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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    I agree that tighter border security would be in the US' best interest.

    I don't think a wall is the answer. I think physical barriers are necessary at various points, but 5 billion for a big whopper? So that Mexicans can practice their spray painting techniques? Americans can yell from the other side, "Hey. Come on guys. Leave the wall alone."Ā 

    Didn't existing border controls turn back the caravan? Is it supposed to take the place of border personnel? I see just as many people working as ever, plus the addition of wall maintenance people.
    I think even trump has said that the border security wants it to be fence-like because they want to be able to see through it. Ā Remember reading that somewhere. Ā So itā€™s not like spray paint would be an issue.

    also, itā€™s not at the crossing points that the issue exists, itā€™s the space in between where there needs to be a wall- migrants looking to pass through illegally use the dangerous areas in between to cross often times

    Don't you guys have a massive military? Isn't there any way to develop a system where they are employed along sectors of the border as they train?

    The desert regions would be fantastic geographical replications of the middle east where you guys seem to like being.
    Well then weā€™d have to spend billions on building military bases along the border. Ā Not sure thatā€™s the answer, I think we spend too much on our military already. Ā Besides, that would be apocalyptic looking, I think a simple barrier makes more sense.

    But the barrier will only prove to be one more challenge that can be overcome.

    I wasn't suggesting moving the entire military operation along your southern border. I was suggesting a strategically placed base (orĀ more) to complement existing operations. With the military's existing technology, I'm pretty sure you guys could develop a strong role for them to play in this matter. I'm also thinking valuable training gets done while actively enforcing a border.

    And don't get me wrong... I am not saying employ the military to stomp out 'illegals' with deadly force.

    Anyways... I'm just speaking off the top of my head whether legitimate or not.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    edited December 2018
    RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    I agree that tighter border security would be in the US' best interest.

    I don't think a wall is the answer. I think physical barriers are necessary at various points, but 5 billion for a big whopper? So that Mexicans can practice their spray painting techniques? Americans can yell from the other side, "Hey. Come on guys. Leave the wall alone."Ā 

    Didn't existing border controls turn back the caravan? Is it supposed to take the place of border personnel? I see just as many people working as ever, plus the addition of wall maintenance people.
    I think even trump has said that the border security wants it to be fence-like because they want to be able to see through it. Ā Remember reading that somewhere. Ā So itā€™s not like spray paint would be an issue.

    also, itā€™s not at the crossing points that the issue exists, itā€™s the space in between where there needs to be a wall- migrants looking to pass through illegally use the dangerous areas in between to cross often times
    What Trump says is absolutely meaningless.
    "It will be a concrete wall."
    "It will be across the entire border"
    "Mexico will pay for the wall"

    He is literally the most untrustworthy person in the world when it comes to this.....or anything else really.

    "Even Trump said". hahahah
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    LOL


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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,750
    What people are forgetting is that the repubs had a deal with Obama for immigration reform as it related to DACA and they walked away from it. Along came Team Trump Treason and the Dems had a deal with him for partial funding of his border wall. And Team Trump Treason walked away from it. Twice. All for a wall that Team Trump Treason promised Mexico would pay for. Fuck him and his base. Start the investigations and get the lying sack of shit impeached and removed. Team Trump Treason is not brilliant, a skilled negotiator nor worthy of the office.Ā 
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,541
    And yet no one seems to care or want to do anything about the caucasian undocumented immigrants who overstay their visas.
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,827
    Bentleyspop said:
    And yet no one seems to care or want to do anything about the caucasian undocumented immigrants who overstay their visas.
    Yep plenty of Europenas that are here illegally but remember they don't make this country a dirtier country they get to stay ..
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,922
    josevolution said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    And yet no one seems to care or want to do anything about the caucasian undocumented immigrants who overstay their visas.
    Yep plenty of Europenas that are here illegally but remember they don't make this country a dirtier country they get to stay ..
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,827
    mrussel1 said:
    josevolution said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    And yet no one seems to care or want to do anything about the caucasian undocumented immigrants who overstay their visas.
    Yep plenty of Europenas that are here illegally but remember they don't make this country a dirtier country they get to stay ..
    I love when you channel Tucker...
    lol yeah isnā€™t he just a great human ..
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,541

  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,750
    Ann Coulter is freaking the fuck out.
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,827
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Ann Coulter is freaking the fuck out.
    Good I hope she ends up in a straight jacket šŸ§„..
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    josevolution said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Ann Coulter is freaking the fuck out.
    Good I hope she ends up in a straight jacket šŸ§„..

