Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez
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Care to quote any of those naive things in full context? Or link to public statements in their entirety?EdsonNascimento said:
Because of the number of naive things she’s already said in her short time in the public eye. It’s a fair assumption of her based on that.oftenreading said:
Why do you assume she has no idea why? Why would you assume that other people don’t understand their own motivations?EdsonNascimento said:
Do you know that the OMB is? And I find what you think hilarious. I would assume she wants Amazon out but has no idea why.Hi! said:Bentleyspop said:Looks like she has a sense of humor and a bullshit detector...
Lol, I love her.
Just curious if she is actively trying to keep Amazon out of New York, which I dont think she is, or just voicing concerns of her constituents? Did she say she didnt want them in NY? Nothing ive seen says she has.
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Just pay for it. (When talking a bout the magic dollars that will appear to pay for healthcare).Halifax2TheMax said:
Care to quote any of those naive things in full context? Or link to public statements in their entirety?EdsonNascimento said:
Because of the number of naive things she’s already said in her short time in the public eye. It’s a fair assumption of her based on that.oftenreading said:
Why do you assume she has no idea why? Why would you assume that other people don’t understand their own motivations?EdsonNascimento said:
Do you know that the OMB is? And I find what you think hilarious. I would assume she wants Amazon out but has no idea why.Hi! said:Bentleyspop said:Looks like she has a sense of humor and a bullshit detector...
Lol, I love her.
Just curious if she is actively trying to keep Amazon out of New York, which I dont think she is, or just voicing concerns of her constituents? Did she say she didnt want them in NY? Nothing ive seen says she has.
I can’t afford first and last months rent (moving to a new place and taking a rather high paying job). - it’s her revelation that this seems to be unique to people trying to run for Congress. The only thing unique about it is the $174,000 annual salary that most people don’t get in one of their first jobs.
those are fairly well known, so I’m not bothering linking to anything.
I ask again - do you think she knows what the OMB is and how it factors into any spending bills?Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.0 -
Neither of those examples are accurate to their context or what she actually said.EdsonNascimento said:
Just pay for it. (When talking a bout the magic dollars that will appear to pay for healthcare).Halifax2TheMax said:
Care to quote any of those naive things in full context? Or link to public statements in their entirety?EdsonNascimento said:
Because of the number of naive things she’s already said in her short time in the public eye. It’s a fair assumption of her based on that.oftenreading said:
Why do you assume she has no idea why? Why would you assume that other people don’t understand their own motivations?EdsonNascimento said:
Do you know that the OMB is? And I find what you think hilarious. I would assume she wants Amazon out but has no idea why.Hi! said:Bentleyspop said:Looks like she has a sense of humor and a bullshit detector...
Lol, I love her.
Just curious if she is actively trying to keep Amazon out of New York, which I dont think she is, or just voicing concerns of her constituents? Did she say she didnt want them in NY? Nothing ive seen says she has.
I can’t afford first and last months rent (moving to a new place and taking a rather high paying job). - it’s her revelation that this seems to be unique to people trying to run for Congress. The only thing unique about it is the $174,000 annual salary that most people don’t get in one of their first jobs.
those are fairly well known, so I’m not bothering linking to anything.
I ask again - do you think she knows what the OMB is and how it factors into any spending bills?
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Are you aware that the life expectancy of those with CF is ten years longer in Canada compared to the US?EdsonNascimento said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Or had to drink water in Flint. Or live next to a superfund site. And to not consider “social” policies as a means of placing less burden on an overburdened health care system is ignorant. And wouldn’t Sweden then have a prevalence of cystic fibrosis burdening their health care system, being as homogeneous as you claim @e@EdsonNascimento?PJ_Soul said:No, Canadians do not go to the US for quality - that is not what's happening. You obviously don't believe me, but that's just you being willfully ignorant and admittedly making up your own facts out of uninformed assumptions.Again, you clearly couldn't care less about the people in your own country, unless they impact you directly... I have to assume you haven't yet had a loved go bankrupt because they got cancer, or lose their rental because their rent had to go to an unexpected medical expense, or die because they couldn't afford treatment for something their insurer refused to cover.According to the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation Patient Registry, in the United States:
- More than 30,000 people are living with cystic fibrosis (more than 70,000 worldwide).
- Approximately 1,000 new cases of CF are diagnosed each year.
- More than 75 percent of people with CF are diagnosed by age 2.
- More than half of the CF population is age 18 or older.
Are the other 40,000 all in Sweden?
And, yes - Flint and the like need to be fixed. Of course, social policy needs to be addressed. That was my earlier point about education, etc. We need to stop looking at solving the healthcare system by throwing money DIRECTLY at it. We need to fix the underlying causes. Some, like you mention can and should be addressed.
