Donald Trump

The Juggler · December 2018

Halifax2TheMax said:

The Juggler said:

Gern Blansten said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Gern Blansten said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Gern Blansten said:

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/mcclatchy-cohen-prague-cell-data

Interesting

“There was no collusion.”
”I don’t know any Russians.”
”I have nothing to hide.”
”I’ll sit down and talk to anyone.”
”We do everything by the book.”
“Only the guilty plea the fifth.”
“Very legal, very cool.”

I remember that this Prague meeting was made to seem like a big deal. Then Cohen was adamant that he had never been to Prague and produced his passport to reflect that.

If this story is true it is huge.

More things in the Steele Dossier are true rather than false. Christopher Steele is not someone to make shit up or provide information to fit a narrative. A narrative from Hillary and/or the deep state, say. Also, why has everyone in Team Trump Treason’s orbit lied about connections to Russia and/or Russians? The Steele Dossier information comes from other intelligence sources. Not too difficult for Team Mueller to corroborate nor for the FBI in their FISA filings, fruit from the poisonous tree and all. Dots are continuing to be connected and Team Mueller is following the money from Russia with Love and a PTape all the way to impeachment.

I remember that there was speculation that Steele might have assumed someone else named "Michael Cohen" that had traveled to Prague was tRump's Cohen.

If this is true it is an absolute BOMBSHELL. He was there, according to the dossier (I think), to make sure the hackers got paid.

Get 'em Bobby!

“Well, I wasn’t in Prague, I was in a little town outside of Prague, Katsjen. Big difference.”

I remember he provided his passport as evidence but you don't need your passport to get there if you are coming from Europe first...

Gern Blansten · December 2018

The Juggler said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

The Juggler said:

Gern Blansten said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Gern Blansten said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Gern Blansten said:

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/mcclatchy-cohen-prague-cell-data

Interesting

“There was no collusion.”
”I don’t know any Russians.”
”I have nothing to hide.”
”I’ll sit down and talk to anyone.”
”We do everything by the book.”
“Only the guilty plea the fifth.”
“Very legal, very cool.”

I remember that this Prague meeting was made to seem like a big deal. Then Cohen was adamant that he had never been to Prague and produced his passport to reflect that.

If this story is true it is huge.

More things in the Steele Dossier are true rather than false. Christopher Steele is not someone to make shit up or provide information to fit a narrative. A narrative from Hillary and/or the deep state, say. Also, why has everyone in Team Trump Treason’s orbit lied about connections to Russia and/or Russians? The Steele Dossier information comes from other intelligence sources. Not too difficult for Team Mueller to corroborate nor for the FBI in their FISA filings, fruit from the poisonous tree and all. Dots are continuing to be connected and Team Mueller is following the money from Russia with Love and a PTape all the way to impeachment.

I remember that there was speculation that Steele might have assumed someone else named "Michael Cohen" that had traveled to Prague was tRump's Cohen.

If this is true it is an absolute BOMBSHELL. He was there, according to the dossier (I think), to make sure the hackers got paid.

Get 'em Bobby!

“Well, I wasn’t in Prague, I was in a little town outside of Prague, Katsjen. Big difference.”

I remember he provided his passport as evidence but you don't need your passport to get there if you are coming from Europe first...

Or if you traveled under a fake passport...but that's probably not possible for those idiots, unless they got help from the Russians.

RoleModelsinBlood31 · December 2018

Trump just tweeted that he caused Pearl Jam to discontinue their annual Christmas single. Jesus Christ, trump, we knew you were to blame!!

josevolution · December 2018

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Trump just tweeted that he caused Pearl Jam to discontinue their annual Christmas single. Jesus Christ, trump, we knew you were to blame!!

No one here cares about that , we only care about the Baffoon getting what's coming to him !

dignin · December 2018

PJ still releases holiday singles?

my2hands · December 2018

cincybearcat said:

I’ll be honest - I’m a bit confused that there are some people in AMT that wanted us out of Iraq (and they were right) and Afghanistan immediately and now they are mad about trump leaving Syria? Cause the generals don’t want to? I thought those war mongering generals always wanted war?

