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Man... my posts suck today.mcgruff10 said:
Stop. You know what I am talking about it.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:mcgruff10 said:Just wondering, does this one count or do we only care about those that use guns to kill?California authorities seek motive in triple slaying
This undated photo provided by the Ventura County Sheriff's Office shows David Gerald McNabb. California authorities are trying to determine why McNabb stabbed and beat his sister, mother and a third person to death in their home. The Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office says 43-year-old David Gerald McNabb was shot to death in a confrontation Friday night, Dec. 28, 2018, when deputies entered the home in the town of Orcutt, Calif. McNabb had been a sheriff's custody deputy from July 2001 until he resigned in March 2012. His record includes a 2014 conviction for felony domestic violence. (Ventura County Sheriff's Office via AP)ORCUTT, Calif. (AP) — California authorities are trying to determine why a Central Coast man stabbed and beat his sister, mother and a third person to death in their home.
The Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office said 43-year-old David Gerald McNabb was shot to death in a confrontation Friday night when deputies entered the home in the town of Orcutt.
McNabb had been a sheriff's custody deputy from July 2001 until he resigned in March 2012. His record included a September 2012 arrest in neighboring Ventura County and a 2014 conviction for felony domestic violence, the office said.
The victims were identified as his sister, 34-year-old Nicole McNabb; his mother, 64-year-old Melanie McNabb; and 63-year-old Carlos Echavarria. All lived at the scene.
A Sheriff's Office statement said the county dispatch center received a call at 8:05 p.m. from a person who entered her home and found a bloody scene inside.
"She discovered a victim covered in blood in a bathtub, fled the residence and called for help," it said without identifying that person.
Responding deputies entered the home, contacted the suspect and determined he was armed with a rifle, the statement said.
Emergency notifications were sent to the neighborhood telling people to shelter in place, and the sheriff's special tactical unit and hostage negotiators were summoned.
Deputies learned there were additional people inside and made further entry into the residence.
"They made contact with the armed suspect, a confrontation ensued during which the suspect was initially shot with less lethal munitions, followed by the use of deadly force," the statement said. "The suspect was transported to a hospital by ambulance and was subsequently pronounced dead."
The three victims were found inside the home.
Orcutt is about 150 miles (241 kilometers) northwest of downtown Los Angeles.
Are you suggesting people call for a knife ban? Or a ban of 'anyone who looks like they are extras on The Hills Have Eyes'?
Geezuz that is an ugly bastard.
I do know what you are talking about. I just wanted to (creatively) point out that the shitbird in the story you linked looks like a f**king mutant.
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Without that exaggeration you don’t have a point to make, and with it, it’s inaccutate. A conundrum for you, definitely.mcgruff10 said:
Thank you for pointing that out Captain. That was an exaggeration on my part.oftenreading said:
I’m hoping you realize that not even close to every single shooting gets posted here. Not even 1%.mcgruff10 said:
My point was my bud halifax likes to show every single shooting that occurs in this country but fails to show the whole picture. A lot of violence occurs without firearms.mrussel1 said:
I don't understand your point. No one had ever said that immigrants don't commit crimes. The point is always that they are more inclined to violence than native born citizens. There is little nexus between the gun debate and the alien debate.mcgruff10 said:Just wondering, does this one count or do we only care about those that use guns to kill?California authorities seek motive in triple slaying
This undated photo provided by the Ventura County Sheriff's Office shows David Gerald McNabb. California authorities are trying to determine why McNabb stabbed and beat his sister, mother and a third person to death in their home. The Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office says 43-year-old David Gerald McNabb was shot to death in a confrontation Friday night, Dec. 28, 2018, when deputies entered the home in the town of Orcutt, Calif. McNabb had been a sheriff's custody deputy from July 2001 until he resigned in March 2012. His record includes a 2014 conviction for felony domestic violence. (Ventura County Sheriff's Office via AP)ORCUTT, Calif. (AP) — California authorities are trying to determine why a Central Coast man stabbed and beat his sister, mother and a third person to death in their home.
The Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office said 43-year-old David Gerald McNabb was shot to death in a confrontation Friday night when deputies entered the home in the town of Orcutt.
McNabb had been a sheriff's custody deputy from July 2001 until he resigned in March 2012. His record included a September 2012 arrest in neighboring Ventura County and a 2014 conviction for felony domestic violence, the office said.
The victims were identified as his sister, 34-year-old Nicole McNabb; his mother, 64-year-old Melanie McNabb; and 63-year-old Carlos Echavarria. All lived at the scene.
