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mcgruff10 said:My ancestors are Irish and Lithuanian and did it the legal way. Sorry bud I am a rule follower, do it legally and play along the same rules as every other citizen of the country. Does Canada reward illegal citizens with college scholarships?
I never opposed your opinion. I supported it.
Canada does all kinds of ridiculous things. I'm not even going to investigate whether we do or not. I wouldn't be surprised. I'm taking loans to get my kids through university. I'm sure that someone who cannot obtain a loan would likely get money given to them."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
My father came to the country in the 30s. My real last name is Rosul, but he Americanized it to get a job. No one wanted to hire immigrants. All the crap about how Americans welcome legal immigrants is just that..crap. Bo first generations have been welcomed here.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
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The question is whether your Irish and Slavic ancestors would have tried to enter the country illegally. Would they have stayed and starved during the potato famine? Remember we had "open borders" back then.mcgruff10 said:My ancestors are Irish and Lithuanian and did it the legal way. Sorry bud I am a rule follower, do it legally and play along the same rules as every other citizen of the country. Does Canada reward illegal citizens with college scholarships?0 -
Sure why not? They spend it better, that's ROI.mcgruff10 said:Surely you can’t agree with giving money to illegal immigrants before actual citizens?0 -
And they probably need it more....CM189191 said:Sure why not? They spend it better, that's ROI.0 -
Giving it to citizens just perpetuates the cycle of poverty. Definitely better to give to immigrants.CM189191 said:And they probably need it more....0 -
Well they didn’t, all my ancestors passed through Ellis island and did everything legally.mrussel1 said:The question is whether your Irish and Slavic ancestors would have tried to enter the country illegally. Would they have stayed and starved during the potato famine? Remember we had "open borders" back then.
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Legal immigrants sure, illegal....no. Illegal is illegal so why are we awarding anything to illegal?CM189191 said:Giving it to citizens just perpetuates the cycle of poverty. Definitely better to give to immigrants.
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Empathy is being able to understand another's plight. Your ancestors passed legally because the was no illegal. I'm surprised you never pondered it. I know if I was in central america, in the middle of poverty and civil war, I would take the chance to make a better life. Would you? Or would your "rule follower " instincts win the day?mcgruff10 said:Well they didn’t, all my ancestors passed through Ellis island and did everything legally.0 -
Thank god. Imagine if your kid lost funding for College to someone who is in your country illegally??? Yeah not cool. Come to Canada legally. Come to the us legally. Illegal should not be rewarded.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I never opposed your opinion. I supported it.
Canada does all kinds of ridiculous things. I'm not even going to investigate whether we do or not. I wouldn't be surprised. I'm taking loans to get my kids through university. I'm sure that someone who cannot obtain a loan would likely get money given to them.
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Did any of you read the article that was posted? $27MM “cost” or “investment” for $200MM+ or there abouts for revenue from illegal or undocumented immigrants. How do you begin to break the cycle of poverty if you’re going to continue to demonize and punish children for the sins of their parent(s)? Pro life? Please.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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So I love math.Halifax2TheMax said:Did any of you read the article that was posted? $27MM “cost” or “investment” for $200MM+ or there abouts for revenue from illegal or undocumented immigrants. How do you begin to break the cycle of poverty if you’re going to continue to demonize and punish children for the sins of their parent(s)? Pro life? Please.
There are about 4,500,000 illegals/undocumented people in the state of New York.
The srticle says that they paid $155,000,000 in taxes.
Heres the good part.
So if you divide 4.5M into 155M you get?!?
$34 per person...
lets just say that the numbers are off and there are only 1 million people here in ny. Just for fun.
So again divide 1M into 155M and you’ll get?!?
Anybody?!?
$155.00
I love math...
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Yea but they’re not all eligible for the college education benefits and it’s more likely that they pay in and don’t collect the benefits. Further, multiple studies show that immigrants contribute more than they “take.” Simple math is just that, simple. It’s like believing immigration reform legislation is as easy as naming a post office.tempo_n_groove said:So I love math.
There are about 4,500,000 illegals/undocumented people in the state of New York.
The srticle says that they paid $155,000,000 in taxes.
Heres the good part.
So if you divide 4.5M into 155M you get?!?
$34 per person...
lets just say that the numbers are off and there are only 1 million people here in ny. Just for fun.
So again divide 1M into 155M and you’ll get?!?
Anybody?!?