My opinion is it seems kinda silly to just up and leave. Putting a plan in place with a specific achievable goal to be the mark to leave would make sense. Perhaps that’s what others that are against this but wanted a full pull out of other places are for as well?

I find myself about 80% or more against trump (rough estimate). It does seem like many are 100% regardless of their past positions.

Not me, i'm consistent on this one... get our folks and tax dollars the fuck out...

Bentleyspop · December 2018

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Trump just tweeted that he caused Pearl Jam to discontinue their annual Christmas single. Jesus Christ, trump, we knew you were to blame!!

Nope
Wrong again
It was Obama's fault

vaggar99 · December 2018

https://twitter.com/JeffreyGuterman/status/1078636600471535616

mrussel1 · December 2018

This shutdown is fascinating and Trump keeps upping the ante which is even worse for him in practice If he truly shuts the southern border down, it will disrupt billions in trade. Does he think the market will react positively to that?

The Democrats are going to put him in a box on day one. They will offer him the deal he had a year ago... 25 billion in border security (with stipulations that it can't be used for a wall) plus dealing with the Dreamers. Any normal humanoid would take that deal in a second, but he can't because his 35% base will be furious that brown people will become citizens and....no wall. Anne Coulter will un-follow him again. But the real kicker is that the Reuters poll that shows only 25% think we should shut the gov't over the wall. So that means the Democrats will feel no political pressure to give him the wall funding, but Trump will feel enormous pressure NOT to take the deal because if the "base" melts back into their basements, he has no constituency. Fascinating!

EdsonNascimento · December 2018

benjs said:

EdsonNascimento said:

stuckinline said:

Stock market closed the lowest in a decade.
Is America great again?

Ha ha ha. I think you either need to choose your news sources better or interpret the actual facts better.

we are still above 22,000. It was at 18,000 when Trump was elected (over 22% growth in 2 years! I think I will take that). And well below 10,000 10 years ago. My 401 (K) is just fine, thank you.

a year end drop after a significant 2 year bull run In a favorable tax year with Democrats about to control House for profit taking is not only highly likely but expected. Especially considering the consistent fed rate hikes (not saying I’m against them other than for personal reasons. We do not want to return to the Jimmy Carter amazingly stupid stagflation)

im not going to tell you what you’re misinterpreting. You’d be better served figuring that out yourself.

Trump was elected January 20 2017 (DJI @ $19,827.25) and inherited consistently strong growth from his predecessor. Today (23 months later) = $22,445.37
Your initial number was wrong, and the growth is 13.2% and showing signs of that growth diminishing and Y/Y drifting negatively as of late.

Obama was elected January 20 2009 ($7,949.09). 23 months later = $11,478.13
That’s 44.4% growth and trending upwards, while having inherited an initial mess existing for the prior 1.5Y.

If you’d like to take financial trend data like DJI in isolation and use it as a success metric, then I’m sure you’ll readily admit how much volatility Trump’s presidency has added to the market in his first two-ish years compared to his predecessor. Or you’ll have your cake and eat it too, by coming up with an asinine cherry-picked reason that this is a valid success metric for one President but not another. That’s more what I’m counting on.

For those well versed in market performance, is this metric (2Y DJI performance) something fair to judge any president on regardless? To my rookie mind, this seems like trying to link rainfall in Peru with winds in Southeast Asia. Yes, since it’s a system it’s related, but there are influences everywhere and claiming direct and meaningful causality seems like a stretch. Would love to learn from anyone who can shed insight one way or another.

We do not elect our Presidents in January. My numbers were correct.

EdsonNascimento · December 2018

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

EdsonNascimento said:

mcgruff10 said:

One of few tweets I do agree with. When he took office people thought world war 3 was right around the corner, yet he is ending American involvement in Syria, reducing troops in Afghanistan and while in the past , did meet with North Korea.

Right. He is actually exposing A lot of hypocrisy.

Except ISIS isn’t defeated. Are you guys really that gullible?

I’d prefer we keep troops there and cut immigration funding. So we agree?