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Too many words.PJ_Soul said:cincybearcat said:
My joke was the origjnal comment about you agreeing US has the best doctors.PJ_Soul said:
Well everyone who knows me knows that's not true, so maybe it's your sense of humour that's the problem? Or at least how you type it out? Because if you think there was supposed to be a joke in there somewhere, then you're doing something wrong, lol.cincybearcat said:
You literally have no sense of humor unless it’s spelled out for you.PJ_Soul said:cincybearcat said:
It’s a motivating factor for sure, not the only one. It’s sad what a condescending person you have become.PJ_Soul said:cincybearcat said:
I’m assuming that the best doctors are human beings.PJ_Soul said:
You're assuming that the greediest doctors are all the best doctors. That isn't the case, lol.cincybearcat said:
Piss away.PJ_Soul said:
Nope, that isn't what I said. Is that really how you interpreted it, or are you just being bratty? I said that certain rare specialists are poached so very specialized treatments or surgeries, and doctors doing them, are often there instead of elsewhere. I did NOT say that the US has better doctors in general, and that is not true at all. Canadians actually get BETTER outcomes in their own healthcare system than Americans do. The US actually has the highest rate of deaths amenable to healthcare in the entire G7, and it spend more per capita for that as well. When you look at actual facts and statistics, you discover that the US has an inferior healthcare system compared to not only Canada, but also compared to the UK, Japan, Germany, Sweden, the Netherlands, Australia, France... PLUS Americans are getting financially raped in the process. And no, I'm not trying to have a pissing contest with you. I'm saying all this because I'm simply horrified by the system that Americans are subjected to because they deserve so much better. So I HATE that these complete lies about the superiority of this disgusting for profit system are being drilled into the minds of Americans. It really is brainwashing, and people are literally dying for it. And losing their homes and going bankrupt. Just because they get sick. And they spending SO much hard earned money to pay for shitty insurance plans made by companies who profit from withholding care as much as possible. Not to mention their lobbyists. It's just fucking sick, and everyone responsible for propagating such a system should be thrown in jail IMO. I hope someday Americans riot in the streets until their human rights are respected via their healthcare system.cincybearcat said:So we are in agreement than that the US has the best doctors!
Nice chart. Free is better then best for candians. Can’t say I’d blame them.
Its pretty obviously that if Us pays more they will attract the best doctors. That’s just simple economics/math.
i never said the system was better.
Tell me - do you like to make a good salary?Many great doctors are completely repulsed by the American system and wouldn't work there for any amount of money. I think you forgot for a second that money isn't everything for all people.I personally make a much lower salary than I could because I've chosen the public sector. I left the corporate sector and better pay because I felt rather disgusted by how everyone was motivated by the bottom line alone, and by the greed and competitiveness. Sorry, but your belief that everyone thinks money is the most important thing is completely false. That's sad you think that.Lol, oh please.Obviously everyone on the face of the planet knows that money is a motivating factor. You drew a conclusion beyond that IMO. You assumed all the best doctors will be where they get paid the most. That is not true.
of of course I know you don’t agree with thatJoke? I took that as sarcasm, not a joke, and your second comment really wiped out any levity one might have read into the first (that obviously I saw, which is why I asked you if you were just being bratty). Hey dude, don't blame me when your crappy joke went over like a lead brick.
And if you haven't gathered, I'm pretty damned serious on this topic. I'm horrified by the American healthcare system (again, still acknowledging there are good doctors and other workers trying their best). With the gap between rich and poor getting bigger and bigger, and the growing employed poor, I sincerely worry for a lot of Americans if this system doesn't change. That is why I have such a negative reaction to people who pump up that system by passing around lies and misinformation about universal systems. It's definitely not a joking matter IMO. Especially not since even some Canadians who are more willing to believe whatever they hear or read get sucked in by it, get into the 'the grass is always greener' mindset, and that leads to obvious issues in my own country, and I am, of course, fiercely protective of our own healthcare system, as are many Canadians. That is yet another symptom of living right next door to the USA. And another example of why we are so concerned about what goes on down there.Some of our worst politicians look at the US as a kind of demonstration of what they might be able to pull of here. This issue comes into that as well for them. It's not a laughing matter.hippiemom = goodness0 -
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Fair enough. But, if she's paying out of pocket, how is that the insurance industry's fault?PJ_Soul said:BTW, my rich sister goes to the US for healthcare sometimes. Know why? Because she a complete hypochondriac. She goes there when the doctors at the exclusive private clinics here (where they are closely regulated) won't humour her disorder anymore. She never has trouble finding some quack in the USA who charges thousands and thousands of dollars to perform quack procedures that make no fucking sense - she'd get as much benefit out of going to one of those people obsessed with the power of crystals. But because of the strength of lack of regulation in the for-profit healthcare industry in the US, people like my hypochondriac sister go down, have a spa day, and let some asshole doctor who puts money before morals tell them what they want to hear. That is the kind of crap that a for-profit healthcare industry creates (not that I don't know that there are many amazing, caring doctors down there too btw. Of course there are. Again, I say this with a desire for the American healthcare system to be great, not to just hate on it. But with fools pretending a broken system is a great system, that will never happen).
