Brothers say Jussie Smollett paid them to carry out alleged attack: sources

PJ_Soul · February 2019

oftenreading said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

jeffbr said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

https://www.wthr.com/article/police-smollett-suspected-lying-about-attack

Now he's screwed.....

He deserves to be charged for falsifying a report to police. What a fucking loser.

Yup. If he's indicted by the grand jury, charged and found guilty, the LBGQT community should vilify him. This type of behavior is super harmful to real, future victims who's claims may be doubted. I also hope it causes him to be shit canned from Empire. He did it for publicity. Well, he got some publicity. And I hope he's rewarded with a career change. Maybe Subway will hire him. They got some press out of this.

This will cause pause in any new hate, racist, gay crime that comes up next.

He single handed served hate mongers a W on a silver platter.

Ummmmm pause is good. We should wait before reacting. Common folk and celebrities alike could use a more - wait till we learn more approach

Any time I try to say that when someone is accused of sexual misconduct, and get absolutely torn apart by most people on social media. I also got torn apart about it with this issue - when I said (elsewhere) that I wanted to wait and hear more once the Chicago media started running with the fake attack story, fucking everybody dog piled on me for being unwilling to admit the truth or whatever.

I can’t even recall where we discussed it before. Which thread was it in? Obviously not this one.

No, I meant elsewhere as in not on the PJ boards. My point being, a LOT of people do not at all react well to the idea of waiting for all the info before reacting/judging ... I see this as a particularly American thing though. From what I can tell, Canadians tend to be much better at waiting for the facts (that includes the Canadian news media vs American news media).

oftenreading · February 2019

PJ_Soul said:

oftenreading said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

jeffbr said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

https://www.wthr.com/article/police-smollett-suspected-lying-about-attack

Now he's screwed.....

He deserves to be charged for falsifying a report to police. What a fucking loser.

Yup. If he's indicted by the grand jury, charged and found guilty, the LBGQT community should vilify him. This type of behavior is super harmful to real, future victims who's claims may be doubted. I also hope it causes him to be shit canned from Empire. He did it for publicity. Well, he got some publicity. And I hope he's rewarded with a career change. Maybe Subway will hire him. They got some press out of this.

This will cause pause in any new hate, racist, gay crime that comes up next.

He single handed served hate mongers a W on a silver platter.

Ummmmm pause is good. We should wait before reacting. Common folk and celebrities alike could use a more - wait till we learn more approach

Any time I try to say that when someone is accused of sexual misconduct, and get absolutely torn apart by most people on social media. I also got torn apart about it with this issue - when I said (elsewhere) that I wanted to wait and hear more once the Chicago media started running with the fake attack story, fucking everybody dog piled on me for being unwilling to admit the truth or whatever.

I can’t even recall where we discussed it before. Which thread was it in? Obviously not this one.

No, I meant elsewhere as in not on the PJ boards. My point being, a LOT of people do not at all react well to the idea of waiting for all the info before reacting/judging ... I see this as a particularly American thing though. From what I can tell, Canadians tend to be much better at waiting for the facts (that includes the Canadian news media vs American news media).

Ah, got it. I had assumed we had discussed it when first reported but I couldn’t find any mention when I searched.

Meltdown99 · February 2019

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I thought this story was fabricated...lol

PJ_Soul · February 2019

Not sure if this has been mentioned already, but it's been discovered that there are text messages between Smollett and the brothers, who work as trainers, showing that the $3500 was actually for them to work for him as personal trainers so he could lose weight for some photo shoot. So possible proof that he in fact did NOT pay them to attack him. Of course, that could have been a pre-planned cover up or something, or maybe they just did it for free as a favour and also paid them for personal training, but the point is that such evidence could certainly create reasonable doubt in court.

my2hands · February 2019

PJ_Soul said:

oftenreading said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

jeffbr said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

https://www.wthr.com/article/police-smollett-suspected-lying-about-attack

Now he's screwed.....

He deserves to be charged for falsifying a report to police. What a fucking loser.

Yup. If he's indicted by the grand jury, charged and found guilty, the LBGQT community should vilify him. This type of behavior is super harmful to real, future victims who's claims may be doubted. I also hope it causes him to be shit canned from Empire. He did it for publicity. Well, he got some publicity. And I hope he's rewarded with a career change. Maybe Subway will hire him. They got some press out of this.

