    For the record,  Northam denied it was him.  So I guess you should edit your post.
    Name a man in power these days who hasn’t! That’s what they all do, they’re all dirtbags, I won’t defend any of them.  Just saying, dude has a pee tape of him in blackface.  Deny deny, but he got made.
    Obama.  Kaine.  Bush. 

    Obama is a dirt bag,  eh? Okay,  whatever is necessary to normalize Trump and your vote. 
    Jesus bro, relax, why are you so mad? Lol.  I rationalize my vote by a good economy. I don’t read about what trump wears, rarely ever what he tweets.  Things are going really well for me and that’s a good thing. If you let yourself get mad all the time over stupid stuff that doesn’t affect you, you’re fighting a losing battle.  Just worry about the stuff you can do something about.  Life’s too short to sweat the small stuff.
    How do they it say it in the gun thread again? Oh yeah, thoughts and prayers to your naivety. You're me first and always attitude is the standard Trump voter. If only there was a way for instant karma to come and knock you right on the head...
    So you know, I’ve never gotten a penny from anyone.  I started with nothing, have never had health care, and paid for my entire bachelors degree and masters degrees with my own money.  I believe in busting your ass, not free shit for lazy people.  I own two businesses and two houses, have over 70 employees, and have now had 1 day off in the last year.  So go ahead and attack me with your wishes of me getting  hit in the head. I will never respect laziness.
    laziness, and if you have enough time to call people names and attack them on a band’s website, all you’re doing is being lazy when you could be working.  You tell me I only care about myself but I give away more money in charity to causes for vets and cancer (lots both my rents to cancer when I was in my 20’s) thank you probably ever will.  You don’t impress me.
    thing is, being a white male (correct me if I'm wrong), maybe you didn't have any literal pennies given to you in your quest for success (much respect to you), but you had figurative ones given to you at every turn. part of what people despise about trump, is that he is giving more figurative pennies to the white and the rich. more so the latter. but he doing absolutely nothing to help minorities or those that didn't have the benefits we have "winning the lottery by being born". 
    I am white, yep.  Grew up in a shitty household in a family with 6 kids.  Grew up sharing a bedroom with 3 brothers, moved 5 times by the time I was 11.  Not sure I was given a whole lot by being white.  Went to
    an inner city school where there weren’t too many white kids, always got 
    my ass kicked a lot and kept to myself.  Not sure what privilege I got.  Started washing dishes in a shitty restaurant at 15 and have been on my feet ever since.
    again, I respect all that. I'm not trying to take away from what you have accomplished. I'm just saying you got more than you think you did, most times without probably even knowing it. A woman or minority wouldn't have the same opportunities at every step of the way that you did. You don't think you never got job, or even an interview, based on your gender and colour?

    I'm in Winnipeg. The so-called most racist Canadian city. I can GUARANTEE you that if it was between me and an aboriginal who had the same credentials as me, no DOUBT I had an advantage. Doesn't matter if it was an office job or a dishwashing job at a shitty restaurant (which I have also done). 
    I’m sure you’re right, but I’m not the kind of person to feel bad about the Chan’s I’ve been dealt.  You play the game or you fold.  Making excuses and saying that’s unfair doesn’t get us anywhere.  Talking about white privilege is useless, just work your ass off and save your money, that’s all I did.  If it doesn’t work then it doesn’t work, shouldn’t mean you start blaming other people for your problems, you know?  Isn’t Canada like 75% white by the way? 
    You don't have to feel bad about the cards you've dealt to want to create a future where everyone's hand stands a chance at winning - even if not the game, at least a round here and there. I feel great about my privilege, but I feel strong when I consider my obligation to contribute towards those with less than me.