And there's a lack of regulation on the healthcare industry? Lol. Wow. We have whole departments in the Government that all they do is regulate and dictate (which adds cost to the system). Too funny. The Managed Care companies are the ones monitoring quality of doctors because that's how they make money. They get rid of doctors that have poor outcomes because you know what? An improperly treated diabetic costs a hell of a lot more than a properly treated one. Profit is a good motivation. Your understanding of US healthcare companies is so whacked that it's funny.
So, if a company denies an A1C blood test for a diabetic patient (or a visit where one would be done) the cost to the healthcare system is potentially crazy (and obviously the cost to the patient is their health) with very little cost advantage by avoiding the visit or the test (relatively speaking). Do you know who does a better job of ensuring that diabetic patients get these tests timely? Managed care companies!!! Why? Because losses (to put it in those terms since those are the ones you understand) are exorbitant for an amputation. What does the Canadian gov't do to ensure they get there? do they proactively provide transportation to the Endocrinologist? The US and State Governments don't where they are the direct payers. Managed Care companies do. So, even if you think these companies are evil profit takers - they are providing the better care - why does it matter for what reason? Why is reaping the reward (while lowering overall cost to the system) a bad thing?
Nobody said the US system is perfect. Not sure where you got that from. All I'm saying is government run is not the solution.
The US has worse outcomes in diabetes care than Canada as well, including a higher rate of amputations due to diabetic complications.
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EdsonNascimento said:What's the rate of Sickle Cell Anemia in Canada vs. the US? What is the cause of this? The poor healthcare system or the demographics? If you had this disease and it's treated does it cost more or less money than not having the disease as prevalent in your overall population? You see? The Humans Rights Violation is much more inclusive than our snow white sisters to the North.
I am not picking on one disease or race. This is just one example of MANY. What makes the US great is it's inclusiveness. That does have a downstream effect on the healthcare system (And other things) that does not reflect negatively on the system at all (and quite the contrary) It's fairly easy to treat a mostly homogeneous population (Canada is 86% European/White). I am just pointing out that you must go deeper than spending per person, death rates and such to properly analyze the difference in health care systems and their relative burdens.
I wonder if you're aware that a Canadian doctor has pioneered a procedure to cure sickle cell anemia by stem cell transplants. Yup, it's a curative procedure.
Aside from your question about the rate of sickle cell disease, I can't make heads nor tails of your argument here. It seems to keep coming back to the "but the USA is so much more diverse" argument, which is simply a distraction.
Edit - forgot initially to also say that your figure of 86% white is incorrect - 2016 census shows 72.9% white. The percentage in the US varies depending on whether Hispanic people are counted or not; if so, 77% white, if not, 62% white.Post edited by oftenreading onmy small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
How do you pay for a life saving medical procedure without health insurance? I don’t know, you just pay for it.
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It’s fucking ridiculous the woman hasn’t even been sworn in yet and already people have forged an opinion as if they had her whole body of work before them ...Spiritual_Chaos said:jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
Repubs are very afraid of capable women. And invasions of unarmed women and children. Very afraid.josevolution said:
It’s fucking ridiculous the woman hasn’t even been sworn in yet and already people have forged an opinion as if they had her whole body of work before them ...Spiritual_Chaos said:09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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It’s unreal how the conservative men in this country are really afraid of woHalifax2TheMax said:
Repubs are very afraid of capable women. And invasions of unarmed women and children. Very afraid.josevolution said:
It’s fucking ridiculous the woman hasn’t even been sworn in yet and already people have forged an opinion as if they had her whole body of work before them ...Spiritual_Chaos said:jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
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I remember Sarah Palin being attacked for new wardrobe too.
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I was attacked once in the fall of 2006 by a friends girlfriend for wearing my Avocado tour tshirt two weekends in a row.tempo_n_groove said:I remember Sarah Palin being attacked for new wardrobe too.
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That was warranted though, c'mon man, ya gotta mix it up.Spiritual_Chaos said:
I was attacked once in the fall of 2006 by a friends girlfriend for wearing my Avocado tour tshirt two weekends in a row.tempo_n_groove said:I remember Sarah Palin being attacked for new wardrobe too.
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It wasn't about the wardrobe besides the cost of it being spent. She was initially not on board with it, but became accustomed to it and then lied about things associated with it. I don't think this is anything like the Palin situation unless Alexandra took money from her constituents and spent over $100,000 on clothes recently.tempo_n_groove said:I remember Sarah Palin being attacked for new wardrobe too.
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Intelligent women in power positionsjosevolution said:Women in power positions..0 -
Same thing. Both took money to upgrade their wardrobe. Who cares.tbergs said:
It wasn't about the wardrobe besides the cost of it being spent. She was initially not on board with it, but became accustomed to it and then lied about things associated with it. I don't think this is anything like the Palin situation unless Alexandra took money from her constituents and spent over $100,000 on clothes recently.tempo_n_groove said:I remember Sarah Palin being attacked for new wardrobe too.
I never understood attacking someone for wanting to dress to impress?
Same thing with Michele Obama.
Who gives a shit...
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