This will cause pause in any new hate, racist, gay crime that comes up next.

He single handed served hate mongers a W on a silver platter.

Ummmmm pause is good. We should wait before reacting. Common folk and celebrities alike could use a more - wait till we learn more approach

Any time I try to say that when someone is accused of sexual misconduct, and get absolutely torn apart by most people on social media. I also got torn apart about it with this issue - when I said (elsewhere) that I wanted to wait and hear more once the Chicago media started running with the fake attack story, fucking everybody dog piled on me for being unwilling to admit the truth or whatever.

I can’t even recall where we discussed it before. Which thread was it in? Obviously not this one.

No, I meant elsewhere as in not on the PJ boards. My point being, a LOT of people do not at all react well to the idea of waiting for all the info before reacting/judging ... I see this as a particularly American thing though. From what I can tell, Canadians tend to be much better at waiting for the facts (that includes the Canadian news media vs American news media).

Particularly American thing? Canadians tend to be better?

Got any data?

You holier than thou Canadians are hilarious

PJ_Soul · February 2019

my2hands said:

PJ_Soul said:

oftenreading said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

jeffbr said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

https://www.wthr.com/article/police-smollett-suspected-lying-about-attack

Now he's screwed.....

He deserves to be charged for falsifying a report to police. What a fucking loser.

Yup. If he's indicted by the grand jury, charged and found guilty, the LBGQT community should vilify him. This type of behavior is super harmful to real, future victims who's claims may be doubted. I also hope it causes him to be shit canned from Empire. He did it for publicity. Well, he got some publicity. And I hope he's rewarded with a career change. Maybe Subway will hire him. They got some press out of this.

This will cause pause in any new hate, racist, gay crime that comes up next.

He single handed served hate mongers a W on a silver platter.

Ummmmm pause is good. We should wait before reacting. Common folk and celebrities alike could use a more - wait till we learn more approach

Any time I try to say that when someone is accused of sexual misconduct, and get absolutely torn apart by most people on social media. I also got torn apart about it with this issue - when I said (elsewhere) that I wanted to wait and hear more once the Chicago media started running with the fake attack story, fucking everybody dog piled on me for being unwilling to admit the truth or whatever.

I can’t even recall where we discussed it before. Which thread was it in? Obviously not this one.

No, I meant elsewhere as in not on the PJ boards. My point being, a LOT of people do not at all react well to the idea of waiting for all the info before reacting/judging ... I see this as a particularly American thing though. From what I can tell, Canadians tend to be much better at waiting for the facts (that includes the Canadian news media vs American news media).

Particularly American thing? Canadians tend to be better?

Got any data?

You holier than thou Canadians are hilarious

I'm not being holier than thou. It's really what I see as an objective observation, because the American news media does it and leads the population to do it. The Canadian (and others) media tends to be much more careful about that, and the population reacts accordingly more often too. That had been my general observation.

Meltdown99 · February 2019

https://twitter.com/KayaJones/status/1099383809718579201

rustneversleeps · March 2019

my2hands said:

PJ_Soul said:

oftenreading said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

jeffbr said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

https://www.wthr.com/article/police-smollett-suspected-lying-about-attack

Now he's screwed.....

He deserves to be charged for falsifying a report to police. What a fucking loser.

Yup. If he's indicted by the grand jury, charged and found guilty, the LBGQT community should vilify him. This type of behavior is super harmful to real, future victims who's claims may be doubted. I also hope it causes him to be shit canned from Empire. He did it for publicity. Well, he got some publicity. And I hope he's rewarded with a career change. Maybe Subway will hire him. They got some press out of this.

This will cause pause in any new hate, racist, gay crime that comes up next.

He single handed served hate mongers a W on a silver platter.

Ummmmm pause is good. We should wait before reacting. Common folk and celebrities alike could use a more - wait till we learn more approach

Any time I try to say that when someone is accused of sexual misconduct, and get absolutely torn apart by most people on social media. I also got torn apart about it with this issue - when I said (elsewhere) that I wanted to wait and hear more once the Chicago media started running with the fake attack story, fucking everybody dog piled on me for being unwilling to admit the truth or whatever.

I can’t even recall where we discussed it before. Which thread was it in? Obviously not this one.

No, I meant elsewhere as in not on the PJ boards. My point being, a LOT of people do not at all react well to the idea of waiting for all the info before reacting/judging ... I see this as a particularly American thing though. From what I can tell, Canadians tend to be much better at waiting for the facts (that includes the Canadian news media vs American news media).