$155.00
I love math...09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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And because all native born people under the age of 18 work and pay taxes? Do the taxes include sales taxes or just income taxes? Does it account for under the table cash payments that end up in the economy? C’mon man, you’re smarter than that.tempo_n_groove said:So I love math.
There are about 4,500,000 illegals/undocumented people in the state of New York.
The srticle says that they paid $155,000,000 in taxes.
Heres the good part.
So if you divide 4.5M into 155M you get?!?
$34 per person...
lets just say that the numbers are off and there are only 1 million people here in ny. Just for fun.
So again divide 1M into 155M and you’ll get?!?
Anybody?!?
$155.00
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As of 2014, 4.4 million immigrants in New York State, half of which are naturalized citizens.
https://www.osc.state.ny.us/reports/immigration/immigration_2016.pdf
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And in Wilbur Ross’ parlance, it’s less than 1/100 of NY State’s GDP, a mere blip, that $27MM. But you know, the other. I suppose you’d also rather spend $100k per year per undocumented in legal and incarceration costs, for deportation and/or prison? Pro life, sure.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Halifax2TheMax said:As of 2014, 4.4 million immigrants in New York State, half of which are naturalized citizens.
https://www.osc.state.ny.us/reports/immigration/immigration_2016.pdf
Halifax2TheMax said:And because all native born people under the age of 18 work and pay taxes? Do the taxes include sales taxes or just income taxes? Does it account for under the table cash payments that end up in the economy? C’mon man, you’re smarter than that.
OK I read the numbers wrong so here goes.. There are NOT 4,500,000 illegal undocumented in NY but 535,000.Halifax2TheMax said:And in Wilbur Ross’ parlance, it’s less than 1/100 of NY State’s GDP, a mere blip, that $27MM. But you know, the other. I suppose you’d also rather spend $100k per year per undocumented in legal and incarceration costs, for deportation and/or prison? Pro life, sure.
So, 535,000 illegal undocumented people, lets say half of them work then so 267,500 people.
Divide that into $155,000,000 and you get $579 per person...
Look, i had this argument before when another article talked about "how much illegals bring in to the economy with taxes" and came up with about the same number.
You ask what taxes? I don't know, the person who writes these articles claiming that the amount they are paying in is good should tell us that. If I can draw a conclusion that they only pay so little then i'm sorry, stop writing articles that say that it is good amount going in to the economy.
Something else that isn't quantified is the amount of extra resources that are used in schools for the ESL kids, the amount of healthcare that is spent on them in care facilities, or how much money they send back to their countries that is never taxed nor spent here.
I'd like to see the money spent on incarceration and deportation spent more wisely and less on it though.
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https://money.cnn.com/2018/01/02/news/economy/mexico-remittances/index.html
Here's another bad part about illegal immigration (and the need for immigration reform to get more people here legally). That's a lot of $ leaving the US economy and going to Mexico. Imagine if it were spent in the US?
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You are missing the big one...housing. A few months back an article appeared in one of our national newspapers in Canada, wrote an article that stated in Toronto that the influx of Asylum seekers and illegal borders hoppers has made finding affordable housing much harder. Now mind you, I never considered any large city affordable...tempo_n_groove said:OK I read the numbers wrong so here goes.. There are NOT 4,500,000 illegal undocumented in NY but 535,000.
So, 535,000 illegal undocumented people, lets say half of them work then so 267,500 people.
Divide that into $155,000,000 and you get $579 per person...
Look, i had this argument before when another article talked about "how much illegals bring in to the economy with taxes" and came up with about the same number.
You ask what taxes? I don't know, the person who writes these articles claiming that the amount they are paying in is good should tell us that. If I can draw a conclusion that they only pay so little then i'm sorry, stop writing articles that say that it is good amount going in to the economy.
Something else that isn't quantified is the amount of extra resources that are used in schools for the ESL kids, the amount of healthcare that is spent on them in care facilities, or how much money they send back to their countries that is never taxed nor spent here.
I'd like to see the money spent on incarceration and deportation spent more wisely and less on it though.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Agree. If we sytart handing out scholarships just because someone is an immigrant or illegal ,it would be hard to imagine that wouldn't just promote more illegal immigration.mcgruff10 said:Legal immigrants sure, illegal....no. Illegal is illegal so why are we awarding anything to illegal?
As for legal immigrants, they should be treated the same. Not given preference or excluded. I believe you need to be a resident for 2 years to qualify for in-state tuition. It only makes sense to apply that to everyone, not just citizens.0
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