    And no, we're incredibly diverse by ethnicity (the way our census polls us), which is strongly correlated with skin colour, if access to opportunity must be distilled to that fact. https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2016/dp-pd/hlt-fst/imm/Table.cfm?Lang=E&T=31&Geo=01&SO=4D

     
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,599
    I’m sure you’re right, but I’m not the kind of person to feel bad about the Chan’s I’ve been dealt.  You play the game or you fold.  Making excuses and saying that’s unfair doesn’t get us anywhere.  Talking about white privilege is useless, just work your ass off and save your money, that’s all I did.  If it doesn’t work then it doesn’t work, shouldn’t mean you start blaming other people for your problems, you know?  Isn’t Canada like 75% white by the way? 
    ok, so first you claimed you got nothing handed to you, literally or figuratively.
    then you acknowledge you did but now you don't care about it and it's a waste of time talking about it. 
    now you go back to saying just do what you did and you'll be fine, or if you aren't, it's your own problem. 

    you don't see any issues with that attitude?

    what are "the Chan's"?
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mrussel1 said:

    Easy to say when you’re the one getting the benefits of the system. 
     
    But what should a white guy do?  Not work hard?  Turn down a promotion?  This is a vexing argument.  I also come from a very poor background.  I worked through college, got an entry level job at a bank (customer service) and took off from there.  Where I started my career, we had a very diverse population, and it was very gay friendly (extremely so for the late 90's).  There were lots of people of all backgrounds that worked hard, but even more that were lazy.  Didn't do OT, didn't look for new opportunities, etc.  I did and it paid off.  I don't think I need to apologize for that.  I have no idea how much being a white male helped, but maybe it did.  That's hard to quantify.  But what does one do?
    What do you do? Recognize the reality of the situation and the benefits you’ve accrued with something you had no control over, and be open to the fact that what you’ve experienced isn’t the default. 
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    edited April 2019
    mace1229 said:
    tbergs said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Look, there is no such thing an abortion being performed on a live fetus when the mother is about to give birth. That is called CHILDBIRTH.
    Watch the video.  Go to 1:50.  Then we’ll talk.
    so if you think that Trump's take is "spot on", that the baby is born and THEN they kill it, how are they killing it?

    no licensed physician who wants to practice medicine would ever "abort" a fetus while the mother is giving birth. 

    I do not, however, agree with aborting a fetus in the latter stages because of "mental harm". that opens way too many doors. 
    No, I agree that he was spot on as far as saying exactly what blackface said.  I don’t think it happens, not sure the confusion here.  Blackface was asked about what kathy Tran said, he confirmed that the bill was to include abortions of babies after they were born.  Trump tweeted what he said.  Do I think they are performing post birth abortions? No.  Do I think that her testimony shows that they would be included in that bill (which was voted down)? Yes, that’s what she said.
    Why don't you refer to the Potus as a pussy grabber?  You must think blackface in 1984 is worse than sexually assaulting a woman today.  Your morals are really fucked up.  
    Because that’s something he said.  This dude did it, and is in a picture with his face painted black next to a dude in a kkk outfit.  I know you don’t want to admit it, but people say fucked up shit all the time.  Sucks for him it was recorded, but friends of mine and myself say worse shit every day to each other to get a laugh.

    not defending trump in this regard, just saying, get me a photo of him grabbing a pussy and I’ll call him a pussy grabber, no question.
    Ha! So you don't think he actually made a practice of aggressively coming onto women over the years,  whether they wanted it or not? Jesus,  are you naive or daft. 

    For the record,  Northam denied it was him.  So I guess you should edit your post.
    Name a man in power these days who hasn’t! That’s what they all do, they’re all dirtbags, I won’t defend any of them.  Just saying, dude has a pee tape of him in blackface.  Deny deny, but he got made.
    Obama.  Kaine.  Bush. 