A Sheriff's Office statement said the county dispatch center received a call at 8:05 p.m. from a person who entered her home and found a bloody scene inside.
"She discovered a victim covered in blood in a bathtub, fled the residence and called for help," it said without identifying that person.
Responding deputies entered the home, contacted the suspect and determined he was armed with a rifle, the statement said.
Emergency notifications were sent to the neighborhood telling people to shelter in place, and the sheriff's special tactical unit and hostage negotiators were summoned.
Deputies learned there were additional people inside and made further entry into the residence.
"They made contact with the armed suspect, a confrontation ensued during which the suspect was initially shot with less lethal munitions, followed by the use of deadly force," the statement said. "The suspect was transported to a hospital by ambulance and was subsequently pronounced dead."
The three victims were found inside the home.
Orcutt is about 150 miles (241 kilometers) northwest of downtown Los Angeles.
And I was definitely surprised that no one discussed the original article I posted.
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Maybe in your eyes but not mine.oftenreading said:
Without that exaggeration you don’t have a point to make, and with it, it’s inaccutate. A conundrum for you, definitely.mcgruff10 said:
Thank you for pointing that out Captain. That was an exaggeration on my part.oftenreading said:
I’m hoping you realize that not even close to every single shooting gets posted here. Not even 1%.mcgruff10 said:
My point was my bud halifax likes to show every single shooting that occurs in this country but fails to show the whole picture. A lot of violence occurs without firearms.mrussel1 said:
I don't understand your point. No one had ever said that immigrants don't commit crimes. The point is always that they are more inclined to violence than native born citizens. There is little nexus between the gun debate and the alien debate.mcgruff10 said:Just wondering, does this one count or do we only care about those that use guns to kill?California authorities seek motive in triple slaying
This undated photo provided by the Ventura County Sheriff's Office shows David Gerald McNabb. California authorities are trying to determine why McNabb stabbed and beat his sister, mother and a third person to death in their home. The Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office says 43-year-old David Gerald McNabb was shot to death in a confrontation Friday night, Dec. 28, 2018, when deputies entered the home in the town of Orcutt, Calif. McNabb had been a sheriff's custody deputy from July 2001 until he resigned in March 2012. His record includes a 2014 conviction for felony domestic violence. (Ventura County Sheriff's Office via AP)ORCUTT, Calif. (AP) — California authorities are trying to determine why a Central Coast man stabbed and beat his sister, mother and a third person to death in their home.
The Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office said 43-year-old David Gerald McNabb was shot to death in a confrontation Friday night when deputies entered the home in the town of Orcutt.
McNabb had been a sheriff's custody deputy from July 2001 until he resigned in March 2012. His record included a September 2012 arrest in neighboring Ventura County and a 2014 conviction for felony domestic violence, the office said.
The victims were identified as his sister, 34-year-old Nicole McNabb; his mother, 64-year-old Melanie McNabb; and 63-year-old Carlos Echavarria. All lived at the scene.
A Sheriff's Office statement said the county dispatch center received a call at 8:05 p.m. from a person who entered her home and found a bloody scene inside.
"She discovered a victim covered in blood in a bathtub, fled the residence and called for help," it said without identifying that person.
Responding deputies entered the home, contacted the suspect and determined he was armed with a rifle, the statement said.
Emergency notifications were sent to the neighborhood telling people to shelter in place, and the sheriff's special tactical unit and hostage negotiators were summoned.
Deputies learned there were additional people inside and made further entry into the residence.
"They made contact with the armed suspect, a confrontation ensued during which the suspect was initially shot with less lethal munitions, followed by the use of deadly force," the statement said. "The suspect was transported to a hospital by ambulance and was subsequently pronounced dead."
The three victims were found inside the home.
Orcutt is about 150 miles (241 kilometers) northwest of downtown Los Angeles.
And I was definitely surprised that no one discussed the original article I posted.
