Halifax2TheMax said:

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mcgruff10 said:

I mean we bring up every single time that a gun owner is "responsible until they are not"...why is the amt silent on this one?  this was headline news all the way in new jersey.  

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-police-officer-killed-suspect-arrested-today-2018-12-28-live-updates/

Suspect arrested in killing of California police office

A suspect was arrested in the killing of a California police officer, police said Friday. Newman Police Cpl. Ronil Singh was shot and killed during a traffic stop just hours after Christmas.

 

Gustavo Perez Arriaga was arrested in Bakersfield on Friday as he tried to flee to Mexico, said Stanislaus County Sheriff Adam Christianson, whose agency is leading the investigation. The sheriff told reporters that Perez Arriaga was in the country illegally after crossing the border in Arizona and had two prior arrests for driving while intoxicated.

Christianson didn't say when the 33-year-old came to the U.S. but said that the Mexico native has been living here for several years. The sheriff said Perez Arriaga has gang affiliations and multiple Facebook pages with different names.

Authorities also arrested Perez Arriaga's brother, Adrian Virgen, 25, and a co-worker, Erik Razo Quiroz, 32, who lied to police to try to protect him, Christianson said. Late Friday night, the sheriff's office posted on Facebook that they had also arrested Arriaga's girlfriend, Ana Leyde Cervantes, 30, and his brother,  Conrado Virgen Mendoza, 34. 

The sheriff blamed California's sanctuary law for preventing local authorities from reporting Perez Arriaga to the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency for his previous arrests, adding that if he had been deported, Singh would still be alive.

"This is a criminal illegal alien with prior criminal activity that should have been reported to ICE," Christianson said at a news conference. "We were prohibited, law enforcement was prohibited because of sanctuary laws, and that led to the encounter with Officer Singh. I'm suggesting that the outcome could have been different if law enforcement wasn't restricted, prohibited or had their hands tied because of political interference."

Christianson spoke about making laws stricter as Singh's brother wept beside him. The sheriff said he didn't know if Perez Arriaga had ever been deported.

The sheriff also said that no motive had been established in this week's killing. Singh also was an immigrant, coming legally from his native Fiji to fulfill his dream of becoming a police officer, authorities said.

The 33-year-old had a newborn son and joined the 12-officer Newman police force in 2011. The announcement of arrests comes after a statewide manhunt for the suspect.

Authorities said the officer pulled over the attacker as part of a drunken driving investigation around 1 a.m. the day after Christmas. There was a gunfight as Singh "absolutely tried to defend himself" but he apparently didn't hit the suspect, Christianson said.

The shooting comes amid a political fight over immigration, with President Trump and congressional Democrats at odds over funding for a border wall that has forced a partial government shutdown. Mr. Trump tweeted about Singh's killing Thursday, saying it was "time to get tough on Border Security. Build the Wall!"

Get back to me when 96 cops a day are killed by illegals and then we can discuss whether it compares to “responsible” gun owners.
 

yawn.  20 people might have used ar-15's in massacres and we want to ban them....I'm sure more than 20 illegals have murdered someone in the us.  Be fair bud.  You report every day about someone using a weapon in the wrong way...where was this story?  And don't tell me you didn't see this story.

I saw the story. I’m just not buying what the right wing narrative wants me too. Way more harm caused by native born “responsible” gun owners than illegals. Tighten gun laws from the birth of a gun to its death and then we can talk about the wall.

Halifax2TheMax said:

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mcgruff10 said:

I mean we bring up every single time that a gun owner is "responsible until they are not"...why is the amt silent on this one?  this was headline news all the way in new jersey.  

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-police-officer-killed-suspect-arrested-today-2018-12-28-live-updates/

Suspect arrested in killing of California police office

A suspect was arrested in the killing of a California police officer, police said Friday. Newman Police Cpl. Ronil Singh was shot and killed during a traffic stop just hours after Christmas.

 

Gustavo Perez Arriaga was arrested in Bakersfield on Friday as he tried to flee to Mexico, said Stanislaus County Sheriff Adam Christianson, whose agency is leading the investigation. The sheriff told reporters that Perez Arriaga was in the country illegally after crossing the border in Arizona and had two prior arrests for driving while intoxicated.

Christianson didn't say when the 33-year-old came to the U.S. but said that the Mexico native has been living here for several years. The sheriff said Perez Arriaga has gang affiliations and multiple Facebook pages with different names.