    Obama is a dirt bag,  eh? Okay,  whatever is necessary to normalize Trump and your vote. 
    Jesus bro, relax, why are you so mad? Lol.  I rationalize my vote by a good economy. I don’t read about what trump wears, rarely ever what he tweets.  Things are going really well for me and that’s a good thing. If you let yourself get mad all the time over stupid stuff that doesn’t affect you, you’re fighting a losing battle.  Just worry about the stuff you can do something about.  Life’s too short to sweat the small stuff.
    How do they it say it in the gun thread again? Oh yeah, thoughts and prayers to your naivety. You're me first and always attitude is the standard Trump voter. If only there was a way for instant karma to come and knock you right on the head...
    So you know, I’ve never gotten a penny from anyone.  I started with nothing, have never had health care, and paid for my entire bachelors degree and masters degrees with my own money.  I believe in busting your ass, not free shit for lazy people.  I own two businesses and two houses, have over 70 employees, and have now had 1 day off in the last year.  So go ahead and attack me with your wishes of me getting  hit in the head. I will never respect laziness.
    laziness, and if you have enough time to call people names and attack them on a band’s website, all you’re doing is being lazy when you could be working.  You tell me I only care about myself but I give away more money in charity to causes for vets and cancer (lots both my rents to cancer when I was in my 20’s) thank you probably ever will.  You don’t impress me.
    thing is, being a white male (correct me if I'm wrong), maybe you didn't have any literal pennies given to you in your quest for success (much respect to you), but you had figurative ones given to you at every turn. part of what people despise about trump, is that he is giving more figurative pennies to the white and the rich. more so the latter. but he doing absolutely nothing to help minorities or those that didn't have the benefits we have "winning the lottery by being born". 
    I am white, yep.  Grew up in a shitty household in a family with 6 kids.  Grew up sharing a bedroom with 3 brothers, moved 5 times by the time I was 11.  Not sure I was given a whole lot by being white.  Went to
    an inner city school where there weren’t too many white kids, always got 
    my ass kicked a lot and kept to myself.  Not sure what privilege I got.  Started washing dishes in a shitty restaurant at 15 and have been on my feet ever since.
    again, I respect all that. I'm not trying to take away from what you have accomplished. I'm just saying you got more than you think you did, most times without probably even knowing it. A woman or minority wouldn't have the same opportunities at every step of the way that you did. You don't think you never got job, or even an interview, based on your gender and colour?

    I'm in Winnipeg. The so-called most racist Canadian city. I can GUARANTEE you that if it was between me and an aboriginal who had the same credentials as me, no DOUBT I had an advantage. Doesn't matter if it was an office job or a dishwashing job at a shitty restaurant (which I have also done). 
    I agree white privilege exists, but not in the way that you describe.
    It exists in that when my grandfather had opportunities to get educated and better jobs the blacks did not. It would be foolish to think that does not trickle down to me, that I don't benefit from the advantages my grandparents and beyond had. As a result of that my parents were better off, better educated and had better jobs and then me. I wouldn't deny that.

    But I would say with very high confidence that I, and probably almost no one else, never got a job because I was white. Maybe we got a job because we were better educated, and we were better educated because my grandfather was white, sure. But I never got jobs, handouts, loans, etc directly because I was white.
    On the other hand I have had more than 1 employer openly admit if they have the opportunity to chose between 2 candidates they will always chose the minority. There may be examples like yours, but I believe that is the exception, not the norm in most places.
    You would be wrong with your assertion that you have never gotten a job or other opportunity due to your race. 

    Edit for clarity: I should have said you would be "almost certainly wrong". I don't know your work history. Maybe you've only ever worked for a family business? But if you've been in the competitive job market, your very high confidence is misplaced. Research has shown that, time and time again. 
     
    Post edited by oftenreading on
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,599
    bbiggs said:
    The dude just explained he’s worked his ass off for everything he’s accomplished. Why the need to shit all over him? He’s self employed. He didn’t get handed a corner office job because he’s white. These negative comments are ridiculous and disgusting, frankly. 
    he has worked his ass off. no, he didn't get a corner office because of being white. but he did say he supports trump because of the individual effects of the economy for his own benefit, and he really has no regard for the others that it doesn't affect or affects in a negative way. 

    claiming he worked his ass off and others are lazy being the sole reason he is successful and others are not is incorrect. it is a fact that most of us start the race halfway down the track. no one starts their working life self-employed. he has had opportunities 'lazy people' have not. 

    the criticism is warranted. 
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  • RoleModelsinBlood31
    RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,242
    benjs said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Look, there is no such thing an abortion being performed on a live fetus when the mother is about to give birth. That is called CHILDBIRTH.
    Watch the video.  Go to 1:50.  Then we’ll talk.
    so if you think that Trump's take is "spot on", that the baby is born and THEN they kill it, how are they killing it?

    no licensed physician who wants to practice medicine would ever "abort" a fetus while the mother is giving birth. 

