No More

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  • ogre1213
    ogre1213 Posts: 402
    no more is getting boring thats all... i would love to hear rise or long nights or tuolomne or guarnteed or setting forth, no more 2 nights in a row at msg is very not cool and boring
    Some die just to live
  • 3inputchick
    3inputchick Posts: 845
    The only reason I tolerate this song is because Ed sounds so damn sexy!
    I really wish he would stop the Obama crap, shut up and sing. Why cant we het a thumbing my way if he wants to sing alone!
    A pessimist is a man who thinks all women are bad. An optimist is one who hopes they are.
  • 395486pj10
    395486pj10 Posts: 95
    12345AGNST1 wrote:
    I like it. I think its a good anti war song. it was stuck in my head the other day and i liked it.


    I agree. I think it's a great, powerful anti-war song. I think it's really important to hear as we are in the midst of an incredibly messed up war. I love the song.
  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    MattyJoe wrote:
    Maybe you should take it more seriously when you join up next time. Of course, it is a horrible thing that people die in war. But you joined up, knowing full well what that meant (at least you should have). You have no right to blame your leaders, they didn't force you to join.

    I'm sorry, I tried but couldn't resist. If Ed's rants are 100% bullshit, there are certainly no more so than this nonsense. Ugh. God. Fuck me if I say something you don't wanna hear.

    Yes, soldiers are just meat to be thrown into whatever strategically unsound grinder our oil-sucking hawks in DC see fit. That's exactly right. You're a champ. Go have a beer and enjoy your day.
  • SheetsOfClay
    SheetsOfClay Posts: 84
    You can be political without using a sledgehammer. Vedder has not yet figured out how to be subtle. That's why No More makes me want to barf.
  • rearviewmiror
    rearviewmiror Posts: 894
    I personally love that song. If you don't like it you're free to disagree. I think that it makes you one of many things, but you have the right to speak your mind.


    Also, complaining about Eddie's activist side in 2008 is an indication that you have not researched the band you are going to see. If you don't like it, he has said befor ethat you are free to leave and disavow PJ.
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  • Come Back in Black
    Come Back in Black Posts: 659
    long red wrote:
    it's an anti-war song, not an anti-bush song. you like war, you brown-person bombing douche bag?

    you are a psycho
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    long red wrote:
    it's an anti-war song, not an anti-bush song.

    No more president's lying ... no more

    To which president do you think he's referring there? Ahminijiad?

    By the way, I've come to a greater appreciation of this song after seeing it live. Yeah, I'd wished he would have played something else the second night, but what the hell?

    The lyrics are simple, sure ... but there are a couple lines that are actually pretty good. "took a bullet in the back for his pay."

    "No more terrorizing" -- or is it "terror rising"? -- It could be either, which is why I love Ed's lyrics.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    SheetsOfClay wrote:
    Vedder has not yet figured out how to be subtle.

    I wonder how I would characterize this...ears of stone, perhaps? And I don't mean Gossard.

    There are often multiple paths to a subject. Some are subtle, others less so.

    This happens to be one of the less subtle.

    Surely you didn't mean to imply that he has no grasp of subtlety in songwriting. Surely. But maybe you did.

    Ah, fuck it. Nevermind.
  • smithnic
    smithnic Posts: 1,565
    I cannot believe the stupidity of people who are still rallying behind a bunch of lies and thinking that we're in Iraq because of terrorists. That is so awesome. It's like when Cartman says that he's so impressed with Rob Reiner how he just pushes people around and makes them do what he says. I'm beyond mad at this point, I'm just impressed.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    Regardless of the political message, it is just a plain crappy song. Ed would help his message if he went back to the drawing board and wrote another political song that didn't make our ears cringe.