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Peter Gabriel? Is that you?mcgruff10 said:
Maybe in your eyes but not mine.oftenreading said:
Without that exaggeration you don’t have a point to make, and with it, it’s inaccutate. A conundrum for you, definitely.mcgruff10 said:
Thank you for pointing that out Captain. That was an exaggeration on my part.oftenreading said:
I’m hoping you realize that not even close to every single shooting gets posted here. Not even 1%.mcgruff10 said:
My point was my bud halifax likes to show every single shooting that occurs in this country but fails to show the whole picture. A lot of violence occurs without firearms.mrussel1 said:
I don't understand your point. No one had ever said that immigrants don't commit crimes. The point is always that they are more inclined to violence than native born citizens. There is little nexus between the gun debate and the alien debate.mcgruff10 said:Just wondering, does this one count or do we only care about those that use guns to kill?California authorities seek motive in triple slaying
This undated photo provided by the Ventura County Sheriff's Office shows David Gerald McNabb. California authorities are trying to determine why McNabb stabbed and beat his sister, mother and a third person to death in their home. The Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office says 43-year-old David Gerald McNabb was shot to death in a confrontation Friday night, Dec. 28, 2018, when deputies entered the home in the town of Orcutt, Calif. McNabb had been a sheriff's custody deputy from July 2001 until he resigned in March 2012. His record includes a 2014 conviction for felony domestic violence. (Ventura County Sheriff's Office via AP)ORCUTT, Calif. (AP) — California authorities are trying to determine why a Central Coast man stabbed and beat his sister, mother and a third person to death in their home.
The Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office said 43-year-old David Gerald McNabb was shot to death in a confrontation Friday night when deputies entered the home in the town of Orcutt.
McNabb had been a sheriff's custody deputy from July 2001 until he resigned in March 2012. His record included a September 2012 arrest in neighboring Ventura County and a 2014 conviction for felony domestic violence, the office said.
The victims were identified as his sister, 34-year-old Nicole McNabb; his mother, 64-year-old Melanie McNabb; and 63-year-old Carlos Echavarria. All lived at the scene.
A Sheriff's Office statement said the county dispatch center received a call at 8:05 p.m. from a person who entered her home and found a bloody scene inside.
"She discovered a victim covered in blood in a bathtub, fled the residence and called for help," it said without identifying that person.
Responding deputies entered the home, contacted the suspect and determined he was armed with a rifle, the statement said.
Emergency notifications were sent to the neighborhood telling people to shelter in place, and the sheriff's special tactical unit and hostage negotiators were summoned.
Deputies learned there were additional people inside and made further entry into the residence.
"They made contact with the armed suspect, a confrontation ensued during which the suspect was initially shot with less lethal munitions, followed by the use of deadly force," the statement said. "The suspect was transported to a hospital by ambulance and was subsequently pronounced dead."
The three victims were found inside the home.
Orcutt is about 150 miles (241 kilometers) northwest of downtown Los Angeles.
And I was definitely surprised that no one discussed the original article I posted.
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Please, if it’ll massage your conscience, help you sleep at night or get over your Giants loss, start a thread with some rationality.mcgruff10 said:
My point was my bud halifax likes to show every single shooting that occurs in this country but fails to show the whole picture. A lot of violence occurs without firearms.mrussel1 said:
I don't understand your point. No one had ever said that immigrants don't commit crimes. The point is always that they are more inclined to violence than native born citizens. There is little nexus between the gun debate and the alien debate.mcgruff10 said:Just wondering, does this one count or do we only care about those that use guns to kill?California authorities seek motive in triple slaying
This undated photo provided by the Ventura County Sheriff's Office shows David Gerald McNabb. California authorities are trying to determine why McNabb stabbed and beat his sister, mother and a third person to death in their home. The Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office says 43-year-old David Gerald McNabb was shot to death in a confrontation Friday night, Dec. 28, 2018, when deputies entered the home in the town of Orcutt, Calif. McNabb had been a sheriff's custody deputy from July 2001 until he resigned in March 2012. His record includes a 2014 conviction for felony domestic violence. (Ventura County Sheriff's Office via AP)ORCUTT, Calif. (AP) — California authorities are trying to determine why a Central Coast man stabbed and beat his sister, mother and a third person to death in their home.
The Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office said 43-year-old David Gerald McNabb was shot to death in a confrontation Friday night when deputies entered the home in the town of Orcutt.
McNabb had been a sheriff's custody deputy from July 2001 until he resigned in March 2012. His record included a September 2012 arrest in neighboring Ventura County and a 2014 conviction for felony domestic violence, the office said.
The victims were identified as his sister, 34-year-old Nicole McNabb; his mother, 64-year-old Melanie McNabb; and 63-year-old Carlos Echavarria. All lived at the scene.
A Sheriff's Office statement said the county dispatch center received a call at 8:05 p.m. from a person who entered her home and found a bloody scene inside.
"She discovered a victim covered in blood in a bathtub, fled the residence and called for help," it said without identifying that person.
Responding deputies entered the home, contacted the suspect and determined he was armed with a rifle, the statement said.
Emergency notifications were sent to the neighborhood telling people to shelter in place, and the sheriff's special tactical unit and hostage negotiators were summoned.
Deputies learned there were additional people inside and made further entry into the residence.