    I do not, however, agree with aborting a fetus in the latter stages because of "mental harm". that opens way too many doors. 
    No, I agree that he was spot on as far as saying exactly what blackface said.  I don’t think it happens, not sure the confusion here.  Blackface was asked about what kathy Tran said, he confirmed that the bill was to include abortions of babies after they were born.  Trump tweeted what he said.  Do I think they are performing post birth abortions? No.  Do I think that her testimony shows that they would be included in that bill (which was voted down)? Yes, that’s what she said.
    Why don't you refer to the Potus as a pussy grabber?  You must think blackface in 1984 is worse than sexually assaulting a woman today.  Your morals are really fucked up.  
    Because that’s something he said.  This dude did it, and is in a picture with his face painted black next to a dude in a kkk outfit.  I know you don’t want to admit it, but people say fucked up shit all the time.  Sucks for him it was recorded, but friends of mine and myself say worse shit every day to each other to get a laugh.

    not defending trump in this regard, just saying, get me a photo of him grabbing a pussy and I’ll call him a pussy grabber, no question.
    Ha! So you don't think he actually made a practice of aggressively coming onto women over the years,  whether they wanted it or not? Jesus,  are you naive or daft. 

    For the record,  Northam denied it was him.  So I guess you should edit your post.
    Name a man in power these days who hasn’t! That’s what they all do, they’re all dirtbags, I won’t defend any of them.  Just saying, dude has a pee tape of him in blackface.  Deny deny, but he got made.
    Obama.  Kaine.  Bush. 

    Obama is a dirt bag,  eh? Okay,  whatever is necessary to normalize Trump and your vote. 
    Jesus bro, relax, why are you so mad? Lol.  I rationalize my vote by a good economy. I don’t read about what trump wears, rarely ever what he tweets.  Things are going really well for me and that’s a good thing. If you let yourself get mad all the time over stupid stuff that doesn’t affect you, you’re fighting a losing battle.  Just worry about the stuff you can do something about.  Life’s too short to sweat the small stuff.
    not so sure the economy is significantly better under trump by himself that it was under obama.

    my sense is its a continuation that saw a real bump with threats of tariffs coming.

    I drive a truck for a living. I made .603cpm first quarter last year. grossed just under 20k. by a couple hundred dollars.

    THIS year I make .674cpm and saw just over 20k gross in the 1st quarter. by a couple hundred dollars.

    so based on a 125k miles driven year that raise should translate to just north of 7k per year extra  So far its not. tell me again how great the economy is?
    The poster above just stated that things are going well for him, that the economy is the only determinant of a good or bad President, and where the economy isn't helping others, he doesn't care. That's the kind of person who's not going to be swayed by any goodwill based argument, nor any other except his own financial challenges (which to be clear, I hope don't develop, but I suspect will based on factors out of his control but within his President's). 