    But since 99% of what he writes is awesome, I'm giving him a mulligan.
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  • cropduster
    cropduster Posts: 52
    I_Got_Shit wrote:
    I'm sorry, everyone has a right to their own politics and their own opinions. But you don't get to criticize a veteran who gave his body and probably his life to the war you so stubbornly support. People like Tomas Young and Pat Tillman joined the military to destroy Al Qaeda, and that mission had absolutely nothing to do with Iraq. I'm sure you're all about "supporting the troops", just not the ones with the balls to speak out against the war they returned from.

    You're right that this isn't Vietnam, and I'm proud of the fact that Iraq veterans haven't been subjected to the demonization that returning Vietnam vets faced from anti-war activists at the time. It sounds like you would agree that Vietnam was a mistake. In 2004 another hero who spoke out against that war, John Kerry, had his service record attacked and belittled by a President who never saw combat in his life.

    I didn't think people could stoop any lower than that, but apparently I was wrong. Tomas Young can say whatever the fuck he wants about this war for however long he has left to say it. And people like you are the ones who most need to hear it.

    So when Ed sits down with his acoustic guitar for an encore, I might rather hear Hide Your Love Away, Picture in a Frame or something from ITW. But as long as people like you refuse to acknowledge the truth, as long as you cling to Bush and McCain's pathetic promises of "victory" in Iraq, and until we have a president who will support the troops by bringing them home from this disaster, I hope Ed sings No More at every Pearl Jam show.

    If you don't like it, go home. Or just don't sing along, or don't buy those boots. You can even criticize Ed for his rants, if you need to. But don't ever disrepect Tomas Young's service to this country or his right to speak his mind.


    The fact that folks like you still do not understand why it was critical to conduct regime change in Iraq tells me that you're not truly educating yourselves on matters of counter-terrorism, instruments of national power, and counter-insurgency. I can tell you, as somebody with a master's degree in Counter-terrorism, that going into Iraq was one of the most strategically brilliant moves that Bush could have made. Do you realize how much of a terrorist magnet Iraq became in 2003-2006?? Instead of using their resources to plan attacks in America and Europe, AQI and affiliated groups spent them blwoing up all of Iraq, and in turn, alienating themselves from the very mass base (muslims) they claim to represent. Now you have Sunnis ans Shia working together to form paramilitary and militia groups to root out AQI and their conspirators. Meanwhile, how many terrorsit attacks have there been in the US?

    The problem is, no matter how much this concept is explained to somebody like yourself, you will not be able to see through your hate for bush and his administration....hence you have already made up your mind. Nobody is pro war ok? If you actually believe that this admin LIKES war, you are simply delusional. Please educate yourself and read up on the national strategy for combatting terrorism, the national security strategy, and the national military strategy...........all signed off by a democratic congress in 2006.

    Thanks.
  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    smithnic wrote:
    I cannot believe the stupidity of people who are still rallying behind a bunch of lies and thinking that we're in Iraq because of terrorists. That is so awesome. It's like when Cartman says that he's so impressed with Rob Reiner how he just pushes people around and makes them do what he says. I'm beyond mad at this point, I'm just impressed.

    I'm not quite as good-natured as you, but sometimes I do have to shake my head and laugh to keep myself from going insane.

    Even the most rancid Kool-Aid will find someone to drink it...3 out of 10 someones still, apparently...
  • BLACK FRANK
    BLACK FRANK Posts: 34
    It's a good song. I've only heard it twice so I'm not sick of it yet. But the fact that it's a about a soldier who was critically wounded in Iraq and has all sorts of issues to deal with makes it a little more real. And giving up four minutes of a concert is a small sacrifice to make compared to the sacrifice's he's made. Having been in the first Gulf War there is a certain power to that song. Basically War sucks especially if it was unescesary.
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  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    cropduster wrote:
    I can tell you, as somebody with a master's degree in Counter-terrorism, that going into Iraq was one of the most strategically brilliant moves that Bush could have made.

    And I can tell you, as a former US Army Captain, and as someone who studied tactics, strategy, and military history routinely during a five-year active duty career in the 2nd and 3rd Infantry Divisions (not to mention the four years spent preparing for it), that "strategically brilliant" is quite possibly the very last phrase I would ever chose to describe the Iraq War. Do I still need to educate myself?