Authorities also arrested Perez Arriaga's brother, Adrian Virgen, 25, and a co-worker, Erik Razo Quiroz, 32, who lied to police to try to protect him, Christianson said. Late Friday night, the sheriff's office posted on Facebook that they had also arrested Arriaga's girlfriend, Ana Leyde Cervantes, 30, and his brother,  Conrado Virgen Mendoza, 34. 

The sheriff blamed California's sanctuary law for preventing local authorities from reporting Perez Arriaga to the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency for his previous arrests, adding that if he had been deported, Singh would still be alive.

"This is a criminal illegal alien with prior criminal activity that should have been reported to ICE," Christianson said at a news conference. "We were prohibited, law enforcement was prohibited because of sanctuary laws, and that led to the encounter with Officer Singh. I'm suggesting that the outcome could have been different if law enforcement wasn't restricted, prohibited or had their hands tied because of political interference."

Christianson spoke about making laws stricter as Singh's brother wept beside him. The sheriff said he didn't know if Perez Arriaga had ever been deported.

The sheriff also said that no motive had been established in this week's killing. Singh also was an immigrant, coming legally from his native Fiji to fulfill his dream of becoming a police officer, authorities said.

The 33-year-old had a newborn son and joined the 12-officer Newman police force in 2011. The announcement of arrests comes after a statewide manhunt for the suspect.

Authorities said the officer pulled over the attacker as part of a drunken driving investigation around 1 a.m. the day after Christmas. There was a gunfight as Singh "absolutely tried to defend himself" but he apparently didn't hit the suspect, Christianson said.

The shooting comes amid a political fight over immigration, with President Trump and congressional Democrats at odds over funding for a border wall that has forced a partial government shutdown. Mr. Trump tweeted about Singh's killing Thursday, saying it was "time to get tough on Border Security. Build the Wall!"

Get back to me when 96 cops a day are killed by illegals and then we can discuss whether it compares to “responsible” gun owners.
 

yawn.  20 people might have used ar-15's in massacres and we want to ban them....I'm sure more than 20 illegals have murdered someone in the us.  Be fair bud.  You report every day about someone using a weapon in the wrong way...where was this story?  And don't tell me you didn't see this story.

I saw the story. I’m just not buying what the right wing narrative wants me too. Way more harm caused by native born “responsible” gun owners than illegals. Tighten gun laws from the birth of a gun to its death and then we can talk about the wall.

But yet you didn't report it in this thread.  Pretty obvious why you didn't.

What’s obvious? Please enlighten me. The thread title is “Your Opinion on Immigration.” Why didn’t you post the Missouri mass shooting in the America’s Gun Violence thread? Oh right, pretty obvious.
 

mcgruff10 said:

Just wondering, does this one count or do we only care about those that use guns to kill?

California authorities seek motive in triple slaying  

This undated photo provided by the Ventura County Sheriff's Office shows David Gerald McNabb. California authorities are trying to determine why McNabb stabbed and beat his sister, mother and a third person to death in their home. The Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office says 43-year-old David Gerald McNabb was shot to death in a confrontation Friday night, Dec. 28, 2018, when deputies entered the home in the town of Orcutt, Calif. McNabb had been a sheriff's custody deputy from July 2001 until he resigned in March 2012. His record includes a 2014 conviction for felony domestic violence. (Ventura County Sheriff's Office via AP)

ORCUTT, Calif. (AP) — California authorities are trying to determine why a Central Coast man stabbed and beat his sister, mother and a third person to death in their home.

The Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office said 43-year-old David Gerald McNabb was shot to death in a confrontation Friday night when deputies entered the home in the town of Orcutt.

McNabb had been a sheriff's custody deputy from July 2001 until he resigned in March 2012. His record included a September 2012 arrest in neighboring Ventura County and a 2014 conviction for felony domestic violence, the office said.

The victims were identified as his sister, 34-year-old Nicole McNabb; his mother, 64-year-old Melanie McNabb; and 63-year-old Carlos Echavarria. All lived at the scene.

A Sheriff's Office statement said the county dispatch center received a call at 8:05 p.m. from a person who entered her home and found a bloody scene inside.

"She discovered a victim covered in blood in a bathtub, fled the residence and called for help," it said without identifying that person.

Responding deputies entered the home, contacted the suspect and determined he was armed with a rifle, the statement said.

Emergency notifications were sent to the neighborhood telling people to shelter in place, and the sheriff's special tactical unit and hostage negotiators were summoned.