What constitutes immigration funding? Either way, that isn't what's being debated. The question is why is Trump pulling back so hastily without any apparent exit strategy and no support for our Kurdish allies. Help me out and explain the strategy because no one has yet to my knowledge.

Im debating it. If you don’t want to that’s fine. I am saying I would prefer to spend our money on keeping troops in Syria to protect our International interests than needing to spend more on people pouring over our borders illegally. How would you like to spend our finite resources? That’s the debate I’m suggesting. What debate are you having?

No one in government is debating it, so it's pointless. You're trying to create a whole different thread of argument when Trump has not said the pullout had anything to do with border defense or budgetary concerns. You've created a false choice that no one is discussing that I've seen.

So nobody in congress is considering these choices? Vote them all out. You’re dealing with media reports. Any financial choice should consider alternatives. If they’re not that’s the real problem. We have finite resources. Let’s choose where we want to spend them. You want less spending? Pulling out of Syria is a very good option. Is it the one you want? If not, then where? Please. I’d like to hear where you’d like to spend our money and where you don’t. Please engage. Thank you.

Cut entitlements and defense. Done.

Open a thread, glad to discuss the budget, but not in context of pulling out of Syria and how that makes not a sliver of a change in our debt position. It not been mentioned by trump or any representative as the defense or even a major calculus in the decision, that I've seen. Im not "dealing with media reports", no one is suppressing their voice on the issue.

Reducing troop counts in a given area doesn't potentially reduce budget?

EdsonNascimento · December 2018

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

stuckinline said:

Stock market closed the lowest in a decade.
Is America great again?

Ha ha ha. I think you either need to choose your news sources better or interpret the actual facts better.

we are still above 22,000. It was at 18,000 when Trump was elected (over 22% growth in 2 years! I think I will take that). And well below 10,000 10 years ago. My 401 (K) is just fine, thank you.

a year end drop after a significant 2 year bull run In a favorable tax year with Democrats about to control House for profit taking is not only highly likely but expected. Especially considering the consistent fed rate hikes (not saying I’m against them other than for personal reasons. We do not want to return to the Jimmy Carter amazingly stupid stagflation)

im not going to tell you what you’re misinterpreting. You’d be better served figuring that out yourself.

Two year bull run... are you fucking daft? Did you sit the first 7 years of it to show Obama who is boss?

Lol. I didn’t say that either. The last 2 years gains before the drop (which I’m not ignoring just putting in proper perspective) out paced the prior. But yeah, good times all around. This was an extreme bull market the last 2 years. But wasn’t ignoring that it had been gaining since the last recession. I enjoyed that too. Thanks.

now can you remind me what Obama’s prison reform accomplishment was? I have forgotten that, too.

How do you call something a two year gain when the entire 2018 increase has been wiped out, in fact the year started at 25 and we are at 22 It's a one year gain, 2017 only.

Well, before the drop it was a 2 year gain. So, yes the drop eliminated the current year gain. I will bet you a dollar the new year will see a surge before Independence Day.   Current year tax favorability with a new congressional unknown leads to profit taking. It’s really not all that complicated.

This isn't profit taking. The drop is much too precipitous for the answer to be that simple. It is time for a correction under normal conditions, but Trump's trade policies, which creates instability, has exacerbated any normal drop. This scale of the last six months is completely his fault.

And if he fires the fed chair, knock off another 10% easy.

I'll take your bet that on July 4th the Dow will not be 25.

It is huge profit taking 😉.

whos saying 25? I would take 23. How about 23,5 and I will legit bet either a beer at next show or a bootleg.

Were there some desperate investors today that needed extra cash for last minute amazon shopping? You sticking with the profit taking argument? Does the treasury secretary usually check in on liquidity and release statements when investors see profit taking?

Are you still tracking the stock market?

EdsonNascimento · December 2018

Halifax2TheMax said:

Stock market has Worst Christmas Eve ever. Ever. Thanks Team Team Trump Treason. You’ve made history.

And had the best Boxing Day EVER. EVER. EVER. Where were you the day AFTER Christmas? I expected this report to come from you.