    Not surprisingly, the viewpoint you espouse is I'm sure ingrained in the curriculum of this master's degree you tout.
  • meistereder
    meistereder Posts: 1,577
    I happen to like the song, and I actually find it quite catchy. I guess if you disagree with the message, I can see why you would not like the song. But then part of me wonders if you disagree with that message, why do you follow a band that is clearly very liberal, anti-war, environmentally conscious, pro-choice, etc.? Just because they play long shows? Or loud or something? I have never been able to understand why you would follow a band and then not want them to speak between songs and not want them to sing some of their songs because they are too political or whatever. They are a political band. Deal with it or don't listen.
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  • smithnic
    smithnic Posts: 1,565
    Where do you get a degree in counter-terrorism? Obviously somewhere like the military right? Well it would only go to show you that if you graduate from a place that is military-like, then you would follow whatever orders, suggestions, teachings, whatever that you were told and thus, you're ignorant as hell.

    If you know anything about why this dude and his followers hate us, you would know that it stems from our bases in Saudi Arabia and our unilateral support of Israel. Our base is in SA because of the first invasion, and the first invasion was nothing more than oil. If it was because of bad guy Hussein, well there's worse, and if it was for human rights... we suck at human rights, and we're not in the Sudan.

    Again, but the Kool-aid down and get out of here with your bragging about a made up degree
    Go Get 'Em Tigers!
  • j.ro
    j.ro Posts: 111
    I love it. Great song and great message.
    Oh half his life, a hand me down, wasted away
    Of he fills it up, with the love, of a girl...
  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    smithnic wrote:
    Where do you get a degree in counter-terrorism? Obviously somewhere like the military right? Well it would only go to show you that if you graduate from a place that is military-like, then you would follow whatever orders, suggestions, teachings, whatever that you were told and thus, you're ignorant as hell.

    Again, but the Kool-aid down and get out of here with your bragging about a made up degree

    I thought so too but I looked it up and there actually is such a thing, to my surprise...however, I personally would put no stock in the curriculum, as it seems to teach the Iraq War was "strategically brilliant." Hoooo....

    So strategically brilliant that five years and thousands of military and civilian casuaties later there's still no end in sight...
  • I_Got_Shit
    I_Got_Shit Posts: 325
    cropduster wrote:
    The fact that folks like you still do not understand why it was critical to conduct regime change in Iraq tells me that you're not truly educating yourselves on matters of counter-terrorism, instruments of national power, and counter-insurgency. I can tell you, as somebody with a master's degree in Counter-terrorism, that going into Iraq was one of the most strategically brilliant moves that Bush could have made. Do you realize how much of a terrorist magnet Iraq became in 2003-2006?? Instead of using their resources to plan attacks in America and Europe, AQI and affiliated groups spent them blwoing up all of Iraq, and in turn, alienating themselves from the very mass base (muslims) they claim to represent. Now you have Sunnis ans Shia working together to form paramilitary and militia groups to root out AQI and their conspirators. Meanwhile, how many terrorsit attacks have there been in the US?

    The problem is, no matter how much this concept is explained to somebody like yourself, you will not be able to see through your hate for bush and his administration....hence you have already made up your mind. Nobody is pro war ok? If you actually believe that this admin LIKES war, you are simply delusional. Please educate yourself and read up on the national strategy for combatting terrorism, the national security strategy, and the national military strategy...........all signed off by a democratic congress in 2006.

    Thanks.

    First, you have a master's degree in counterterrorism but you didn't know that it's one word, not hyphenated?

    Second, there wasn't a democratic majority in Congress in 2006, because those elected in the fall of '06 didn't take office until January of '07.

    I'd ask the University of Phoenix for my money back if I was you. But good luck getting a sweet office job while the soldiers sacrifice their lives and limbs to support your fucking brilliant strategy.
    *Does not include encore of Garden and Leash.

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