Knowing What You Know Now, Would You Still Support Trump for President?
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Do people still think trump is outside the (republican) status quo?Ledbetterman10 said:Fair enough. And frankly, your talk about political dynasties and democrat polices is what actually had me ready to vote for the republican for the first time in my voting life. Jeb, and maybe even Cruz, might have gotten my vote. But not Trump. Couldn't bring myself to do it. I'd take the status quo over complete chaos.
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I do just based on the fact that Trump doesn't give a crap about the constitution and the Republican status quo has always been that the constitution is gospel. Also, the republicans have always been for smaller federal government and giving power to the states. Trump on the other hand wants to be a dictator.Go Beavers said:
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That’s the thing though, republicans acting like they’re pro-constitution and pro smaller government was always bullshit. The upside of trump is that this truth about republicans has been revealed. If they don’t rebrand, it will be the end of the party. The kids are on to it.Ledbetterman10 said:I do just based on the fact that Trump doesn't give a crap about the constitution and the Republican status quo has always been that the constitution is gospel. Also, the republicans have always been for smaller federal government and giving power to the states. Trump on the other hand wants to be a dictator.0 -
I'm still on the fence of whether he is just ignorant of how things work or if he is just that power hungry and honestly believes he can get away with anything he wants.Ledbetterman10 said:I do just based on the fact that Trump doesn't give a crap about the constitution and the Republican status quo has always been that the constitution is gospel. Also, the republicans have always been for smaller federal government and giving power to the states. Trump on the other hand wants to be a dictator.
it might be a bit of both.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
I think it's both, plus a little "never really had to follow rules or answer to anyone before." The upcoming Democratic House will be the first check there's ever been to his authority.HughFreakingDillon said:I'm still on the fence of whether he is just ignorant of how things work or if he is just that power hungry and honestly believes he can get away with anything he wants.
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this really could work out to be a win for him, to be honest. he can just blame nothing getting done on the Democrats blocking everything he wants to do, riling up and angering his base.OnWis97 said:I think it's both, plus a little "never really had to follow rules or answer to anyone before." The upcoming Democratic House will be the first check there's ever been to his authority.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Hell, he already does sometimes with the current impotent Democratic Party.HughFreakingDillon said:this really could work out to be a win for him, to be honest. he can just blame nothing getting done on the Democrats blocking everything he wants to do, riling up and angering his base.1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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I know. this is his get out of jail free card.OnWis97 said:Hell, he already does sometimes with the current impotent Democratic Party.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
The base is already riled and angry. I wouldn't worry too much about it.HughFreakingDillon said:this really could work out to be a win for him, to be honest. he can just blame nothing getting done on the Democrats blocking everything he wants to do, riling up and angering his base.0 -
I'm not worried. I'm largely tuning out of this shitshow at this point, at least compared to 2 years ago.dignin said:The base is already riled and angry. I wouldn't worry too much about it.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
That’s a dumpster fire shit show.HughFreakingDillon said:I'm not worried. I'm largely tuning out of this shitshow at this point, at least compared to 2 years ago.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Oh absolutely. He’s already blamed the stock market decline on them.HughFreakingDillon said:this really could work out to be a win for him, to be honest. he can just blame nothing getting done on the Democrats blocking everything he wants to do, riling up and angering his base.www.myspace.com0 -
I know plenty of people without a formal education that are extremely smart. Especially in actual life activities. So I’d be careful making the leap from “uneducated” (which is indeed a cutdown as it’s not really true) to not smart.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
So you think some of 'em have their feelings hurt and would vote against McDonald if smart people were nicer to them or accepted their views on race?hippiemom = goodness0 -
cincybearcat said:I know plenty of people without a formal education that are extremely smart. Especially in actual life activities. So I’d be careful making the leap from “uneducated” (which is indeed a cutdown as it’s not really true) to not smart.
My father is one of the smartest men I know and has a grade 7 education. He's also smart enough to know a fraud when he sees one: he thinks Donald Trump (lol) is a f**king idiot.