Except we're both wrong b/c those headlines are based on raw numbers and not %ages which is what your investments are based on.

Don't get lost in your desire for failure.

The Juggler · December 2018

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

stuckinline said:

Stock market closed the lowest in a decade.
Is America great again?

Ha ha ha. I think you either need to choose your news sources better or interpret the actual facts better.

we are still above 22,000. It was at 18,000 when Trump was elected (over 22% growth in 2 years! I think I will take that). And well below 10,000 10 years ago. My 401 (K) is just fine, thank you.

a year end drop after a significant 2 year bull run In a favorable tax year with Democrats about to control House for profit taking is not only highly likely but expected. Especially considering the consistent fed rate hikes (not saying I’m against them other than for personal reasons. We do not want to return to the Jimmy Carter amazingly stupid stagflation)

im not going to tell you what you’re misinterpreting. You’d be better served figuring that out yourself.

Two year bull run... are you fucking daft? Did you sit the first 7 years of it to show Obama who is boss?

Lol. I didn’t say that either. The last 2 years gains before the drop (which I’m not ignoring just putting in proper perspective) out paced the prior. But yeah, good times all around. This was an extreme bull market the last 2 years. But wasn’t ignoring that it had been gaining since the last recession. I enjoyed that too. Thanks.

now can you remind me what Obama’s prison reform accomplishment was? I have forgotten that, too.

How do you call something a two year gain when the entire 2018 increase has been wiped out, in fact the year started at 25 and we are at 22 It's a one year gain, 2017 only.

Well, before the drop it was a 2 year gain. So, yes the drop eliminated the current year gain. I will bet you a dollar the new year will see a surge before Independence Day.   Current year tax favorability with a new congressional unknown leads to profit taking. It’s really not all that complicated.

This isn't profit taking. The drop is much too precipitous for the answer to be that simple. It is time for a correction under normal conditions, but Trump's trade policies, which creates instability, has exacerbated any normal drop. This scale of the last six months is completely his fault.

And if he fires the fed chair, knock off another 10% easy.

I'll take your bet that on July 4th the Dow will not be 25.

It is huge profit taking 😉.

whos saying 25? I would take 23. How about 23,5 and I will legit bet either a beer at next show or a bootleg.

Were there some desperate investors today that needed extra cash for last minute amazon shopping? You sticking with the profit taking argument? Does the treasury secretary usually check in on liquidity and release statements when investors see profit taking?

Are you still tracking the stock market?

Are you? You think uncertainty is good? You think one of the worst December's since the Great Depression is good?

Take your head out of the sand, fella.

The Juggler · December 2018

vaggar99 said:

https://twitter.com/JeffreyGuterman/status/1078636600471535616

What in sam's hell is this?

Thirty Bills Unpaid · December 2018

The Juggler said:

vaggar99 said:

https://twitter.com/JeffreyGuterman/status/1078636600471535616

What in sam's hell is this?

I assumed it was a story recounted by a mushroom picker.

mrussel1 · December 2018

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

stuckinline said:

Stock market closed the lowest in a decade.
Is America great again?

Ha ha ha. I think you either need to choose your news sources better or interpret the actual facts better.

we are still above 22,000. It was at 18,000 when Trump was elected (over 22% growth in 2 years! I think I will take that). And well below 10,000 10 years ago. My 401 (K) is just fine, thank you.

a year end drop after a significant 2 year bull run In a favorable tax year with Democrats about to control House for profit taking is not only highly likely but expected. Especially considering the consistent fed rate hikes (not saying I’m against them other than for personal reasons. We do not want to return to the Jimmy Carter amazingly stupid stagflation)

im not going to tell you what you’re misinterpreting. You’d be better served figuring that out yourself.

Two year bull run... are you fucking daft? Did you sit the first 7 years of it to show Obama who is boss?

Lol. I didn’t say that either. The last 2 years gains before the drop (which I’m not ignoring just putting in proper perspective) out paced the prior. But yeah, good times all around. This was an extreme bull market the last 2 years. But wasn’t ignoring that it had been gaining since the last recession. I enjoyed that too. Thanks.

now can you remind me what Obama’s prison reform accomplishment was? I have forgotten that, too.