"They made contact with the armed suspect, a confrontation ensued during which the suspect was initially shot with less lethal munitions, followed by the use of deadly force," the statement said. "The suspect was transported to a hospital by ambulance and was subsequently pronounced dead."
The three victims were found inside the home.
Orcutt is about 150 miles (241 kilometers) northwest of downtown Los Angeles.
And I was definitely surprised that no one discussed the original article I posted.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States
And then we can debate why Americans are so violent toward one another. Is it because we’re free or “responsible?”
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Kids are still in cages without any sign of being reunited at all , Americans killing each other doesn’t belong in this thread and I’ve come to the realization that I don’t care if Americans are killing each other every day with their god given right to bear arms !jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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His own chief of staff said this, not some member of the media. Congrats to the president on spelling “border” correctly:
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Are kids still in cages? I can't find any current info.josevolution said:Kids are still in cages without any sign of being reunited at all , Americans killing each other doesn’t belong in this thread and I’ve come to the realization that I don’t care if Americans are killing each other every day with their god given right to bear arms !I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
And Lindsey Graham after their lunch yesterday. This is why no one will do a deal with him. He burns everyone. I bet Graham is pissed today. More fascinating politics.The Juggler said:His own chief of staff said this, not some member of the media. Congrats to the president on spelling “border” correctly:0 -
Walls don't kill peopleHalifax2TheMax said:
I saw the story. I’m just not buying what the right wing narrative wants me too. Way more harm caused by native born “responsible” gun owners than illegals. Tighten gun laws from the birth of a gun to its death and then we can talk about the wall.mcgruff10 said:
yawn. 20 people might have used ar-15's in massacres and we want to ban them....I'm sure more than 20 illegals have murdered someone in the us. Be fair bud. You report every day about someone using a weapon in the wrong way...where was this story? And don't tell me you didn't see this story.Halifax2TheMax said:
Get back to me when 96 cops a day are killed by illegals and then we can discuss whether it compares to “responsible” gun owners.mcgruff10 said:I mean we bring up every single time that a gun owner is "responsible until they are not"...why is the amt silent on this one? this was headline news all the way in new jersey.https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-police-officer-killed-suspect-arrested-today-2018-12-28-live-updates/
Suspect arrested in killing of California police office
A suspect was arrested in the killing of a California police officer, police said Friday. Newman Police Cpl. Ronil Singh was shot and killed during a traffic stop just hours after Christmas.
Gustavo Perez Arriaga was arrested in Bakersfield on Friday as he tried to flee to Mexico, said Stanislaus County Sheriff Adam Christianson, whose agency is leading the investigation. The sheriff told reporters that Perez Arriaga was in the country illegally after crossing the border in Arizona and had two prior arrests for driving while intoxicated.
Christianson didn't say when the 33-year-old came to the U.S. but said that the Mexico native has been living here for several years. The sheriff said Perez Arriaga has gang affiliations and multiple Facebook pages with different names.
Authorities also arrested Perez Arriaga's brother, Adrian Virgen, 25, and a co-worker, Erik Razo Quiroz, 32, who lied to police to try to protect him, Christianson said. Late Friday night, the sheriff's office posted on Facebook that they had also arrested Arriaga's girlfriend, Ana Leyde Cervantes, 30, and his brother, Conrado Virgen Mendoza, 34.
The sheriff blamed California's sanctuary law for preventing local authorities from reporting Perez Arriaga to the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency for his previous arrests, adding that if he had been deported, Singh would still be alive.
"This is a criminal illegal alien with prior criminal activity that should have been reported to ICE," Christianson said at a news conference. "We were prohibited, law enforcement was prohibited because of sanctuary laws, and that led to the encounter with Officer Singh. I'm suggesting that the outcome could have been different if law enforcement wasn't restricted, prohibited or had their hands tied because of political interference."
Christianson spoke about making laws stricter as Singh's brother wept beside him. The sheriff said he didn't know if Perez Arriaga had ever been deported.
The sheriff also said that no motive had been established in this week's killing. Singh also was an immigrant, coming legally from his native Fiji to fulfill his dream of becoming a police officer, authorities said.
The 33-year-old had a newborn son and joined the 12-officer Newman police force in 2011. The announcement of arrests comes after a statewide manhunt for the suspect.
Authorities said the officer pulled over the attacker as part of a drunken driving investigation around 1 a.m. the day after Christmas. There was a gunfight as Singh "absolutely tried to defend himself" but he apparently didn't hit the suspect, Christianson said.