    RoleModelsinBlood31, out of curiosity, has there ever been a time for you where anything other than the economy was an important pursuit from a POTUS? I can respect that everyone has different priorities, and some weight many things materially, others say that these one or two issues matter a great deal. 
    Of course.  I’m pretty liberal socially but conservative fiscally.  When I heard him say he wanted to build a wall back a few years ago I thought it was a great idea, same with bussing them to sanctuary cities.  As far as abortion, I’m pro choice, I own a few guns but rarely ever even go to a range anymore.  Politics pretty much rules by fear I find, both sides just scare their bases with fake threats and nothing really changes.  The only thing that really has ever affected me personally was/is the economy, so that’s important to me.  The environment is as well, I don’t see it as apocalyptic as many do but I try to do my part and have all the water barrels and solar panels and all that stuff that I can.  Anyway, these are all broken thoughts, sorry, I’m busy as usual so I just add a thought here and there when I can come back
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
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    I, for one, outside of high school have always worked under women bosses and was in the minority regarding gender/race in the particular field.  The boss I work under now is a female and a minority.  I didn’t realize I was hired due to my white manliness all along.  Oh, the overwhelming white guiltiness!
    I recognize many aspects of privilege in other aspects of society, and overall, but don’t be a dick to someone who pulled himself up from poverty.  Still plenty of homeless white men last time I checked, too bad they didn’t just ride the easy white privilege train...
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,847
    mace1229 said:
    again, I respect all that. I'm not trying to take away from what you have accomplished. I'm just saying you got more than you think you did, most times without probably even knowing it. A woman or minority wouldn't have the same opportunities at every step of the way that you did. You don't think you never got job, or even an interview, based on your gender and colour?

    I'm in Winnipeg. The so-called most racist Canadian city. I can GUARANTEE you that if it was between me and an aboriginal who had the same credentials as me, no DOUBT I had an advantage. Doesn't matter if it was an office job or a dishwashing job at a shitty restaurant (which I have also done). 
    I agree white privilege exists, but not in the way that you describe.
    It exists in that when my grandfather had opportunities to get educated and better jobs the blacks did not. It would be foolish to think that does not trickle down to me, that I don't benefit from the advantages my grandparents and beyond had. As a result of that my parents were better off, better educated and had better jobs and then me. I wouldn't deny that.

    But I would say with very high confidence that I, and probably almost no one else, never got a job because I was white. Maybe we got a job because we were better educated, and we were better educated because my grandfather was white, sure. But I never got jobs, handouts, loans, etc directly because I was white.
    On the other hand I have had more than 1 employer openly admit if they have the opportunity to chose between 2 candidates they will always chose the minority. There may be examples like yours, but I believe that is the exception, not the norm in most places.
    You would be wrong with your assertion that you have never gotten a job or other opportunity due to your race. 

    Edit for clarity: I should have said you would be "almost certainly wrong". I don't know your work history. Maybe you've only ever worked for a family business? But if you've been in the competitive job market, your very high confidence is misplaced. Research has shown that, time and time again. 
     
    I worked for a small family business in college of about 3 (non-family) employees, the other 2 were Hispanic. I've worked at 3 schools since then, 2 of those schools have openly said they prefer to hire minorities over whites when given the chance.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,599
    edited April 2019
    PJPOWER said:
    I, for one, outside of high school have always worked under women bosses and was in the minority regarding gender/race in the particular field.  The boss I work under now is a female and a minority.  I didn’t realize I was hired due to my white manliness all along.  Oh, the overwhelming white guiltiness!
    it's obviously not 100%. it's just highly likely that at some point in your life, and most likely multiple times, you have experienced it. 

    I would really like to know where this "white guilt" saying came from. no one is saying anyone needs to feel guilty about it. just acknowledge it and act accordingly. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,888
    mrussel1 said:

    Easy to say when you’re the one getting the benefits of the system. 
     
    But what should a white guy do?  Not work hard?  Turn down a promotion?  This is a vexing argument.  I also come from a very poor background.  I worked through college, got an entry level job at a bank (customer service) and took off from there.  Where I started my career, we had a very diverse population, and it was very gay friendly (extremely so for the late 90's).  There were lots of people of all backgrounds that worked hard, but even more that were lazy.  Didn't do OT, didn't look for new opportunities, etc.  I did and it paid off.  I don't think I need to apologize for that.  I have no idea how much being a white male helped, but maybe it did.  That's hard to quantify.  But what does one do?
    What do you do? Recognize the reality of the situation and the benefits you’ve accrued with something you had no control over, and be open to the fact that what you’ve experienced isn’t the default. 
    I already do that.  I also vote liberal.  I think it was Mace that said the legacy effect is real, and I completely agree with that.  It wasn't my situation since my dad was an immigrant, and died poor, but I can see how that legacy money really makes a difference.  
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