How do you call something a two year gain when the entire 2018 increase has been wiped out, in fact the year started at 25 and we are at 22 It's a one year gain, 2017 only.

Well, before the drop it was a 2 year gain. So, yes the drop eliminated the current year gain. I will bet you a dollar the new year will see a surge before Independence Day.   Current year tax favorability with a new congressional unknown leads to profit taking. It’s really not all that complicated.

This isn't profit taking. The drop is much too precipitous for the answer to be that simple. It is time for a correction under normal conditions, but Trump's trade policies, which creates instability, has exacerbated any normal drop. This scale of the last six months is completely his fault.

And if he fires the fed chair, knock off another 10% easy.

I'll take your bet that on July 4th the Dow will not be 25.

It is huge profit taking 😉.

whos saying 25? I would take 23. How about 23,5 and I will legit bet either a beer at next show or a bootleg.

Were there some desperate investors today that needed extra cash for last minute amazon shopping? You sticking with the profit taking argument? Does the treasury secretary usually check in on liquidity and release statements when investors see profit taking?

Are you still tracking the stock market?

Yeah, are they profit taking by buying on Boxing day? Get your story straight. The reality is that there is massive uncertainty in the market driven by Trump and now by Mnuchin dipshit press release. Is he getting stupider by working for Trump? Probably. And if you think the markets will react positively by Trump closing the border to trade, you've lost your damn mind. Will probably drop 10% more if the market thinks it's long term.

mrussel1 · December 2018

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

EdsonNascimento said:

mcgruff10 said:

One of few tweets I do agree with. When he took office people thought world war 3 was right around the corner, yet he is ending American involvement in Syria, reducing troops in Afghanistan and while in the past , did meet with North Korea.

Right. He is actually exposing A lot of hypocrisy.

Except ISIS isn’t defeated. Are you guys really that gullible?

I’d prefer we keep troops there and cut immigration funding. So we agree?

What constitutes immigration funding? Either way, that isn't what's being debated. The question is why is Trump pulling back so hastily without any apparent exit strategy and no support for our Kurdish allies. Help me out and explain the strategy because no one has yet to my knowledge.

Im debating it. If you don’t want to that’s fine. I am saying I would prefer to spend our money on keeping troops in Syria to protect our International interests than needing to spend more on people pouring over our borders illegally. How would you like to spend our finite resources? That’s the debate I’m suggesting. What debate are you having?

No one in government is debating it, so it's pointless. You're trying to create a whole different thread of argument when Trump has not said the pullout had anything to do with border defense or budgetary concerns. You've created a false choice that no one is discussing that I've seen.

So nobody in congress is considering these choices? Vote them all out. You’re dealing with media reports. Any financial choice should consider alternatives. If they’re not that’s the real problem. We have finite resources. Let’s choose where we want to spend them. You want less spending? Pulling out of Syria is a very good option. Is it the one you want? If not, then where? Please. I’d like to hear where you’d like to spend our money and where you don’t. Please engage. Thank you.

Cut entitlements and defense. Done.

Open a thread, glad to discuss the budget, but not in context of pulling out of Syria and how that makes not a sliver of a change in our debt position. It not been mentioned by trump or any representative as the defense or even a major calculus in the decision, that I've seen. Im not "dealing with media reports", no one is suppressing their voice on the issue.

Reducing troop counts in a given area doesn't potentially reduce budget?

Shall I define 'material' for you? My point stands. If this was a budget move, why hasn't Trump said it? Is the money saved on 2k deployed troops going back to Congress for reallocation? Your spin is weak because the argument is weak.

tbergs · December 2018

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The Juggler said:

vaggar99 said:

https://twitter.com/JeffreyGuterman/status/1078636600471535616

What in sam's hell is this?

I assumed it was a story recounted by a mushroom picker.

:rofl:
(Damn quote)

Bentleyspop · December 2018

Conan gets it....

https://twitter.com/ConanOBrien/status/1078744939192815617?s=19

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