Deputies learned there were additional people inside and made further entry into the residence.

"They made contact with the armed suspect, a confrontation ensued during which the suspect was initially shot with less lethal munitions, followed by the use of deadly force," the statement said. "The suspect was transported to a hospital by ambulance and was subsequently pronounced dead."

The three victims were found inside the home.

Orcutt is about 150 miles (241 kilometers) northwest of downtown Los Angeles.

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Just wondering, does this one count or do we only care about those that use guns to kill?

California authorities seek motive in triple slaying  

This undated photo provided by the Ventura County Sheriff's Office shows David Gerald McNabb. California authorities are trying to determine why McNabb stabbed and beat his sister, mother and a third person to death in their home. The Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office says 43-year-old David Gerald McNabb was shot to death in a confrontation Friday night, Dec. 28, 2018, when deputies entered the home in the town of Orcutt, Calif. McNabb had been a sheriff's custody deputy from July 2001 until he resigned in March 2012. His record includes a 2014 conviction for felony domestic violence. (Ventura County Sheriff's Office via AP)

ORCUTT, Calif. (AP) — California authorities are trying to determine why a Central Coast man stabbed and beat his sister, mother and a third person to death in their home.

The Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office said 43-year-old David Gerald McNabb was shot to death in a confrontation Friday night when deputies entered the home in the town of Orcutt.

McNabb had been a sheriff's custody deputy from July 2001 until he resigned in March 2012. His record included a September 2012 arrest in neighboring Ventura County and a 2014 conviction for felony domestic violence, the office said.

The victims were identified as his sister, 34-year-old Nicole McNabb; his mother, 64-year-old Melanie McNabb; and 63-year-old Carlos Echavarria. All lived at the scene.

A Sheriff's Office statement said the county dispatch center received a call at 8:05 p.m. from a person who entered her home and found a bloody scene inside.

"She discovered a victim covered in blood in a bathtub, fled the residence and called for help," it said without identifying that person.

Responding deputies entered the home, contacted the suspect and determined he was armed with a rifle, the statement said.

Emergency notifications were sent to the neighborhood telling people to shelter in place, and the sheriff's special tactical unit and hostage negotiators were summoned.

Deputies learned there were additional people inside and made further entry into the residence.

"They made contact with the armed suspect, a confrontation ensued during which the suspect was initially shot with less lethal munitions, followed by the use of deadly force," the statement said. "The suspect was transported to a hospital by ambulance and was subsequently pronounced dead."

The three victims were found inside the home.

Orcutt is about 150 miles (241 kilometers) northwest of downtown Los Angeles.

I don't understand your point.  No one had ever said that immigrants don't commit crimes.  The point is always that they are more inclined to violence than native born citizens. There is little nexus between the gun debate and the alien debate. 

My point was my bud halifax likes to show every single shooting that occurs in this country but fails to show the whole picture.  A lot of violence occurs without firearms.  
And I was definitely surprised that no one discussed the original article I posted.

mrussel1 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Just wondering, does this one count or do we only care about those that use guns to kill?

California authorities seek motive in triple slaying  

This undated photo provided by the Ventura County Sheriff's Office shows David Gerald McNabb. California authorities are trying to determine why McNabb stabbed and beat his sister, mother and a third person to death in their home. The Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office says 43-year-old David Gerald McNabb was shot to death in a confrontation Friday night, Dec. 28, 2018, when deputies entered the home in the town of Orcutt, Calif. McNabb had been a sheriff's custody deputy from July 2001 until he resigned in March 2012. His record includes a 2014 conviction for felony domestic violence. (Ventura County Sheriff's Office via AP)

ORCUTT, Calif. (AP) — California authorities are trying to determine why a Central Coast man stabbed and beat his sister, mother and a third person to death in their home.

The Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office said 43-year-old David Gerald McNabb was shot to death in a confrontation Friday night when deputies entered the home in the town of Orcutt.

McNabb had been a sheriff's custody deputy from July 2001 until he resigned in March 2012. His record included a September 2012 arrest in neighboring Ventura County and a 2014 conviction for felony domestic violence, the office said.

The victims were identified as his sister, 34-year-old Nicole McNabb; his mother, 64-year-old Melanie McNabb; and 63-year-old Carlos Echavarria. All lived at the scene.

A Sheriff's Office statement said the county dispatch center received a call at 8:05 p.m. from a person who entered her home and found a bloody scene inside.

"She discovered a victim covered in blood in a bathtub, fled the residence and called for help," it said without identifying that person.