Particularly American thing? Canadians tend to be better?

Got any data?

You holier than thou Canadians are hilarious

OH CANADA!

cincybearcat · March 2019

PJ_Soul said:

my2hands said:

PJ_Soul said:

oftenreading said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

jeffbr said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

https://www.wthr.com/article/police-smollett-suspected-lying-about-attack

Now he's screwed.....

He deserves to be charged for falsifying a report to police. What a fucking loser.

Yup. If he's indicted by the grand jury, charged and found guilty, the LBGQT community should vilify him. This type of behavior is super harmful to real, future victims who's claims may be doubted. I also hope it causes him to be shit canned from Empire. He did it for publicity. Well, he got some publicity. And I hope he's rewarded with a career change. Maybe Subway will hire him. They got some press out of this.

This will cause pause in any new hate, racist, gay crime that comes up next.

He single handed served hate mongers a W on a silver platter.

Ummmmm pause is good. We should wait before reacting. Common folk and celebrities alike could use a more - wait till we learn more approach

Any time I try to say that when someone is accused of sexual misconduct, and get absolutely torn apart by most people on social media. I also got torn apart about it with this issue - when I said (elsewhere) that I wanted to wait and hear more once the Chicago media started running with the fake attack story, fucking everybody dog piled on me for being unwilling to admit the truth or whatever.

I can’t even recall where we discussed it before. Which thread was it in? Obviously not this one.

No, I meant elsewhere as in not on the PJ boards. My point being, a LOT of people do not at all react well to the idea of waiting for all the info before reacting/judging ... I see this as a particularly American thing though. From what I can tell, Canadians tend to be much better at waiting for the facts (that includes the Canadian news media vs American news media).

Particularly American thing? Canadians tend to be better?

Got any data?

You holier than thou Canadians are hilarious

I'm not being holier than thou. It's really what I see as an objective observation, because the American news media does it and leads the population to do it. The Canadian (and others) media tends to be much more careful about that, and the population reacts accordingly more often too. That had been my general observation.

Objective observation? Hahahahaha. Now my objective observation is that you are not an objective observer.

It is strange to me when we are suppose to gang up on a poster that makes comments like these and when we are suppose to pile on in agreement. Can someone please send me the new fan club AMT user rules?

Meltdown99 · March 2019

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

my2hands said:

PJ_Soul said:

oftenreading said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

jeffbr said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

https://www.wthr.com/article/police-smollett-suspected-lying-about-attack

Now he's screwed.....

He deserves to be charged for falsifying a report to police. What a fucking loser.

Yup. If he's indicted by the grand jury, charged and found guilty, the LBGQT community should vilify him. This type of behavior is super harmful to real, future victims who's claims may be doubted. I also hope it causes him to be shit canned from Empire. He did it for publicity. Well, he got some publicity. And I hope he's rewarded with a career change. Maybe Subway will hire him. They got some press out of this.

This will cause pause in any new hate, racist, gay crime that comes up next.

He single handed served hate mongers a W on a silver platter.

Ummmmm pause is good. We should wait before reacting. Common folk and celebrities alike could use a more - wait till we learn more approach

Any time I try to say that when someone is accused of sexual misconduct, and get absolutely torn apart by most people on social media. I also got torn apart about it with this issue - when I said (elsewhere) that I wanted to wait and hear more once the Chicago media started running with the fake attack story, fucking everybody dog piled on me for being unwilling to admit the truth or whatever.

I can’t even recall where we discussed it before. Which thread was it in? Obviously not this one.

No, I meant elsewhere as in not on the PJ boards. My point being, a LOT of people do not at all react well to the idea of waiting for all the info before reacting/judging ... I see this as a particularly American thing though. From what I can tell, Canadians tend to be much better at waiting for the facts (that includes the Canadian news media vs American news media).

Particularly American thing? Canadians tend to be better?

Got any data?

You holier than thou Canadians are hilarious

I'm not being holier than thou. It's really what I see as an objective observation, because the American news media does it and leads the population to do it. The Canadian (and others) media tends to be much more careful about that, and the population reacts accordingly more often too. That had been my general observation.

Objective observation? Hahahahaha. Now my objective observation is that you are not an objective observer.

