jeff on chris and recording

lexicondevil · January 2019

This makes it even more sad that Chris is gone. The other PJ guys could have put their creative energy towards a new Temple of the Dog record. I do agree that if Ed isn't into it, the other members should find someone else to work with on a side project together. I just can't think of anyone who would work. I haven't been that into the singers Mike has been working with. Most of the great Seattle 90s singers seem to have passed on.

HughFreakingDillon · January 2019

lexicondevil said:

This makes it even more sad that Chris is gone. The other PJ guys could have put their creative energy towards a new Temple of the Dog record. I do agree that if Ed isn't into it, the other members should find someone else to work with on a side project together. I just can't think of anyone who would work. I haven't been that into the singers Mike has been working with. Most of the great Seattle 90s singers seem to have passed on.

Ian Thornley.

stuckinline · January 2019

TheLuckyOnes said:

cincybearcat said:

That sucks. Since Jeff and Stone seem interested...I agree with whoever said go get Neil Young and make Mirrorball 2. I certainly don't want PJ to break up, but I'd love to have an album that Stone and Jeff make together with whoever they want. Maybe Shawn Smith? Whatever...I just want some new music from these guys. I like Jeff's album, but I want more!!!! I know, I'm selfish.

Surprised to find myself agreeing with that idea ... but at this point I definitely do.
I'm the PJ fan that is sick of the merch conversations and chasing, burned out on boots old and new.
I've only seen about ten PJ live shows, which is nothing compared to so many, but a lot compared to average music fan w/their respective favorite band. I'm definitely excited for another show, but less so then ever by far, due both to me ageing and the band ageing.
The only way I'll ever be truly excited over this band again is new quality music. I've given this band my full intention and passion as a fan since 27 years ago now. They don't owe me anything, but if they're done giving then I probably am too. I can't subsist on scraps anymore.

It's quite obvious that Mike and Jeff are the two guys who are really pushing themselves to keep active in music.
Matt put out a solo album last year, so we know he's still creative and in fighting shape.

I had always wondered if Stone was the guy who is least excited about the band for the last decade, but it sounds like he's ready to get at it right now, which is really exciting news to me. I believe this band is at it's best when Stone is guiding the music. Everybody has added classic songs to the bunch, but Stone's riffs and songs have left room for Ed's best vocals and melodies. I'd argue Ed has to be a better singer when singing Stone's songs.

So at this point, as someone who wants real, quality, original heartfelt songs, I'll take as much Jeff and Stone collaboration as I can get.
I'm realistic about the length of time it takes to write, rehearse, edit, record, mix, master, and prepare marketing and artwork for a major Pearl Jam record. I don't want some half-done internet drop, and the band doesn't either. We all want a classic recorded and packaged album.
If Ed isn't feeling like doing music right now, due to family life, charity work, no interest, etc.whatever...then maybe some configuration of the band makes one without him. That sucks, and could effectively end the band..
But It's else that, or he punches the clock, rolls the sleeves up, dive in to the work.

I'm in a band, I've always been in bands. They're messy and full of small tensions and competitions over which path to send the group down...PJ is no different. But they need to get messy for awhile; try,fail, try again. That's how every band knocks out songs they are proud of.

Sounds like they're waiting for him.
I know I am.

Agree with the bolded part.

scalelokt · January 2019

As a musician myself of over 20 years, I can't imagine 6 years going by without releasing quite a bit of music. Of course in all fairness, I dont get recognized anywhere, dont deal with fame, don't leave the family for months on world tours, so there are obvious differences. Still, just as someone who has had music in their life for so long, I can't imagine that amount of time without releasing material. Those of you who are also musicians know what I mean, it's a lifestyle and it's like you have to do it, you have no choice. If I ever went 6 years without much material it would mean something was definitely wrong. If I had to take a guess I'd say they have played all over the world, the biggest venues, entered the hall of fame, a long successful career, etc. Could be Ed is asking himself what more they really have to accomplish at this point that validates time away from family. Also let's face it, Ed is deeply affected by current politics, you can basically gauge if an album will have a happy or melancholy tone based on who is currently in office. Maybe he's so depressed over Trump he doesn't feel like playing music, where as when he was younger he would have been really inspired to make a pissed off album. Who knows, could be something totally different and Im just way off. However with the Christmas single gone, studio album in limbo, hardly any new material for years, not at the CC tribute or TOTD shows, etc. I'd say the focus and interest is slipping away. Very sad. I have hope though, because I know you can't go from being a musician to not being one, no matter how fed up with the life you may be. Sooner or later he'll really miss it and come back.