The shooting comes amid a political fight over immigration, with President Trump and congressional Democrats at odds over funding for a border wall that has forced a partial government shutdown. Mr. Trump tweeted about Singh's killing Thursday, saying it was "time to get tough on Border Security. Build the Wall!"
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A few democrats, before they flipped, roundly supported the same things they “object” to today. True politics, at play:
Bill Clinton, state of union 95:
“That’s why our administration has moved to aggressively secure our borders more, by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as every before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens,”
Chuck shumer, 2009:
“When we use phrases like ‘undocumented workers,’ we convey a message to the American people that their government is not serious about combating illegal immigration, which the American people overwhelmingly oppose,” Schumer said. “If you don’t think it’s illegal, you’re not going to say it. I think it is illegal and wrong and we have to change it."“People who enter the United States without our permission are illegal aliens, and illegal aliens should not be treated the same as people who entered the U.S. legally,"
Barack Obama:
“Those who enter the country illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of law and they are showing disregard for those who are following the law. We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked, and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently, and lawfully to become immigrants in this country.”
(Needless to say the senate vote for the secure fence act of 2006 passed 80-19, the vast majority wanted border security.)
Hillary Clinton:
“Well, I voted numerous times when I was a Senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in, And I do think you have to control your borders."
“We've got to do several things and I am, you know, adamantly against illegal immigrants. I made this exception basically on humanitarian grounds because of the individual story but certainly we've got to do more at our borders. And people have to stop employing illegal immigrants. Come up to Westchester, go to Suffolk and Nassau counties, stand in the street corners in Brooklyn or the Bronx - you're going to see loads of people waiting to get picked up to go do yard work and construction work and domestic work."
"As to illegal aliens, we agree with you that the comprehensive health care benefits should not be extended to those who are un-documented workers and illegal aliens. We do not want to do anything to encourage more illegal immigration into this country. We know now that too many come for medical care, as it is. We certainly don't want them to have the same benefits that American citizens are entitled to have."
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The Democrats offered 25 billion to secure the border, just not for a wall. Why is it so difficult to understand the nuance? E-verify, more guards at the crossing stations to inspect more vehicles, drones, cameras, etc. No one is arguing against it. But the wall is a symbol, you know, I know, Trump knows it. It's ineffective but his campaign promise. Sorry, my tax dollars should not go to support his stupid mouth.RoleModelsinBlood31 said:A few democrats, before they flipped, roundly supported the same things they “object” to today. True politics, at play:
Bill Clinton, state of union 95:
“That’s why our administration has moved to aggressively secure our borders more, by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as every before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens,”
Chuck shumer, 2009:
“When we use phrases like ‘undocumented workers,’ we convey a message to the American people that their government is not serious about combating illegal immigration, which the American people overwhelmingly oppose,” Schumer said. “If you don’t think it’s illegal, you’re not going to say it. I think it is illegal and wrong and we have to change it."“People who enter the United States without our permission are illegal aliens, and illegal aliens should not be treated the same as people who entered the U.S. legally,"
Barack Obama:
“Those who enter the country illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of law and they are showing disregard for those who are following the law. We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked, and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently, and lawfully to become immigrants in this country.”
(Needless to say the senate vote for the secure fence act of 2006 passed 80-19, the vast majority wanted border security.)
Hillary Clinton:
“Well, I voted numerous times when I was a Senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in, And I do think you have to control your borders."
“We've got to do several things and I am, you know, adamantly against illegal immigrants. I made this exception basically on humanitarian grounds because of the individual story but certainly we've got to do more at our borders. And people have to stop employing illegal immigrants. Come up to Westchester, go to Suffolk and Nassau counties, stand in the street corners in Brooklyn or the Bronx - you're going to see loads of people waiting to get picked up to go do yard work and construction work and domestic work."
"As to illegal aliens, we agree with you that the comprehensive health care benefits should not be extended to those who are un-documented workers and illegal aliens. We do not want to do anything to encourage more illegal immigration into this country. We know now that too many come for medical care, as it is. We certainly don't want them to have the same benefits that American citizens are entitled to have."
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I agree that tighter border security would be in the US' best interest.
I don't think a wall is the answer. I think physical barriers are necessary at various points, but 5 billion for a big whopper? So that Mexicans can practice their spray painting techniques? Americans can yell from the other side, "Hey. Come on guys. Leave the wall alone."
Didn't existing border controls turn back the caravan? Is it supposed to take the place of border personnel? I see just as many people working as ever, plus the addition of wall maintenance people.
