ISIS Fighters and their wives?

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

oftenreading said:

Shamima Begum left the UK at 15, along with two of her school friends, to join the Islamic State and was married to an ISIS fighter, a Dutch national. She had three children, all of whom died in infancy, the most recent only a few days ago at the age of 3 weeks, in a refugee camp. The UK had stripped her of citizenship and refused to allow her to return. It's been a major and contentious story in the UK. 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/mar/09/sajid-javid-denounced-shamima-begums-baby-dies-syria

Hmmm. Tough one. 

I have questions (and not necessarily for you given you wouldn't answer them anyways).

How did radicalization occur? At 15, how did she develop the mentality to leave the UK in pursuit of supporting the Islamic State?

Within her religious community, I'm assuming she came from a place of 'peace' and evolved to 'extremist'. Would that not be the natural progression unless she was borne into an extremist existence and had no need for adapting to such a doctrine?  

I already answered your first question by posting a link, and yet here you are complaining that I won't answer your questions. My, aren't you a little ray of sunshine to everyone this morning. 

Meltdown99 said:

oftenreading said:

Shamima Begum left the UK at 15, along with two of her school friends, to join the Islamic State and was married to an ISIS fighter, a Dutch national. She had three children, all of whom died in infancy, the most recent only a few days ago at the age of 3 weeks, in a refugee camp. The UK had stripped her of citizenship and refused to allow her to return. It's been a major and contentious story in the UK. 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/mar/09/sajid-javid-denounced-shamima-begums-baby-dies-syria

I followed the storey.  I approve of what the UK has done.  She is 15, she knew what she was doing...

I’m not sure that any of us know what we’re doing at 15. She seems to hold the same views now, but of course she’s also been immersed in them for the last four years. 

What is your lower limit for “knowing what you’re doing”? 14? 12? 10? I had a 15 year old - they are fairly  unrealistic about the world. 

Here in Canada criminal responsibility kicks in at age 12, by which point I certainly knew it was wrong to kill people, among other wrongdoings, so I have no issue holding these people responsible for their actions.  They want to prove they're rehabilitated, they can do it the way I did as a young offender at 14:  plead guilty to your crimes and do the punishment, then keep your nose clean.

oftenreading said:

There is a reason we have a youth justice system; it recognizes that youth do not have the same cognitive abilities and, consequently, legal culpability as adults. 

Agreed, however there still need to be consequences for one's actions, and the Young Offenders Act (or whatever it's called now) does allow for prosecution as an adult for the most egregious offenders.

oftenreading said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

oftenreading said:

Shamima Begum left the UK at 15, along with two of her school friends, to join the Islamic State and was married to an ISIS fighter, a Dutch national. She had three children, all of whom died in infancy, the most recent only a few days ago at the age of 3 weeks, in a refugee camp. The UK had stripped her of citizenship and refused to allow her to return. It's been a major and contentious story in the UK. 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/mar/09/sajid-javid-denounced-shamima-begums-baby-dies-syria

Hmmm. Tough one. 

I have questions (and not necessarily for you given you wouldn't answer them anyways).

How did radicalization occur? At 15, how did she develop the mentality to leave the UK in pursuit of supporting the Islamic State?

Within her religious community, I'm assuming she came from a place of 'peace' and evolved to 'extremist'. Would that not be the natural progression unless she was borne into an extremist existence and had no need for adapting to such a doctrine?  

I already answered your first question by posting a link, and yet here you are complaining that I won't answer your questions. My, aren't you a little ray of sunshine to everyone this morning. 

People are free to choose their levels of engagement and participation around here, but come on, man... it's pretty obvious I'm on your virtual ignore list.
 
Thanks for the link and story. I've seriously never heard of it before. I don't know where I'm at with it. On one hand... 15. On the other hand... well... no need to state the obvious.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

oftenreading said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

oftenreading said:

Shamima Begum left the UK at 15, along with two of her school friends, to join the Islamic State and was married to an ISIS fighter, a Dutch national. She had three children, all of whom died in infancy, the most recent only a few days ago at the age of 3 weeks, in a refugee camp. The UK had stripped her of citizenship and refused to allow her to return. It's been a major and contentious story in the UK. 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/mar/09/sajid-javid-denounced-shamima-begums-baby-dies-syria

Hmmm. Tough one. 

I have questions (and not necessarily for you given you wouldn't answer them anyways).

How did radicalization occur? At 15, how did she develop the mentality to leave the UK in pursuit of supporting the Islamic State?

Within her religious community, I'm assuming she came from a place of 'peace' and evolved to 'extremist'. Would that not be the natural progression unless she was borne into an extremist existence and had no need for adapting to such a doctrine?  

I already answered your first question by posting a link, and yet here you are complaining that I won't answer your questions. My, aren't you a little ray of sunshine to everyone this morning. 

People are free to choose their levels of engagement and participation around here, but come on, man... it's pretty obvious I'm on your virtual ignore list.
 
Thanks for the link and story. I've seriously never heard of it before. I don't know where I'm at with it. On one hand... 15. On the other hand... well... no need to state the obvious.

I have indeed not responded to many of your posts in the past, for good reason. Today I did, to try to get past that, and we see the result. 

Anyway, life goes on, and this is but a minor part. Have a good Saturday. 

oftenreading said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

oftenreading said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

oftenreading said:

Shamima Begum left the UK at 15, along with two of her school friends, to join the Islamic State and was married to an ISIS fighter, a Dutch national. She had three children, all of whom died in infancy, the most recent only a few days ago at the age of 3 weeks, in a refugee camp. The UK had stripped her of citizenship and refused to allow her to return. It's been a major and contentious story in the UK. 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/mar/09/sajid-javid-denounced-shamima-begums-baby-dies-syria

Hmmm. Tough one. 

I have questions (and not necessarily for you given you wouldn't answer them anyways).

How did radicalization occur? At 15, how did she develop the mentality to leave the UK in pursuit of supporting the Islamic State?

Within her religious community, I'm assuming she came from a place of 'peace' and evolved to 'extremist'. Would that not be the natural progression unless she was borne into an extremist existence and had no need for adapting to such a doctrine?  

I already answered your first question by posting a link, and yet here you are complaining that I won't answer your questions. My, aren't you a little ray of sunshine to everyone this morning. 

People are free to choose their levels of engagement and participation around here, but come on, man... it's pretty obvious I'm on your virtual ignore list.
 
Thanks for the link and story. I've seriously never heard of it before. I don't know where I'm at with it. On one hand... 15. On the other hand... well... no need to state the obvious.

I have indeed not responded to many of your posts in the past, for good reason. Today I did, to try to get past that, and we see the result. 

Anyway, life goes on, and this is but a minor part. Have a good Saturday. 

I guess I'm unloveable lol.

Have a good Saturday yourself. If it means anything to you... I'm drinking a Vancouver Island based Shipwreck IPA and staring at the vacuum cleaner that needs to turn on (I cross country skied earlier though!). Sooo... I'm supporting your local economy.

Maybe Shamima wasn't the innocent victim she'd like everyone to believe? Common sense would seem to indicate that the bold move to join the ISIS ranks would have been enough to understand her complicity (we are supposed to believe she travelled there just to be a housewife?). According to reports, she was a member of the 'hisba' (which enforces Islamic Law) and reportedly carried an automatic weapon as well as stitched suicide bombers into explosive vests.  

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/shamima-begum-was-member-of-feared-isis-morality-police-in-syria/ar-BBVV0FQ?ocid=spartanntp