You don't have to be smart to understand Donald Trump is a f**king idiot. You just have to be a little brighter than a gnat. Even the racist bastards who stand behind he guy realize he's a f**king idiot- they're just morally bankrupt and would stand behind Satan if he did their bidding."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
"I know it’s not a precise analogy, but during the Trump administration, I’ve returned several times to a psychological study called “When Prophecy Fails,” about how members of a millenarian U.F.O. cult reacted when no extraterrestrial saviors appeared. Most redoubled their commitment to spreading the cult’s message, as if needing others to confirm their challenged faith. Most, but not all.Many MAGA hat-wearers will probably go to their graves insisting that Trump is an agent of American redemption. But as the economy shows signs of cooling and Republicans realize, with a panic, that driving white suburban women away from their party was a bad idea, I wonder if some are finding it harder to choke back their doubts. They might have thought they were Trump’s allies, or his constituents. They’ve only ever been his marks."
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So what do we call the “smart” people that still support Team Trump Treason? Moredeplorables? They’re smart enough to know better so what is it that motivates them and holds them steadfast in their support? Racism? Anti immigrant/other? Owning libs? Climate change deniability? The deplorables are too dumb to know better so they get a pass. But educated, repub elitists? What’s their excuse?Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
My father is one of the smartest men I know and has a grade 7 education. He's also smart enough to know a fraud when he sees one: he thinks Donald Trump (lol) is a f**king idiot.
You don't have to be smart to understand Donald Trump is a f**king idiot. You just have to be a little brighter than a gnat. Even the racist bastards who stand behind he guy realize he's a f**king idiot- they're just morally bankrupt and would stand behind Satan if he did their bidding.
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We call them traitors, and they should be dealt with accordinglyHalifax2TheMax said:So what do we call the “smart” people that still support Team Trump Treason? Moredeplorables? They’re smart enough to know better so what is it that motivates them and holds them steadfast in their support? Racism? Anti immigrant/other? Owning libs? Climate change deniability? The deplorables are too dumb to know better so they get a pass. But educated, repub elitists? What’s their excuse?
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Halifax2TheMax said:So what do we call the “smart” people that still support Team Trump Treason? Moredeplorables? They’re smart enough to know better so what is it that motivates them and holds them steadfast in their support? Racism? Anti immigrant/other? Owning libs? Climate change deniability? The deplorables are too dumb to know better so they get a pass. But educated, repub elitists? What’s their excuse?
I've been saying it all along (as I'm sure you are aware)... there is simply no excuse. Bored with the old regime doesn't cut it.
Processes aside, devout republicans should have been pissed that Donald Trump was placed on their plate. As crappy as Hillary might have been... the election results should have demonstrated a message to the GOP that the party faithful demands and deserves something with more integrity.
I mean... Donald F**king Trump? Get f**king serious here.
They sold out. Pathetically.
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CM189191 said:"I know it’s not a precise analogy, but during the Trump administration, I’ve returned several times to a psychological study called “When Prophecy Fails,” about how members of a millenarian U.F.O. cult reacted when no extraterrestrial saviors appeared. Most redoubled their commitment to spreading the cult’s message, as if needing others to confirm their challenged faith. Most, but not all.Many MAGA hat-wearers will probably go to their graves insisting that Trump is an agent of American redemption. But as the economy shows signs of cooling and Republicans realize, with a panic, that driving white suburban women away from their party was a bad idea, I wonder if some are finding it harder to choke back their doubts. They might have thought they were Trump’s allies, or his constituents. They’ve only ever been his marks."
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/19/opinion/trump-administration-businesses-democrats-midterms.html
With their dignity in jeopardy, they double down on their failure-reinvigorated with the faint hope that just maybe they weren't."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Careful...that's what the base says about anyone who dares challenge Trump and in the second term, they may actually be dealt with accordingly. We are not "dealing with them accordingly." That would be as un-American as the shit they support.CM189191 said:We call them traitors, and they should be dealt with accordingly1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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