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what would be the point of spending 25 billion instead of 5 billion just because of symbolism? If the money isn’t what’s important, spend less and put up the wall- call it a fence if you want. After all isn’t it Pelosi who distinguishes the two as two different things?mrussel1 said:
The Democrats offered 25 billion to secure the border, just not for a wall. Why is it so difficult to understand the nuance? E-verify, more guards at the crossing stations to inspect more vehicles, drones, cameras, etc. No one is arguing against it. But the wall is a symbol, you know, I know, Trump knows it. It's ineffective but his campaign promise. Sorry, my tax dollars should not go to support his stupid mouth.RoleModelsinBlood31 said:A few democrats, before they flipped, roundly supported the same things they “object” to today. True politics, at play:
Bill Clinton, state of union 95:
“That’s why our administration has moved to aggressively secure our borders more, by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as every before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens,”
Chuck shumer, 2009:
“When we use phrases like ‘undocumented workers,’ we convey a message to the American people that their government is not serious about combating illegal immigration, which the American people overwhelmingly oppose,” Schumer said. “If you don’t think it’s illegal, you’re not going to say it. I think it is illegal and wrong and we have to change it."“People who enter the United States without our permission are illegal aliens, and illegal aliens should not be treated the same as people who entered the U.S. legally,"
Barack Obama:
“Those who enter the country illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of law and they are showing disregard for those who are following the law. We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked, and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently, and lawfully to become immigrants in this country.”
(Needless to say the senate vote for the secure fence act of 2006 passed 80-19, the vast majority wanted border security.)
Hillary Clinton:
“Well, I voted numerous times when I was a Senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in, And I do think you have to control your borders."
“We've got to do several things and I am, you know, adamantly against illegal immigrants. I made this exception basically on humanitarian grounds because of the individual story but certainly we've got to do more at our borders. And people have to stop employing illegal immigrants. Come up to Westchester, go to Suffolk and Nassau counties, stand in the street corners in Brooklyn or the Bronx - you're going to see loads of people waiting to get picked up to go do yard work and construction work and domestic work."
"As to illegal aliens, we agree with you that the comprehensive health care benefits should not be extended to those who are un-documented workers and illegal aliens. We do not want to do anything to encourage more illegal immigration into this country. We know now that too many come for medical care, as it is. We certainly don't want them to have the same benefits that American citizens are entitled to have."
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Do you think an end to end border wall only cost 5 billion?RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
what would be the point of spending 25 billion instead of 5 billion just because of symbolism? If the money isn’t what’s important, spend less and put up the wall- call it a fence if you want. After all isn’t it Pelosi who distinguishes the two as two different things?mrussel1 said:
The Democrats offered 25 billion to secure the border, just not for a wall. Why is it so difficult to understand the nuance? E-verify, more guards at the crossing stations to inspect more vehicles, drones, cameras, etc. No one is arguing against it. But the wall is a symbol, you know, I know, Trump knows it. It's ineffective but his campaign promise. Sorry, my tax dollars should not go to support his stupid mouth.RoleModelsinBlood31 said:A few democrats, before they flipped, roundly supported the same things they “object” to today. True politics, at play:
Bill Clinton, state of union 95:
“That’s why our administration has moved to aggressively secure our borders more, by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as every before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens,”
Chuck shumer, 2009:
“When we use phrases like ‘undocumented workers,’ we convey a message to the American people that their government is not serious about combating illegal immigration, which the American people overwhelmingly oppose,” Schumer said. “If you don’t think it’s illegal, you’re not going to say it. I think it is illegal and wrong and we have to change it."“People who enter the United States without our permission are illegal aliens, and illegal aliens should not be treated the same as people who entered the U.S. legally,"
Barack Obama:
“Those who enter the country illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of law and they are showing disregard for those who are following the law. We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked, and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently, and lawfully to become immigrants in this country.”
(Needless to say the senate vote for the secure fence act of 2006 passed 80-19, the vast majority wanted border security.)
Hillary Clinton:
“Well, I voted numerous times when I was a Senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in, And I do think you have to control your borders."
“We've got to do several things and I am, you know, adamantly against illegal immigrants. I made this exception basically on humanitarian grounds because of the individual story but certainly we've got to do more at our borders. And people have to stop employing illegal immigrants. Come up to Westchester, go to Suffolk and Nassau counties, stand in the street corners in Brooklyn or the Bronx - you're going to see loads of people waiting to get picked up to go do yard work and construction work and domestic work."