It is strange to me when we are suppose to hang up on a poster that makes comments like these and when we are suppose to pile on in agreement. Can someone please send me the new fan club AMT user rules?

lol

Gern Blansten · March 2019

PJ_Soul said:

Not sure if this has been mentioned already, but it's been discovered that there are text messages between Smollett and the brothers, who work as trainers, showing that the $3500 was actually for them to work for him as personal trainers so he could lose weight for some photo shoot. So possible proof that he in fact did NOT pay them to attack him. Of course, that could have been a pre-planned cover up or something, or maybe they just did it for free as a favour and also paid them for personal training, but the point is that such evidence could certainly create reasonable doubt in court.

yeah the memo portion of the check refers to training....interesting to see where this goes

Gern Blansten · March 2019

Time for some crow eating....would some of you like ketchup?

OnWis97 · March 2019

Gern Blansten said:

Time for some crow eating....would some of you like ketchup?

Why?
(Goes to look)
Oh...charges dropped. (https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2019/03/26/jussie-smollett-charges-dropped/)

Interesting statement here:

“After reviewing all of the facts and circumstances of the case, including Mr. Smollett’s volunteer service in the community and agreement to forfeit his bond to the City of Chicago, we believe this outcome is a just disposition and appropriate resolution to this case,” the Cook County State’s Attorney’s office stated in an email.

My gut reaction was "oh, he's still guilty but he's essentially paid a fine, is not a danger to society, and it's not worth the resources to prosecute this to the full extent. That said, prosecutes and County Attorneys (referred to as State's Attorneys in IL) do not like to admit loss. If he did what he's accused of, then he's getting off easy but I'll live. If not, the guilty label he's going to carry around forever is grossly unfair. I didn't follow it closely enough to even offer an optinion.

mickeyrat · March 2019

lawyer says victims shouldnt be tried in the court of public opinion. agree wholeheartedly, but does that still hold if the victim in a case posts shit to adbook before going to police? or even after?

Meltdown99 · March 2019

He forfeited a $10000 bond, you do not do that if you are innocent...

PJ_Soul · March 2019

I just want to know what changed, if anything. What new evidence came along to make them drop the charges? Or why didn't the DA think they could win the case? If the case wasn't strong enough, why would they have pressed charges in the first place? If nothing changed and there is evidence he committed those crimes, then I want to know why in the world the charges were dropped anyway. As always, I just want the facts/details.

HughFreakingDillon · March 2019

PJ_Soul said:

I just want to know what changed, if anything. What new evidence came along to make them drop the charges? Or why didn't the DA think they could win the case? If the case wasn't strong enough, why would they have pressed charges in the first place? If nothing changed and there is evidence he committed those crimes, then I want to know why in the world the charges were dropped anyway. As always, I just want the facts/details.

maybe the brothers ceased cooperating with authorities.

PJ_Soul · March 2019

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

I just want to know what changed, if anything. What new evidence came along to make them drop the charges? Or why didn't the DA think they could win the case? If the case wasn't strong enough, why would they have pressed charges in the first place? If nothing changed and there is evidence he committed those crimes, then I want to know why in the world the charges were dropped anyway. As always, I just want the facts/details.

maybe the brothers ceased cooperating with authorities.

Maybe. But how much does that matter after their statements are already taken? I'm not sure.

Maybe those texts that showed the payment wasn't for the attack but for personal training suddenly became something the prosecution didn't want to confront in court? Like I said before, that left plenty of room for a reasonable doubt. I just don't get why they wouldn't have made decisions like that before the charges were laid rather than after.

Or maybe some mental health issues with Jesse came to light so they just decided to be nice and not put him through all the shit since he's lost it. Who knows???

Meltdown99 · March 2019

Or maybe it is as simple as the Chicago courts are too backlogged to carry on with this case. And the authorities in Chicago are satisfied that the 10 grand he is forfeiting re-coups some of the cost involving this.

PJ_Soul · March 2019

Meltdown99 said:

Or maybe it is as simple as the Chicago courts are too backlogged to carry on with this case. And the authorities in Chicago are satisfied that the 10 grand he is forfeiting re-coups some of the cost involving this.

I doubt that. With a high profile case, they would normally decide that before charges are laid, not after. And normally wouldn't have that affect it either way. They save that shit for when nobody is paying any attention.

Brothers say Jussie Smollett paid them to carry out alleged attack: sources

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