HughFreakingDillon · January 2019

keep in mind just because they/he haven't released anything, doesn't mean they/he haven't been creative. he did write an entire album (or at least submitted several songs) for the Out of the Furnace soundtrack that weren't used. I'm sure he still writes. But just because he's not releasing things to the public really means nothing.

scalelokt · January 2019

This is very true, and they also did the home shows tour just last year, so I'm not saying he has lost all interest. However there is a definite trend of less and less music over the years. I don't blame them or have any negative feelings about it, they are people just like the rest of us and if he's not feeling a new album right now then that's that. As a fan though, I do hope they get back together and kick some ass

PJ_Soul · January 2019

stuckinline said:

Jammalambo said:

slobberdog68 said:

“Can’t Deny Me,” as a standalone single to coincide with their tour. “Yeah, that was fun,” Gossard says. “I’m glad we got to do that. That was a little bit of a star from one of the ones that we had recorded, so we’re hoping to get some more of that going.”

If this is true, maybe we don't want a new album

Am I reading this right? Does it really mean that was basically the best track coming out from the ones already recorded? Well.. I don't know what to think about it. Or maybe yes, I know, but wouldn't be safe for this forum. Man...

That’s how I read it. Can’t Deny Me is the best track

Disturbing.

HughFreakingDillon · January 2019

scalelokt said:

This is very true, and they also did the home shows tour just last year, so I'm not saying he has lost all interest. However there is a definite trend of less and less music over the years. I don't blame them or have any negative feelings about it, they are people just like the rest of us and if he's not feeling a new album right now then that's that. As a fan though, I do hope they get back together and kick some ass

everyone's creative process is different. me? I'm way more inclined to have that "spark" when I'm actively engaged in a group. I don't know if Ed is the same, but them not being around each other a lot and not releasing much music certainly points to that.

DL136722 · January 2019

Next yr is an election yr, they'll have an album out by then to tour on, no doubt in my mind that's happening. Do you really think they're not going to tour leading up to the 2020 November elections? Especially with everything happening right now in the country. I'm not a betting man but I'd bet my house they're touring with a new album by then.

igotid88 · January 2019

PJ_Soul said:

stuckinline said:

Jammalambo said:

slobberdog68 said:

“Can’t Deny Me,” as a standalone single to coincide with their tour. “Yeah, that was fun,” Gossard says. “I’m glad we got to do that. That was a little bit of a star from one of the ones that we had recorded, so we’re hoping to get some more of that going.”

If this is true, maybe we don't want a new album

Am I reading this right? Does it really mean that was basically the best track coming out from the ones already recorded? Well.. I don't know what to think about it. Or maybe yes, I know, but wouldn't be safe for this forum. Man...

That’s how I read it. Can’t Deny Me is the best track

Disturbing.

Great

prl · January 2019

TheLuckyOnes said:

If Ed isn't feeling like doing music right now, due to family life, charity work, no interest, etc.whatever...then maybe some configuration of the band makes one without him. That sucks, and could effectively end the band..

I don't think that sucks. They've done it before with Neil Young when the whole "Eddie's the new leader of the group, where do we go from here?" unfolded. Neil had the guys join him in studio and together they made a great record, creativity flowed and tensions got reliefed.

At this point where Stone and Jeff want to make and recorsd music, Matt is constantly doing something music related and Mike's all arts, colors and sound this would be the best thing they could do.

HesCalledDyer · January 2019

A couple vaguely worded statements and we've deducted that EV doesn't want to be part of the band. Oh man, this place never fails to disappoint on the doom & gloom factor.

PJNB · January 2019

HesCalledDyer said:

A couple vaguely worded statements and we've deducted that EV doesn't want to be part of the band. Oh man, this place never fails to disappoint on the doom & gloom factor.