"As to illegal aliens, we agree with you that the comprehensive health care benefits should not be extended to those who are un-documented workers and illegal aliens. We do not want to do anything to encourage more illegal immigration into this country. We know now that too many come for medical care, as it is. We certainly don't want them to have the same benefits that American citizens are entitled to have."
Plus, if you ask me if I'd rather flush $5 down the toilet or spend $25 on a new PJ album, I think I'd rather do the latter. That's the choice here.0 -
I think even trump has said that the border security wants it to be fence-like because they want to be able to see through it. Remember reading that somewhere. So it’s not like spray paint would be an issue.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:I agree that tighter border security would be in the US' best interest.
I don't think a wall is the answer. I think physical barriers are necessary at various points, but 5 billion for a big whopper? So that Mexicans can practice their spray painting techniques? Americans can yell from the other side, "Hey. Come on guys. Leave the wall alone."
Didn't existing border controls turn back the caravan? Is it supposed to take the place of border personnel? I see just as many people working as ever, plus the addition of wall maintenance people.
also, it’s not at the crossing points that the issue exists, it’s the space in between where there needs to be a wall- migrants looking to pass through illegally use the dangerous areas in between to cross often timesI'm like an opening band for your mom.0 -
Well we may have a long time to wait for that new albummrussel1 said:
Do you think an end to end border wall only cost 5 billion?RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
what would be the point of spending 25 billion instead of 5 billion just because of symbolism? If the money isn’t what’s important, spend less and put up the wall- call it a fence if you want. After all isn’t it Pelosi who distinguishes the two as two different things?mrussel1 said:
The Democrats offered 25 billion to secure the border, just not for a wall. Why is it so difficult to understand the nuance? E-verify, more guards at the crossing stations to inspect more vehicles, drones, cameras, etc. No one is arguing against it. But the wall is a symbol, you know, I know, Trump knows it. It's ineffective but his campaign promise. Sorry, my tax dollars should not go to support his stupid mouth.RoleModelsinBlood31 said:A few democrats, before they flipped, roundly supported the same things they “object” to today. True politics, at play:
Bill Clinton, state of union 95:
“That’s why our administration has moved to aggressively secure our borders more, by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as every before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens,”
Chuck shumer, 2009:
“When we use phrases like ‘undocumented workers,’ we convey a message to the American people that their government is not serious about combating illegal immigration, which the American people overwhelmingly oppose,” Schumer said. “If you don’t think it’s illegal, you’re not going to say it. I think it is illegal and wrong and we have to change it."“People who enter the United States without our permission are illegal aliens, and illegal aliens should not be treated the same as people who entered the U.S. legally,"
Barack Obama:
“Those who enter the country illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of law and they are showing disregard for those who are following the law. We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked, and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently, and lawfully to become immigrants in this country.”
(Needless to say the senate vote for the secure fence act of 2006 passed 80-19, the vast majority wanted border security.)
Hillary Clinton:
“Well, I voted numerous times when I was a Senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in, And I do think you have to control your borders."
“We've got to do several things and I am, you know, adamantly against illegal immigrants. I made this exception basically on humanitarian grounds because of the individual story but certainly we've got to do more at our borders. And people have to stop employing illegal immigrants. Come up to Westchester, go to Suffolk and Nassau counties, stand in the street corners in Brooklyn or the Bronx - you're going to see loads of people waiting to get picked up to go do yard work and construction work and domestic work."
"As to illegal aliens, we agree with you that the comprehensive health care benefits should not be extended to those who are un-documented workers and illegal aliens. We do not want to do anything to encourage more illegal immigration into this country. We know now that too many come for medical care, as it is. We certainly don't want them to have the same benefits that American citizens are entitled to have."
Plus, if you ask me if I'd rather flush $5 down the toilet or spend $25 on a new PJ album, I think I'd rather do the latter. That's the choice here.
and no, it will cost a lot more than that- the 5 billion would help build in spots that it is most needed. Then environmental studies and others could be done and we could see how it is working/not working. That way we could either go forward with more or stop and leave it as it is
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RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
I think even trump has said that the border security wants it to be fence-like because they want to be able to see through it. Remember reading that somewhere. So it’s not like spray paint would be an issue.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:I agree that tighter border security would be in the US' best interest.
I don't think a wall is the answer. I think physical barriers are necessary at various points, but 5 billion for a big whopper? So that Mexicans can practice their spray painting techniques? Americans can yell from the other side, "Hey. Come on guys. Leave the wall alone."