Responding deputies entered the home, contacted the suspect and determined he was armed with a rifle, the statement said.

Emergency notifications were sent to the neighborhood telling people to shelter in place, and the sheriff's special tactical unit and hostage negotiators were summoned.

Deputies learned there were additional people inside and made further entry into the residence.

"They made contact with the armed suspect, a confrontation ensued during which the suspect was initially shot with less lethal munitions, followed by the use of deadly force," the statement said. "The suspect was transported to a hospital by ambulance and was subsequently pronounced dead."

The three victims were found inside the home.

Orcutt is about 150 miles (241 kilometers) northwest of downtown Los Angeles.

I don't understand your point.  No one had ever said that immigrants don't commit crimes.  The point is always that they are more inclined to violence than native born citizens. There is little nexus between the gun debate and the alien debate. 

My point was my bud halifax likes to show every single shooting that occurs in this country but fails to show the whole picture.  A lot of violence occurs without firearms.  
And I was definitely surprised that no one discussed the original article I posted.

On fairness,  it's a gun violence thread,  not a violence thread. 

Actually you're not even in the gun thread!

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Just wondering, does this one count or do we only care about those that use guns to kill?

California authorities seek motive in triple slaying  

This undated photo provided by the Ventura County Sheriff's Office shows David Gerald McNabb. California authorities are trying to determine why McNabb stabbed and beat his sister, mother and a third person to death in their home. The Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office says 43-year-old David Gerald McNabb was shot to death in a confrontation Friday night, Dec. 28, 2018, when deputies entered the home in the town of Orcutt, Calif. McNabb had been a sheriff's custody deputy from July 2001 until he resigned in March 2012. His record includes a 2014 conviction for felony domestic violence. (Ventura County Sheriff's Office via AP)

ORCUTT, Calif. (AP) — California authorities are trying to determine why a Central Coast man stabbed and beat his sister, mother and a third person to death in their home.

The Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office said 43-year-old David Gerald McNabb was shot to death in a confrontation Friday night when deputies entered the home in the town of Orcutt.

McNabb had been a sheriff's custody deputy from July 2001 until he resigned in March 2012. His record included a September 2012 arrest in neighboring Ventura County and a 2014 conviction for felony domestic violence, the office said.

The victims were identified as his sister, 34-year-old Nicole McNabb; his mother, 64-year-old Melanie McNabb; and 63-year-old Carlos Echavarria. All lived at the scene.

A Sheriff's Office statement said the county dispatch center received a call at 8:05 p.m. from a person who entered her home and found a bloody scene inside.

"She discovered a victim covered in blood in a bathtub, fled the residence and called for help," it said without identifying that person.

Responding deputies entered the home, contacted the suspect and determined he was armed with a rifle, the statement said.

Emergency notifications were sent to the neighborhood telling people to shelter in place, and the sheriff's special tactical unit and hostage negotiators were summoned.

Deputies learned there were additional people inside and made further entry into the residence.

"They made contact with the armed suspect, a confrontation ensued during which the suspect was initially shot with less lethal munitions, followed by the use of deadly force," the statement said. "The suspect was transported to a hospital by ambulance and was subsequently pronounced dead."

The three victims were found inside the home.

Orcutt is about 150 miles (241 kilometers) northwest of downtown Los Angeles.

I don't understand your point.  No one had ever said that immigrants don't commit crimes.  The point is always that they are more inclined to violence than native born citizens. There is little nexus between the gun debate and the alien debate. 

My point was my bud halifax likes to show every single shooting that occurs in this country but fails to show the whole picture.  A lot of violence occurs without firearms.  
And I was definitely surprised that no one discussed the original article I posted.

oftenreading said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Just wondering, does this one count or do we only care about those that use guns to kill?

California authorities seek motive in triple slaying  

This undated photo provided by the Ventura County Sheriff's Office shows David Gerald McNabb. California authorities are trying to determine why McNabb stabbed and beat his sister, mother and a third person to death in their home. The Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office says 43-year-old David Gerald McNabb was shot to death in a confrontation Friday night, Dec. 28, 2018, when deputies entered the home in the town of Orcutt, Calif. McNabb had been a sheriff's custody deputy from July 2001 until he resigned in March 2012. His record includes a 2014 conviction for felony domestic violence. (Ventura County Sheriff's Office via AP)

ORCUTT, Calif. (AP) — California authorities are trying to determine why a Central Coast man stabbed and beat his sister, mother and a third person to death in their home.

The Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office said 43-year-old David Gerald McNabb was shot to death in a confrontation Friday night when deputies entered the home in the town of Orcutt.

McNabb had been a sheriff's custody deputy from July 2001 until he resigned in March 2012. His record included a September 2012 arrest in neighboring Ventura County and a 2014 conviction for felony domestic violence, the office said.

The victims were identified as his sister, 34-year-old Nicole McNabb; his mother, 64-year-old Melanie McNabb; and 63-year-old Carlos Echavarria. All lived at the scene.

A Sheriff's Office statement said the county dispatch center received a call at 8:05 p.m. from a person who entered her home and found a bloody scene inside.

"She discovered a victim covered in blood in a bathtub, fled the residence and called for help," it said without identifying that person.

Responding deputies entered the home, contacted the suspect and determined he was armed with a rifle, the statement said.

Emergency notifications were sent to the neighborhood telling people to shelter in place, and the sheriff's special tactical unit and hostage negotiators were summoned.

Deputies learned there were additional people inside and made further entry into the residence.

"They made contact with the armed suspect, a confrontation ensued during which the suspect was initially shot with less lethal munitions, followed by the use of deadly force," the statement said. "The suspect was transported to a hospital by ambulance and was subsequently pronounced dead."

The three victims were found inside the home.

Orcutt is about 150 miles (241 kilometers) northwest of downtown Los Angeles.

I don't understand your point.  No one had ever said that immigrants don't commit crimes.  The point is always that they are more inclined to violence than native born citizens. There is little nexus between the gun debate and the alien debate. 

My point was my bud halifax likes to show every single shooting that occurs in this country but fails to show the whole picture.  A lot of violence occurs without firearms.  
And I was definitely surprised that no one discussed the original article I posted.

I’m hoping you realize that not even close to every single shooting gets posted here. Not even 1%. 
 

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

but of course. republican thought process:

1 death by illegal immigrant: change all immigration laws and build a wall
34,000 deaths by gun in a year: change abso-fucking-lutely nothing. 

makes perfect fucking sense to me. 

9-11 promoted sweeping changes to airport security and freedoms.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Just wondering, does this one count or do we only care about those that use guns to kill?

California authorities seek motive in triple slaying  

This undated photo provided by the Ventura County Sheriff's Office shows David Gerald McNabb. California authorities are trying to determine why McNabb stabbed and beat his sister, mother and a third person to death in their home. The Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office says 43-year-old David Gerald McNabb was shot to death in a confrontation Friday night, Dec. 28, 2018, when deputies entered the home in the town of Orcutt, Calif. McNabb had been a sheriff's custody deputy from July 2001 until he resigned in March 2012. His record includes a 2014 conviction for felony domestic violence. (Ventura County Sheriff's Office via AP)

ORCUTT, Calif. (AP) — California authorities are trying to determine why a Central Coast man stabbed and beat his sister, mother and a third person to death in their home.

The Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office said 43-year-old David Gerald McNabb was shot to death in a confrontation Friday night when deputies entered the home in the town of Orcutt.

McNabb had been a sheriff's custody deputy from July 2001 until he resigned in March 2012. His record included a September 2012 arrest in neighboring Ventura County and a 2014 conviction for felony domestic violence, the office said.

The victims were identified as his sister, 34-year-old Nicole McNabb; his mother, 64-year-old Melanie McNabb; and 63-year-old Carlos Echavarria. All lived at the scene.

A Sheriff's Office statement said the county dispatch center received a call at 8:05 p.m. from a person who entered her home and found a bloody scene inside.

"She discovered a victim covered in blood in a bathtub, fled the residence and called for help," it said without identifying that person.

Responding deputies entered the home, contacted the suspect and determined he was armed with a rifle, the statement said.

Emergency notifications were sent to the neighborhood telling people to shelter in place, and the sheriff's special tactical unit and hostage negotiators were summoned.

Deputies learned there were additional people inside and made further entry into the residence.

"They made contact with the armed suspect, a confrontation ensued during which the suspect was initially shot with less lethal munitions, followed by the use of deadly force," the statement said. "The suspect was transported to a hospital by ambulance and was subsequently pronounced dead."

The three victims were found inside the home.

Orcutt is about 150 miles (241 kilometers) northwest of downtown Los Angeles.

Are you suggesting people call for a knife ban? Or a ban of 'anyone who looks like they are extras on The Hills Have Eyes'?

Geezuz that is an ugly bastard.