    She wants the wall more than McDonald does. Her tweets and utterings are tantamount to warnings for McDonald who she fears is going to cave: build it or else.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,636
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    josevolution said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Ann Coulter is freaking the fuck out.
    Good I hope she ends up in a straight jacket šŸ§„..

    She wants the wall more than McDonald does. Her tweets and utterings are tantamount to warnings for McDonald who she fears is going to cave: build it or else.
    Wall is stupid...

    Secure the border fine but why don't we use all that money for better enrollment of immigrants?

    Drones and sensors?

    No...Ā  A wall.Ā  A yuge wall.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,829
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    josevolution said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Ann Coulter is freaking the fuck out.
    Good I hope she ends up in a straight jacket šŸ§„..

    She wants the wall more than McDonald does. Her tweets and utterings are tantamount to warnings for McDonald who she fears is going to cave: build it or else.
    I think she's doing exactly what she should do to get what she wants. lots of folks think Trump toughened his stance on the wall because of Coulter calling him out on it.Ā 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,775
    edited January 2019
    I don't think I understand where wall supporters' heads are at. Do they actually know that a wall will cost many times more than $5 billion? Are they expecting it to be $5 billion per year for eternity, or what? Because that's about what would be needed to build the wall over the next 6 to 12 years, and then to maintain it and police it after that forever, while people find other ways to enter America, if they don't just go under or over the damn wall. Have Trumpsters just not thought about that at all, or....? :confused: How can they not see that this $5 billion is a meaningless bullshit ask?
    And how do they react to stories like how Trump just recently suggested to someone that "THE WALL" is actually just a metaphor for "border security"?
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,827
    $$$$$$ should be put forth to hire more border personel more border facilities , more judges to process immigrants im not advocating to just let everyone in and the other factor that's not being talked about is how incompetent this president really is ! how about him innitiating a summitt with the central American countries to hash out some sort of plan to get these countries to govern their populations and what can be done about these mass exodus that seem to be happening ...
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  • tempo_n_groove
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    josevolution said:
    $$$$$$ should be put forth to hire more border personel more border facilities , more judges to process immigrants im not advocating to just let everyone in and the other factor that's not being talked about is how incompetent this president really is ! how about him innitiating a summitt with the central American countries to hash out some sort of plan to get these countries to govern their populations and what can be done about these mass exodus that seem to be happening ...
    Sounds way to reasonable Jose.Ā  The President will never go for it...
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,541
    tempo_n_groove said:
    josevolution said:
    $$$$$$ should be put forth to hire more border personel more border facilities , more judges to process immigrants im not advocating to just let everyone in and the other factor that's not being talked about is how incompetent this president really is ! how about him innitiating a summitt with the central American countries to hash out some sort of plan to get these countries to govern their populations and what can be done about these mass exodus that seem to be happening ...
    Sounds way to reasonable Jose.Ā  The President will never go for it...
    Never mind the so-called "president". What about the people, the racist xenophobes, that are to blame for the current regimes immigration policy.
    Stephen Miller
    SebastianĀ  Gorka
    Steve Bannon
    Sean Hannity
    Etc
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,775
    josevolution said:
    $$$$$$ should be put forth to hire more border personel more border facilities , more judges to process immigrants im not advocating to just let everyone in and the other factor that's not being talked about is how incompetent this president really is ! how about him innitiating a summitt with the central American countries to hash out some sort of plan to get these countries to govern their populations and what can be done about these mass exodus that seem to be happening ...
    Literally NOBODY advocates for that. Trump and Trumpsters and many Republicans love to pretend people want that though. It's ludicrous.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,636
    Bentleyspop said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    josevolution said:
    $$$$$$ should be put forth to hire more border personel more border facilities , more judges to process immigrants im not advocating to just let everyone in and the other factor that's not being talked about is how incompetent this president really is ! how about him innitiating a summitt with the central American countries to hash out some sort of plan to get these countries to govern their populations and what can be done about these mass exodus that seem to be happening ...
    Sounds way to reasonable Jose.Ā  The President will never go for it...
    Never mind the so-called "president". What about the people, the racist xenophobes, that are to blame for the current regimes immigration policy.
    Stephen Miller
    SebastianĀ  Gorka
    Steve Bannon
    Sean Hannity
    Etc
    I honestly can't fathom "why" people think the idea of a wall is a good thing?

    As much as I dislike Chuck Schumer he did say what I would agree with in needing drones, sensors, medical centers, patrols, facilities for processing etc.rather than waste money on a 30' high wall...


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