Didn't existing border controls turn back the caravan? Is it supposed to take the place of border personnel? I see just as many people working as ever, plus the addition of wall maintenance people.
also, it’s not at the crossing points that the issue exists, it’s the space in between where there needs to be a wall- migrants looking to pass through illegally use the dangerous areas in between to cross often times
Don't you guys have a massive military? Isn't there any way to develop a system where they are employed along sectors of the border as they train?
The desert regions would be fantastic geographical replications of the middle east where you guys seem to like being."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Well then we’d have to spend billions on building military bases along the border. Not sure that’s the answer, I think we spend too much on our military already. Besides, that would be apocalyptic looking, I think a simple barrier makes more sense.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
I think even trump has said that the border security wants it to be fence-like because they want to be able to see through it. Remember reading that somewhere. So it’s not like spray paint would be an issue.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:I agree that tighter border security would be in the US' best interest.
I don't think a wall is the answer. I think physical barriers are necessary at various points, but 5 billion for a big whopper? So that Mexicans can practice their spray painting techniques? Americans can yell from the other side, "Hey. Come on guys. Leave the wall alone."
Didn't existing border controls turn back the caravan? Is it supposed to take the place of border personnel? I see just as many people working as ever, plus the addition of wall maintenance people.
also, it’s not at the crossing points that the issue exists, it’s the space in between where there needs to be a wall- migrants looking to pass through illegally use the dangerous areas in between to cross often times
Don't you guys have a massive military? Isn't there any way to develop a system where they are employed along sectors of the border as they train?
The desert regions would be fantastic geographical replications of the middle east where you guys seem to like being.I'm like an opening band for your mom.0 -
I'm personally fine with, and I imagine the D caucus is fine with repairing existing structure, but not new ones.RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
Well we may have a long time to wait for that new albummrussel1 said:
Do you think an end to end border wall only cost 5 billion?RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
what would be the point of spending 25 billion instead of 5 billion just because of symbolism? If the money isn’t what’s important, spend less and put up the wall- call it a fence if you want. After all isn’t it Pelosi who distinguishes the two as two different things?mrussel1 said:
The Democrats offered 25 billion to secure the border, just not for a wall. Why is it so difficult to understand the nuance? E-verify, more guards at the crossing stations to inspect more vehicles, drones, cameras, etc. No one is arguing against it. But the wall is a symbol, you know, I know, Trump knows it. It's ineffective but his campaign promise. Sorry, my tax dollars should not go to support his stupid mouth.RoleModelsinBlood31 said:A few democrats, before they flipped, roundly supported the same things they “object” to today. True politics, at play:
Bill Clinton, state of union 95:
“That’s why our administration has moved to aggressively secure our borders more, by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as every before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens,”
Chuck shumer, 2009:
“When we use phrases like ‘undocumented workers,’ we convey a message to the American people that their government is not serious about combating illegal immigration, which the American people overwhelmingly oppose,” Schumer said. “If you don’t think it’s illegal, you’re not going to say it. I think it is illegal and wrong and we have to change it."“People who enter the United States without our permission are illegal aliens, and illegal aliens should not be treated the same as people who entered the U.S. legally,"
Barack Obama:
“Those who enter the country illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of law and they are showing disregard for those who are following the law. We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked, and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently, and lawfully to become immigrants in this country.”
(Needless to say the senate vote for the secure fence act of 2006 passed 80-19, the vast majority wanted border security.)
Hillary Clinton:
“Well, I voted numerous times when I was a Senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in, And I do think you have to control your borders."
“We've got to do several things and I am, you know, adamantly against illegal immigrants. I made this exception basically on humanitarian grounds because of the individual story but certainly we've got to do more at our borders. And people have to stop employing illegal immigrants. Come up to Westchester, go to Suffolk and Nassau counties, stand in the street corners in Brooklyn or the Bronx - you're going to see loads of people waiting to get picked up to go do yard work and construction work and domestic work."
"As to illegal aliens, we agree with you that the comprehensive health care benefits should not be extended to those who are un-documented workers and illegal aliens. We do not want to do anything to encourage more illegal immigration into this country. We know now that too many come for medical care, as it is. We certainly don't want them to have the same benefits that American citizens are entitled to have."
Plus, if you ask me if I'd rather flush $5 down the toilet or spend $25 on a new PJ album, I think I'd rather do the latter. That's the choice here.
and no, it will cost a lot more than that- the 5 billion would help build in spots that it is most needed. Then environmental studies and others could be done and we could see how it is working/not working. That way we could either go forward with more or stop and leave it as it is
Trump is already sending mixed signals on the issue, which is his personal way of capitulating. I believe he will cave, but we shall see.0
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