It is painful to read isn't it.

tbergs · January 2019

PJNB said:

HesCalledDyer said:

A couple vaguely worded statements and we've deducted that EV doesn't want to be part of the band. Oh man, this place never fails to disappoint on the doom & gloom factor.

It is painful to read isn't it.

If that was the only thing that had been said or non-actions of Eddie and the band, you may have a point, but everything else says otherwise. We don't know the exact reasons, but it seems pretty clear that music isn't a focus right now and hasn't been. Maybe the 10C and PJ should at least get on the same page so we stop getting conflicting information on the band's interest levels in being a band. Yeah, they can do what they want, but it doesn't seem they know what they want and instead we get the 10C dishing out vague statements like a certain WH press secretary. Apparently being a mushroom is fun for us because we're always in the dark and being fed shit.

Rider · January 2019

PJNB said:

HesCalledDyer said:

A couple vaguely worded statements and we've deducted that EV doesn't want to be part of the band. Oh man, this place never fails to disappoint on the doom & gloom factor.

It is painful to read isn't it.

I don't get it? I do not think that the people who expressed moderate concerns about the lack of new music, the ending of the ten club single, the very limited touring, an increased commercialism and the apparent general malaise within the PJ organization based on actual comments from band members and the actual factual lack of output are being cruel or whatever. All of that is true. What becomes of the band from here is still to be determined and I hope it's an awesome rebirth of PJ as a creative force and moral compass for rock or something...........if that is what they want. Right now, I think they are riding on fumes and their previously built good will. And that is a little bit painful to me!

HesCalledDyer · January 2019

tbergs said:

PJNB said:

HesCalledDyer said:

A couple vaguely worded statements and we've deducted that EV doesn't want to be part of the band. Oh man, this place never fails to disappoint on the doom & gloom factor.

It is painful to read isn't it.

If that was the only thing that had been said or non-actions of Eddie and the band, you may have a point, but everything else says otherwise. We don't know the exact reasons, but it seems pretty clear that music isn't a focus right now and hasn't been. Maybe the 10C and PJ should at least get on the same page so we stop getting conflicting information on the band's interest levels in being a band. Yeah, they can do what they want, but it doesn't seem they know what they want and instead we get the 10C dishing out vague statements like a certain WH press secretary. Apparently being a mushroom is fun for us because we're always in the dark and being fed shit.

I get all that. I just find it entertaining that every little tidbit of info we get, regardless of who we get it from or how or where, leads down to someone eventually jumping to the conclusion the band is breaking up/doesn't want to be together/certain members are to blame/etc.

cincybearcat · January 2019

HesCalledDyer said:

tbergs said:

PJNB said:

HesCalledDyer said:

A couple vaguely worded statements and we've deducted that EV doesn't want to be part of the band. Oh man, this place never fails to disappoint on the doom & gloom factor.

It is painful to read isn't it.

If that was the only thing that had been said or non-actions of Eddie and the band, you may have a point, but everything else says otherwise. We don't know the exact reasons, but it seems pretty clear that music isn't a focus right now and hasn't been. Maybe the 10C and PJ should at least get on the same page so we stop getting conflicting information on the band's interest levels in being a band. Yeah, they can do what they want, but it doesn't seem they know what they want and instead we get the 10C dishing out vague statements like a certain WH press secretary. Apparently being a mushroom is fun for us because we're always in the dark and being fed shit.

I get all that. I just find it entertaining that every little tidbit of info we get, regardless of who we get it from or how or where, leads down to someone eventually jumping to the conclusion the band is breaking up/doesn't want to be together/certain members are to blame/etc.

They haven't had an album in how long? They are barely together now!

Based on the comments from Stone and Jeff they want to make music. I was them to make music together. However that gets done, I don't care.

BC62528 · January 2019

Let's give the band, particularly Ed, a break here. At some point a new album will most likely happen, probably in time for a VFC mini tour. Ed is probably finishing up the final touches on the Holiday Singles and that is the reason there has been a delay in the band getting together to record...lol

DEGBTI · January 2019

Ed said at the last concert, Boston, the next time we will play together will be in the studio, or something like that. So you would have to assume he is planning on it, just when is the question.

HesCalledDyer · January 2019

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